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You're all forgetting RDS. That means you can pull down traffic information from FM sideband for GPS nav (or song information from whatever station you're listening to).

Heck, stick the Rover on a car holder, listen to FM with the car stereo and get the song and station info from the tablet.

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I remember the last time when the n810 was released everyone was pissed off because :

1. D pad on the keyboard
2. Loss of the 1 full size sd card replaced by 2 gb internal memory.
3. Lack of av out
4. Lack of a better camera.
5. Lack of fm receiver.

SO what are the peeves of the rover?

1. The biggest ... reduction in screen size
2. Complete lack of the d pad.
3. 3 row keyboard.
4. Smaller battery

These have been discussed and i have gotten over them....

Now the good points of the rover which are new:

1. 32 gb memory
2. Stylus
3. Stand still present.... do not know about the usability of it
4. Phone with tmobile 3g....

Compared to last time.... the reaction is positive.

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5. 5mpix cam
6. accelerometers
7. video out
8. microsd (compared to mini)

Well, personally I miss the electronic compass as it would have made possible all sorts of AR goodies, but you can't have it all I guess.

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Well IIRC, the FM radio applet on the n800 caused some battery draining issues. That's the only reason I brought it up.

As for the transmitter, I have tried that with a GPS unit and it just sounds terrible in every car I've tried it in. It actually osunds better to use the built in speakers, or ideally hook it up with Line In.

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Looks like it is the back flap opener in between the audio jack and speaker on the side of the device. They must have left the hardware screen lock in its original place.

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There's one more complaint.. it's very very ugly.

The N810 looks so so much better than the n900.

What were the designers of the n900 thinking?

... I'm still getting it, but it's damn ugly... lol

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LOL, care to elaborate?

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You had to be here.

I was one of the first Nokia employees crazy enough to brave these parts... but it was the imposters who made it really... interesting. ;)

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I'm not buying one unless I can get a lovely red leather Nokia screen cover like I have for my N800.

Anyone know if there is larger version in the pipeline, same size as the n810? I'd prefer to wait for that.

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The FM tuner is useful around the house if you have an mpd server broadcasting on a WFM transmitter. A2DP (the standard modern solution) would certainly work to get that audio to the tablet, but it's much simpler and higher quality to broadcast one signal than to set up separate A2DP links to each tablet, stereo, etc. tnroughout the house.

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I think you mean LEFT :-)

Also: with no CHR key, how is one supposed enter accents/diacriticals or switch languages? I can't believe this is only supposed to support ASCII input plus a couple of currency symbols.

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I know a rhetorical question when I see one, but I answer them anyway.

If the Ctrl key would act like the Fn or Shift key, it wouldn't be a problem, would it? First press Ctrl, then press C - with a single thumb if you so like.

No, it doesn't work today, but that should be fixable in software.

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What worries me more is the decrease in keys and characters, most notably the Chr key, as mentioned by LMA. 40 keys on my N810, 34 on the Rover - not counting the arrow keys.

Nokia tend to be Finnish, and here in Scandinavia, as well as in Germany, we require the use of a few more characters than the ones present in this keyboard. My N810 has the letters æ (ä), ø (ö) and å. Ø and Å is placed to the right of the M. Rover - not enough keys. They will have to be traded into the Sym charset. Which three characters would I have to give up? $, £ and €?

And other people may miss the chance to create an é or ü, which today is accessible through chr.

They already removed < and >, that I do use.

I am really disturbed by the lack of the Chr key.

On a side note, the keyboard doesn't look like it's a lot better than the current one. I get an awful lot of double keypresses on the N810, and my fingers are not that big. It's not a good keyboard.

On another side note, I guess the Chr key functionality can be accessed through an onscreen button, but that would steal real estate.

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True, but see bug 2856 (and note the version field).

After looking at the photos again it seems it may have been replaced by FN+CTRL, but that would seem to only cover one of its current functions (the "pop up a selection box of characters on the screen" one). Cycling through various accented versions of a letter would at best be very cumbersome and language switching seems impossible (please don't suggest SHIFT+FN+CTRL!)

Yeah, good luck asking a bug reporter to produce debug output with that one... Or editing HTML/XML? I thought WRTs were supposed to be a big deal for Nokia.

Well, as of Fremantle beta 2 we haven't even seen hints of on-screen input methods yet apart from a few "foo has been dropped" bombshells, so who knows...

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doh!!!

Yes. *sheepish grin*

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How can i Un-Thank someone for a post? The members who thank such posts devalue the whole thanks/karma system.

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I agree with you that I did not expect any thanks on that post... But it is readers' choice after all? Maybe I made someone smile/laugh, and that's why?

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I thought Stskeeps is the only Karma-whore in here :P Just kidding :)

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I agree that "thanks" is the wrong thing to hit for a funny post, but people do it... "thanks" should be for informative posts.

We need a "haha" button, or a "lol" button, so when people think a post is funny, they don't hit "thanks".

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+1, Insightful

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Just click "Remove Your Thanks".

Nah, thanks server a useful purpose (keeping noise/me-too posts down) and karma is overrated anwyay. Let's not start worrying "OMG! If I thank this person he might become eligible to stand for council one day!" please :-)

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Yes, you're right. I was thinking of Slashdot. Their moderation system is quite the beautiful thing to behold. Spend enough time logged in to the site and you get a handful of moderator points every so often, and you can distinguish between many different kinds of "good" posts, as well as having the ability to mod down bad posts (which is mildly discouraged through other elegant mechanisms)

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Well I suppose I could do the ultimate modding down and delete the post ;)

But we're straying off topic here, back on topic!

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Slasdot is the forum king. But it only works if you allow anonymous posting. The moderators on this site won't even allow us to anonymously tag. Anonymous posting combined with finite moderation is the best thing to date. But it seems to need a critical mass, and I'm wondering if this site has it. Read slashdot's FAQ when you have a moment.

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And now back to N900 sightings:

PDAdb has added the N900 to the "future" category (which, as far as I can tell, is "more than just a rumor, but not yet official")

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Wow very detailed even the screen type and analog radio receiver with RDS...hmmm?

It also says "Directional-Pad: 4 -way"

Do arrow keys count as directional pads?

The viewable screen size seems very small...

Display:Type: color transflective TFT display
Display;Color+Depth: 16 bit/pixel (65536 scales)
Display+Diagonal: 3.5 " (89 millimetres)
Display;Resolution: 800 x 480 (384000 pixels)
Viewable_Display_Size: 3 " x 1.8 " (76.32 x 45.79 millimetres)
Dot_Pitch: 266.3 pixel/inch (0.0954 millimetre/pixel)

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etailed Technical Specifications of Nokia N900 Internet Tablet (Nokia Rover)
Brand: Nokia
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Manufacturer: Nokia
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Hardware-Designer: Nokia
Project_Codename: Nokia Rover
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Model:ID: RX-51
Expected+Release_Date: November, 2009
Predecessor;Model: Nokia N810 Internet Tablet
Physical:Attributes
Software+Environment
Embedded-Operating-System: Nokia Internet Tablet OS Maemo 5.0
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Operating:System_Kernel: Linux 2.6.28
Microprocessor,:Chipset
CPU: Texas Instruments OMAP 3430
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Width_of;Machine_Word: 32 bit
CPU;Core: ARM Cortex-A8
Level+1+cache: 32KiB data cache / 32 KiB instruction cache
Instruction:Set: ARMv7
Memory,;Storage-capacity
RAM+type: DDR SDRAM
RAM+capacity: 128 MiB
ROM;type: Flash EEPROM
ROM;capacity: 256 MiB
Secondary:ROM+type: Flash EEPROM
Secondary_ROM+capacity: 1908 MiB
Secondary_ROM:capacity_in+bytes: 2 GB (billion bytes)
Graphical+subsystem
Display-Type: color transflective TFT display
Display:Color:Depth: 16 bit/pixel (65536 scales)
Display-Diagonal: 3.5 " (89 millimetres)
Display_Resolution: 800 x 480 (384000 pixels)
Viewable-Display_Size: 3 " x 1.8 " (76.32 x 45.79 millimetres)
Dot-Pitch: 266.3 pixel/inch (0.0954 millimetre/pixel)
Audio_Subsystem
Audio;Channel(s): stereo sound
Analog/Digital Converter
(Recording): 16 bit nominal quantization
48000 Hz sampling frequency
Digital/Analog Converter
(Playing): 16 bit resolution
48000 Hz holding frequency
Microphone(s): mono sound
Loudspeaker(s): stereo sound
Audio+Output: 3.5mm plug
Cellular-Phone
Cellular_Networks: GSM850, GSM900, GSM1800, GSM1900, UMTS850, UMTS1700, UMTS2100
Cellular_Data;Links: CSD, GPRS, EDGE, UMTS, HSDPA, HSUPA
Cellular_Antenna: Internal antenna
SAR+(head)+UMTS1700: 0.369 W/kg
Control_Peripherals
Positioning+Device: Touchscreen
Primary;Keyboard: Slide-out QWERTY-type keyboard, 38 keys
Automatic keyboard backlight (upon press of any key)
Directional:Pad: Four-way (without action button)
Scroll+Wheel: Not supported
Interfaces
Expansion;Interfaces: microSD, microSDHC, TransFlash, SDIO
Supports High Capacity (SD 2.0/HC) memory cards with capacity of up to 32GB
USB: USB 2.0 host/client, Hi-Speed (480Mbit/s), USB On-The-Go 1.0 compliant
USB Series Micro-B (Micro-USB) connector
Bluetooth_(802.15): Bluetooth 2.0 + Enhanced Data Rate, Internal antenna
Wireless+LAN/Wi-Fi+(802.11): IEEE 802.11b, IEEE 802.11g, 54 Mbit/s
Internal antenna
Infrared+Gate: Not supported
Multimedia_Broadcast
Analog_Radio: FM radio (87.5-108MHz) with RDS radio reciever
Proprietary headset as antenna
Digital_Media:Broadcast: Not supported
Satellite+Navigation
Built-in+GPS-module: Supported
GPS-Protocol: NMEA 0183
GPS-Antenna: Internal antenna
Complementary:GPS+Services: Assisted GPS
Built-in;Digital-Camera
Sensor_Type: CMOS sensor
Resolution: 2608 x1960 pixels (5.11MP)
Autofocus_(AF): Supported
Optical;Zoom: 1 x
Macro-Mode: No information
Built-in:Flash: mobile light (LED)
Camcorder: 640x480 pixels
Recordable+Image;Formats: JPG
Recordable+Video-Formats: 3GP, MPEG4
Power:Supply
Battery;Technology: Supported
Battery-Build: removable
Battery:Capacity: 1320 mAh
Additional-Details
Additional;Features:

* GPRS Class 12
* Bluetooth stereo audio profile (A2DP
* AVRCP)
* UPnP
* FM transmitter

Datasheet:State: Incomplete specifications
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Datasheet:Added: Aug 10, 09 17:32:40

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From the same pda site.. according to them maemo 5 will be released October 15....hmmm after the summit...

Nokia Internet Tablet OS Maemo 5.0
Simplified operating system datasheet

Full Name: Nokia Internet Tablet OS Maemo 5.0
Short Name: IT2009
Developer: Nokia
Release Date: October 15, 2009
Predecessor: Nokia Internet Tablet OS 2008 Edition Maemo 4.1 (Diablo)
Characteristics
Operating System Family: Linux operating systems
Operating System Kernel: Linux 2.6.28
Supported CPU Instruction Set(s): ARM
Additional Details
Related Page: http://maemo.org/
Datasheet Time: Aug 10, 09 18:10:38
Datasheet Views: 41 views

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The maths checks out. The diagonal of a 3" x 1.8" screen is indeed 3.5", and 3" x 1.8" is in the same ratio as 800x480.

That would make the N900 diagonal 85% of the N810 diagonal, which makes the screen area (in square inches or square mm) around 73% of the N810.

Because of the 800x480 aspect ratio, the screen area of the N900 (5.4 square inches) is 4.5% less than that of the iPhone (5.654 square inches), even though their diagonals are the same.

Regards,
Roger

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:confused:

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i thought the video record resolution was 800 x 480, the same as the screen resolution...........?

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Your guess is as good as anyone else's.

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I hope that he is mistaken on some points:

- "RAM_capacity: 128 MiB." It is not enough

- "ROM_capacity: 256 MiB." Only 256MB for the OS and other software?

- "Secondary-ROM;capacity: 1.9 GiB." It was not 32GB?

- "Display;Type: color transflective TFT , 65536 scales." Not 16M colors ? :(

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Looks like blanks are being filled in from the N810 spec (e.g. 2GB internal flash, for example).

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What, nothing new in a week? I would have thought the new pictures would have spawned all sorts of heated discussions for weeks :B

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one tweet from eldar:)

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I don't think it's a good thing that integrate with T-Mobile. look at symbian os now, the phone call is NO.1 thing always. you MUST be interrupte when the call is coming that no matter what are you doning now. i need a Tablelet, not a phone. i think that device is not more complex is better than All-in-one, even then that's a trend.

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I bet if they had been substantially different from the rumors we'd already discussed to death in this thread, then it would have caused a new round of discussion. But they weren't. They were just confirming what we already saw.

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Then don't get a voice plan. Just get a data plan. Or don't even get a data plan, just use the device without a WWAN.

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I am positively sure I'd want a data plan. Quirky bluetooth connections be gone.

I think also use it as a phone. I can't see why not. If it interrupts what I was doing on the Nokia... Well, the phone call itself did that.

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I look forward to carrying a single device. No more E90 + N810. :)