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The N800 and N810 have the same size screen.

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I hate to disappoint you, but N800 and N810 appear to have exactly the same screen size:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2242/...c94647c8d8.jpg

Re: N900 specs revealed
 

Which goes to show that maybe people will not notice the difference in the N900 and N800 / N810 screen either :D

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Were you just kidding with that post - I don't believe that you REALLY thought they were different sizes ?

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if any of you have used the palm pre..u wudnt notice its .3 inches smaller than the iphone coz of the way the space is utilized so well.

I think its the same thing here...

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Yeah, I was afraid that was the case :) Well, it feels bigger.

Re: Emergency Calls?
 

Why is this not being picked up more? I mean, if this is true (I haven't looked at the SDK for this) then I would of thought Engadget and the likes would be all over the fact that Nokia are bringing out a Linux based phone! Unless of course the disclaimer is aimed at people who use Skype and the likes to make emergency calls? Kind of a big confirmation of what we are going to see?

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I can confirm this message, never had the curiosity of click on that button, probably I was afraid of destroy my SDK installation :p

Re: N900 specs revealed
 

Not exactly. The N800 screen is a TINY bit larger. But the difference may appear greater than it actually is.

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Perhaps this is a home applet that shows to which operator you are connected, and not some branding/advertising application as everyone here seems to assume?

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I actually was a bit shocked that nobody has commented on that message before, too. To me, it is a dead giveaway and it must have been in the wild long before the leaked Rover specs.

I'm also surprised my discovery didn't make a bigger splash on tmo. Perhaps everyone is sure that we have a phone already, or maybe I should have chosen a less high-traffic thread, or maybe I should have started a new thread? I can still do that... Should I?

I don't think it has anything to do with Skype or other VoIP services; VoIP providers usually give disclaimers about not providing emergency call (ie 9-1-1) capability.

I clicked on it... It just asks you for your "lock code" (and gives you a big touchscreen numeric keypad) and I have no idea what that code is.

I'm guessing it is a connection status widget. The fact it starts with "connui" tells me that it is directly tied to the connection manager, and I think it tells you stuff like provider, connection type, and signal strength.

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Forking? Branching? Will these topics eventually get merged back into a single trunk, tagged and released into an article on the main page? ;)

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My impression: almost everyone following this stuff is probably sure that at least one Maemo 5 device will be a phone, and the squabbling has moved on to whether or not there's also going to be a Maemo 5 unphone.

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I just want to know when the thing is coming out. My touchscreen is going bad and I don't want to get an 810 only to have the new joint come out right after.

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My opinion: it's not coming out for a long time. Buy the N810 -- you'll love it. (Mind, it's not a phone!)

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My impression is that the new device will not be marketed as a voice phone, only that it has HSPA connectivity.

Our community will grow as a bunch of hacks are developed and folks in harbored and segregated markets like the US and Canada will find all kinds of uses for the thing.

Nokia gains presence without having to get into an exclusive agreement with any one carrier.

Edit: BTW, whatever happened to >> THIS << kind of thinking. :)

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Benson, I think you've coined a good term there, better than Tablet: the "Maemo unphone" ... or we could just start calling it

The unPhone

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qole...Just sent your post in to Engadget.

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Because it was already announced that Maemo 5 would have GSM *data* support; such things require some aspect of carrier access.

Just because a device as GSM *data* access doesn't make it a phone; but it *can* make it a device that a carrier will sell to improve ARPU numbers.

Ding ;)

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Engadget is the National Enquirer of the tech world. It's like that dog on your street that drops his ball at your feet. You pick it up only realise it is sticky with the stupid mutt's slobber. :p

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No, but the whole point of *THIS* thread is that there's a leak that says the N900 will be a phone, not just a device with GSM data. Really, read the first post in the thread, and the article it links to.

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I thought there was no point to this thread any more ;)

- I kid, I kid - no really, I do.

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Says who? :eek:

Um, nowhere is the word "phone" mentioned in the title, or even in the article the first post linked to.
(Perhaps your post was merged into this thread and we are experiencing the problems mentioned earlier that result with thread editing? :eek:)

Just because it has GSM radios does not make it a traditional voice phone.

and...

Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding...
We may have a winner!

Average Revenue Per Unit is the magic metric in the cell phone industry... The way Nokia may be doing it could make everybody a winner if it succeeds, and not cause to much damage if it doesn't.

In any event success or failure will not be measured against any other device or be affected by decisions that any particular operators Board of Directors/executives may make.

Let someone else be the iPhone/Blackberry/Pre killer. Hell, let them all churn market share back and forth. Meanwhile the Fightin' Fish o' Finland whittles away at a market that required less investment from it to enter than it did for the other three. :)

In the end, the return on that investment is what determines the winners and the losers.

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...and the bit about emergency calls in the SDK is a ruse? Or something to do with VoIP?

ring-ring, not ding.

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the mc-article says something about "All SMS and IMs accessible from one view". i might be wrong technically, but i always thought text messages was something a phone would do. (of course it's something that any device with a SIM-card.... but who would send text messages to a phone number he couldn't also call?)

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Well... SMS *can* be sent over the web, and even from SQL Server (I used the latter to send production defect alerts to managers' cell phones) if routed through an SMS gateway.

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.... and a lot of ppl send text messages via email. - i thought that part of the mc-article referred to incoming text messages... oh well.

:)

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And my brother can make a phone call from his pick-up truck but that service doesn't make it a traditional cell phone.

I am not saying the n900 won't have cell phone connectivity, and I am not saying that you won't be able to make emergency calls if needed (For all I know there may be some FCC requirement that all devices that use a Subscriber Identity Module be able to make "Emergency Phone Calls" when the SIM is not present.), I am also not saying that 3rd party developers will not produce dialers, voice or other.

What I am saying is that IMHO, Nokia or the service provider will not be promoting or marketing those capabilities in this device.

I also stand by my statement that after following this fellows advice...

I still don't see the word phone mentioned.

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Now to expand on my belief that Nokia will not be promoting or marketing the full capabilities in this device. I also believe they hope that our community will. They have certainly done a lot lately to help provide the environment for this.
So, much like the original Internet tablet that allowed us to home grow our own web browser over cell or WiFi experience, we will now be presented with a device that will allow us to home grow our own cell phone experience...
I know I could use a portable device that allows me to receive, view, annotate, re-send, or file faxes unattended for instance.

You can keep calling this thing a phone but I'm thinkin' there's a reason that the word phone is not mentioned in the "leak". ;)

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YoDude: Actually the original article says, "Cellular voice or VOIP both supported," (#8 under "Some of the mentioned software features," right under the fact that SMS will be supported,) so I think we have to start with the fact that the Rover "leak," at least, says there'll be voice out of the box.

Re: N900 specs revealed
 

We've heard before that Maemo is being prepared for phone usage. That we just saw some evidence of that, doesn't mean that the new code is for the N900.

So, I don't think there's any strong indication in the fact that we've confirmed something we already knew.

Re: Emergency Calls?
 

Says the article linked in the original post, which this thread is about.

From the article linked in the original post of the thread (bold emphasis from me):


There you go. Not just a GSM data device (like several other MIDs that have been announced in the last year or so). The fact that it clearly says that both cellular voice and VOIP will be supported indicates that they are directly stating that this device will have a voice capability that is not just VOIP based.

The device being discussed is a cell phone. The device in question has both cellular voice, and SMS. It's clearly a cell phone, in addition to everything else it's supposed to be.

Clearly you didn't read the first few days worth of the thread, because that was one of the main discussion points for the first week or so (that and the screen size; but the two are related, since "it's a cell phone" is the justification for the smaller screen size).

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Isn't it also clear that it says it's SUPPORTED vs REQUIRED or INCLUDED? Also, there is no mention of compatibility for a SIM card, making this, IMHO, less likely for cellular use.

Yeah, the N97 is available SIM-free, but wasn't that a focus of mention before it's release? I'd be hard pressed to believe something if it isn't stated. Wouldn't you?

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A lot of Garmin's products have 3,5" screens.

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How 'bout you don't tell me what I did or didn't do... Howzat for clarity. :eek:

My post was prompted by your statement about the topic of this thread... OK, clearly you think you are the only one who is entitled to an opinion about this and if that is the case then clearly this thread should be closed because you have already addressed the subject. :cool:

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qole, you may be right but as someone stated earlier in this thread (that is if I saw it clearly :) ), jumping this quickly into a phone running on Maemo may be be setting the OS up for failure.

... and I agree with UserID10T "supports" is a far cry from "provided" in ad speak.

BTW, the N800 "supported" video chat. :)

Re: N900 specs revealed
 

So, the theory is that these additional capacities would be added and the device would be made smaller for no particular reason?

To me, the only real reason for doing this stuff would be because you're producing a phone.

So, I must have missed a point somewhere, sorry about that.

What would be the reason for these changes if the new device ISN'T a phone?

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I'm for the N800-size screen, but even if it isn't a phone, making it more carryable is a plus (I'd really like a 7" screen on a flat 2" x 3" tablet :)); it's not the sacrifice I would ask for, but it's not as if there's no point.

And maybe the phone capability is like the unannounced FM capability of the N800; maybe they just want to see what all the good geeks do with it.

Nonetheless, my guess is still that we're first getting a phone, not the Nokia unPhone©.


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Re: N900 specs revealed
 

Your guess is as good as mine... as well as anybody else's. :) I'm not presuming to know, nor am I advocating anything.

The point is, guesses are all they are. Our opinions will be based on nothing more than that until Nokia's press release.

Re: N900 specs revealed
 

Speaking of FM capabilities has there been any evidence of HD radio on the N900?

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regarding the screen size - isn't the assumption that the "Rover" will have a flush screen? If this is true, the jump from 4" to 3.5" shouldn't really be that bad (I would take it any day).
I still hope the leaked size info is wrong, as "rover" is way to chubby (but sadly that seems to be what Nokia likes).