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sachin007 2009-08-07 23:43
Re: N900 specs revealed
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by sachin007 (Post 309699)
Not sure what you are talking about. But the kick stand seems to be way smaller than compared to the n810.

Any guesses about the hole like thing on the lower part of the upper edge of the diagram?
may be it is the charger hole for the power adapter?

sachin007 2009-08-07 23:47
Re: N900 specs revealed
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mara (Post 309700)
I think the protrusion you mention is the headphone jack. (Yes, the3.5mm jack is that big...)The smaller hole you see on the right may be microphone hole. On the most bottom right there is something that may be a stylus. Just zoom in a lot and you can see there is a notch on the right size that a fingernail should fit...
Now who is going to measure the size of the 3.5 mm jack in the picture and extrapolate it to the size of the device? :)

Mara 2009-08-07 23:48
Re: N900 specs revealed
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by sachin007 (Post 309701)
may be it is the charger hole for the power adapter?
That one seem to be on the top side close to the right corner. :)

sachin007 2009-08-07 23:49
Re: N900 specs revealed
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mara (Post 309700)
I think the protrusion you mention is the headphone jack. (Yes, the3.5mm jack is that big...)The smaller hole you see on the right may be microphone hole. On the most bottom right there is something that may be a stylus. Just zoom in a lot and you can see there is a notch on the right size that a fingernail should fit...
Yeah initially i thought it was the stylus.... but later on i thought if that is the base of the device there should be a kick stand. So if it is the stylus then does it mean that there is no kick stand? Especially that i dont see any similar markings on the other side of the device.

johnkzin 2009-08-07 23:50
Re: N900 specs revealed
 
Did we see, from the diagrams, about how big the screen is going to be?

And, Sachin: when you said "top" and such ... did you mean if the device is held portrait or landscape?

(the N800/N810 style of having the charger and headphones on the end is actually one of my gripes about trying to txt on my G1 (which also puts them on the end of the device -- in about the same place as the N810, really) ... that's absolutely the WORST place to put your headphones and/or charger)

sachin007 2009-08-07 23:53
Re: N900 specs revealed
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by johnkzin (Post 309706)
Did we see, from the diagrams, about how big the screen is going to be?

And, Sachin: when you said "top" and such ... did you mean if the device is held portrait or landscape?

(the N800/N810 style of having the charger and headphones on the end is actually one of my gripes about trying to txt on my G1 (which also puts them on the end of the device -- in about the same place as the N810, really) ... that's absolutely the WORST place to put your headphones and/or charger)
No the charging pin hole and the 3.5 mm are on opposite sides.... but they are still on the side of the device.

Paxicide 2009-08-07 23:55
Re: N900 specs revealed
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by johnkzin (Post 309706)
Did we see, from the diagrams, about how big the screen is going to be?

And, Sachin: when you said "top" and such ... did you mean if the device is held portrait or landscape?

(the N800/N810 style of having the charger and headphones on the end is actually one of my gripes about trying to txt on my G1 (which also puts them on the end of the device -- in about the same place as the N810, really) ... that's absolutely the WORST place to put your headphones and/or charger)
Here you go..

If the headset jack is in on the top or bottom wouldnt this tend to bend the jack stem easily when you handle it?

mrojas 2009-08-08 00:14
Re: N900 specs revealed
 
Considering the time passed since the release of Fremantle SDK 2, that must be it. Now, there is a request for "confidential 90 days short-term confidential treatment of some of the information accompanying this application of FCC ID: LJPRX-51 as outlined below:
- Exhibit 3: External photos
- Exhibit 7: Test setup photos
- Exhibit 8: User's manual
- Exhibit 9: Internal photos"

Seems like the product is mostly finished by now, and they are going to announce it in September/October (in time for the Summit, nice). I bet the HW at least was already ready since some time ago, Nokia probably has the best manufacturing capabilities of all mobile providers, that is why they can produce so many sub-types of phones. The user's manual being there tells me the software should be at least in an usable state by now.

Now, I wonder if the screen is capacitive and it comes with a specially designed stylus that works with capacitive screens... that would be awesome!

This is the moment of truth, Nokia. Do or die. Here is hoping!

GeneralAntilles 2009-08-08 00:15
Re: N900 specs revealed
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by sachin007 (Post 309701)
may be it is the charger hole for the power adapter?
The power adaptor is an AC-10 (MicroUSB).

sachin007 2009-08-08 00:19
Re: N900 specs revealed
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mrojas (Post 309710)
Considering the time passed since the release of Fremantle SDK 2, that must be it. Now, there is a request for "confidential 90 days short-term confidential treatment of some of the information accompanying this application of FCC ID: LJPRX-51 as outlined below:
- Exhibit 3: External photos
- Exhibit 7: Test setup photos
- Exhibit 8: User's manual
- Exhibit 9: Internal photos"

Seems like the product is mostly finished by now, and they are going to announce it in September/October (in time for the Summit, nice). I bet the HW at least was already ready since some time ago, Nokia probably has the best manufacturing capabilities of all mobile providers, that is why they can produce so many sub-types of phones. The user's manual being there tells me the software should be at least in an usable state by now.

Now, I wonder if the screen is capacitive and it comes with a specially designed stylus that works with capacitive screens... that would be awesome!

This is the moment of truth, Nokia. Do or die. Here is hoping!
The presence of a stylus shows that this is again a resistive touch screen :(

johnkzin 2009-08-08 00:21
Re: N900 specs revealed
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by GeneralAntilles (Post 309711)
The power adaptor is an AC-10 (MicroUSB).
THAT is great news :-)

And, since the "N97 mini" that was engadget recently looks EXACTLY like the N900 leaks ... and it has a MicroUSB on the bottom (landscape bottom, not portrait bottom) ... that would be an ideal placement for it on the N900 as well.

Anyone else think the N97-mini really is the N900?

mrojas 2009-08-08 00:21
Re: N900 specs revealed
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by sachin007 (Post 309712)
The presence of a stylus shows that this is again a resistive touch screen :(
I was just hopin' :P

sachin007 2009-08-08 00:23
Re: N900 specs revealed
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by GeneralAntilles (Post 309711)
The power adaptor is an AC-10 (MicroUSB).
Where did you get the information from... i cannot find anything about that in those docs?

sachin007 2009-08-08 00:25
Re: N900 specs revealed
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by johnkzin (Post 309713)
THAT is great news :-)

And, since the "N97 mini" that was engadget recently looks EXACTLY like the N900 leaks ... and it has a MicroUSB on the bottom (landscape bottom, not portrait bottom) ... that would be an ideal placement for it on the N900 as well.

Anyone else think the N97-mini really is the N900?
No the n97 mini doesn't have the sliding door on the camera.... but the rx 51 has it.....

Texrat 2009-08-08 00:29
Re: N900 specs revealed
 
T-Mobile makes a lot of sense. But if it works on their networks, there's a good chance it will work on AT&T's too. :)

mikkov 2009-08-08 00:31
Re: N900 specs revealed
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by sachin007 (Post 309716)
Where did you get the information from... i cannot find anything about that in those docs?
How about nokia.com website?

ioioio 2009-08-08 00:44
Re: N900 specs revealed
 
This is crazy! We need better intel. We need a partisan inside Nokia or something. No one here knows someone from Nokia?

mrojas 2009-08-08 00:49
Re: N900 specs revealed
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ioioio (Post 309722)
This is crazy! We need better intel. We need a partisan inside Nokia or something. No one here knows someone from Nokia?
What we need is a mole in the FCC to pass up the documents they are holding as confidential... :D;)

zerojay 2009-08-08 00:50
Re: N900 specs revealed
 
it's not crazy. This is the standard way things go for all phones and tablets. Relax.

daperl 2009-08-08 00:56
Re: N900 specs revealed
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mrojas (Post 309710)
Now, I wonder if the screen is capacitive and it comes with a specially designed stylus that works with capacitive screens... that would be awesome
This article about RIM filing a patent for hybrid capacitive/resistive touchscreens is interesting. However, one of the comments said:

Quote:
It's already denied, the patent was already filed by another company that is contracted by Symbian and Nokia and it's valid till 2020...
but either the comment was BS, or my Google skills are lacking 'cause I couldn't find anything about Nokia being involved with hybrid capacitive/resistive screen technology.

GeneralAntilles 2009-08-08 00:57
Re: N900 specs revealed
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by sachin007 (Post 309712)
The presence of a stylus shows that this is again a resistive touch screen :(
What are you frowning about? Resistive offers you many more options in how you use your device than capacitive. You could never sketch or take down notes with a capacitive touchscreen, for instance. Options are good, hamstringing yourself by using a technology where it's not appropriate is bad.

(Besides, have you used a capacitive touchscreen for any extended period of time or for any detailed task?)

Quote:
Originally Posted by johnkzin (Post 309713)
And, since the "N97 mini" that was engadget recently looks EXACTLY like the N900 leaks ... and it has a MicroUSB on the bottom (landscape bottom, not portrait bottom) ... that would be an ideal placement for it on the N900 as well.
Hasn't this silly idea been shot down enough yet? The screen alone tells you everything you need to know to figure out the likelihood of this idea yourself: Mini N97 is 3.2" (vs 3.5") and 16:9 (vs 16:10).

Quote:
Originally Posted by sachin007 (Post 309716)
Where did you get the information from... i cannot find anything about that in those docs?
Try reading the testing documents. There's a parts list at the top. . . .

mrojas 2009-08-08 01:01
Re: N900 specs revealed
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by daperl (Post 309726)
This article about RIM filing a patent for hybrid capacitive/resistive touchscreens is interesting. However, one of the comments said:



but either the comment was BS, or my Google skills are lacking 'cause I couldn't find anything about Nokia being involved with hybrid capacitive/resistive screen technology.
I remember reading somewhere that there was company selling special stylus compatible with capacitive screens (of course, they made those for the iPhone). So I was wondering, a device with a capacitive screen for finger use and a capacitive stylus would fill everyone's needs...

However, I think we will get a resistive screen. I have tried the N97's one and it was decent, way better than the one in my N800.

GeneralAntilles 2009-08-08 01:05
Re: N900 specs revealed
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mrojas (Post 309710)
Now, I wonder if the screen is capacitive and it comes with a specially designed stylus that works with capacitive screens... that would be awesome!
I suppose you missed out on the parts list in the SDK kernel changelogs, but it is most definitely not a capacitive screen (thank goodness).

GeneralAntilles 2009-08-08 01:06
Re: N900 specs revealed
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by daperl (Post 309726)
but either the comment was BS, or my Google skills are lacking 'cause I couldn't find anything about Nokia being involved with hybrid capacitive/resistive screen technology.
The two big problems with hybrid touchscreens: complexity ($$$) and power usage.

ioioio 2009-08-08 01:07
Re: N900 specs revealed
 
Capacitive is the way to go. You can use a stylus on a capacitive screen. Even tablet PC's come with capacitive touchscreens.

mrojas 2009-08-08 01:07
Re: N900 specs revealed
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by GeneralAntilles (Post 309731)
I suppose you missed out on the parts list in the SDK kernel changelogs, but it is most definitely not a capacitive screen (thank goodness).
I didn't get through them, so yeah, I missed them. Was there confirmation about haptic feedback, though?

iamNarada 2009-08-08 01:11
Re: N900 specs revealed
 
A one RX-51 just made it's way through the FCC....bound for T-mobile USA..

https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/...%27LJPRX-51%27

ioioio 2009-08-08 01:12
Re: N900 specs revealed
 
Ok, maybe not
http://www.interlinkelectronics.com/...apacitive.html

johnkzin 2009-08-08 01:33
Re: N900 specs revealed
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Texrat (Post 309719)
T-Mobile makes a lot of sense. But if it works on their networks, there's a good chance it will work on AT&T's too. :)
Only for GSM/EDGE ... 3G doesn't use the bands for T-Mo vs AT&T.

iamNarada 2009-08-08 01:36
Re: N900 specs revealed
 
It's for 3G in T-mobile band...1700. Which is no where nearly as wide spread in availability as AT&T's 850/1900. But it's something I guess.

nilchak 2009-08-08 01:37
Re: N900 specs revealed
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by sachin007 (Post 309712)
The presence of a stylus shows that this is again a resistive touch screen :(
Thank God for this little functional sense. A resistive screen is good for both Stylus and finger pointing too.

The real innovation has to be in the software (GUI kit) and hardware etc, not in copying the sensitivity and finesse of capacitive screens.

Another gem is the USB charger. I am glad Nokia seems to be going sensibly so far on the RX-51 front.
Now I just need to start saving furiously for this long awaited phone/tablet.
Hope we can buy an unlocked version which will also work on AT&T ?

nilchak 2009-08-08 01:38
Re: N900 specs revealed
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by johnkzin (Post 309743)
Only for GSM/EDGE ... 3G doesn't use the bands for T-Mo vs AT&T.
O Crap !:mad:

GeneralAntilles 2009-08-08 01:48
Re: N900 specs revealed
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mrojas (Post 309735)
I didn't get through them, so yeah, I missed them. Was there confirmation about haptic feedback, though?
Nothing about haptics.

Quote:
Originally Posted by ioioio (Post 309734)
Capacitive is the way to go. You can use a stylus on a capacitive screen. Even tablet PC's come with capacitive touchscreens.
Sure, you can use a stylus, but it has to be a special stylus designed to simulate the electromagnetic properties of skin, and it's not nearly as precise as a proper stylus on a resistive touchscreen.

Mara 2009-08-08 02:20
Re: N900 specs revealed
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paxicide (Post 309694)
The specs state "This device has Voice-over-IP/Dual Transfer Mode capability for use at the ear."

Is this similar to the dual mode on say something like a N95, were you can select voip (internet calls) or regular calls and have it switch when your hooked to a wifi and even set it as the default mode of calling?
No, this is a feature where you can stay on GSM call and have simultaneous data call using another (GPRS) channel. Since it is GPRS... the speed is not earth shattering... :rolleyes:

Here is direct quote from the test report:
Quote:
This device has Voice-over-IP/Dual Transfer Mode capability for use at the ear. Therefore, SAR for multi slot GPRS mode was evaluated against the head profile of the phantom. Dual Transfer Mode is a feature that utilises the multi-slot GPRS capability in this device; it allows simultaneous transmission of voice and data during the same call, using the same transmitter and antenna.

Texrat 2009-08-08 03:01
Re: N900 specs revealed
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ioioio (Post 309722)
This is crazy! We need better intel. We need a partisan inside Nokia or something. No one here knows someone from Nokia?
*sigh*

That brings back some really bad memories...

spock 2009-08-08 04:20
Re: N900 specs revealed
 
Damnit... no Canadian 3G frequencies. I wonder if I'm SOL or if there will be a Canadian variant.

ming387 2009-08-08 05:14
Re: N900 specs revealed
 
http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2009/0...awful-lot-lik/

https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/...='LJPRX-51'

It's getting closer than we think. Sept 2-3 Nokia World will reveal it all. =)

Naranek 2009-08-08 05:27
Re: N900 specs revealed
 
I wonder how many more times these links get pasted to this thread :D

BatPenguin 2009-08-08 05:31
Re: N900 specs revealed
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ming387 (Post 309769)
http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2009/0...awful-lot-lik/

https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/...='LJPRX-51'

It's getting closer than we think. Sept 2-3 Nokia World will reveal it all. =)
...and then it'll just be the same lovely 6 month waiting from announcement to availability that they had with the N97. So any moment now...in February 2010.

OK, I'll go away now. Carry on.

ming387 2009-08-08 05:44
Re: N900 specs revealed
 
Sorry about the post, got too excited and forgot to back-track to make sure no duplicates.

I remember reading it somewhere that is expected to be out before end of year... something like Nokia will release 6 touch devices this year..

So N97, N97 Mini, 5800, 5800X, 5530 and n900 all fits in very well into the 2009 schedule. =)

Hoping they release AT&T 3G band version.


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