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johnkzin 2009-08-18 15:03

Re: N900 specs revealed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by volt (Post 312680)
I am positively sure I'd want a data plan. Quirky bluetooth connections be gone.

I think also use it as a phone. I can't see why not. If it interrupts what I was doing on the Nokia... Well, the phone call itself did that.

Me too (both a data plan and a voice/messaging plan). I was just addressing funpig saying they "just want a tablet". Even if I just wanted a tablet, I'd still get the data plan, I think.

As for phone calls ... on any platform I've used, if I say "don't answer the call" or whatever, it takes me back to the app I was in, usually right where I left off. Hopefully Maemo will do the same. Given that it's a true multi-tasking OS, I expect that to be the case.

chilko 2009-08-18 15:28

Re: N900 specs revealed
 
check eldarmurtazin.livejournal.com for screenshot from rx-51 ;)

nilchak 2009-08-18 15:36

Re: N900 specs revealed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by chilko (Post 312724)
check eldarmurtazin.livejournal.com for screenshot from rx-51 ;)

Me likey !.
In particular I like how the icons are bigger - particularly the volume slider as well as volume muter icon.
I know we had a raging debate on whether large icons are space wasting or not, but while using my N810 in my car - that single Volume muter icon is a source of immense frustration for me. Its like a pin point and needs me to click with my nails literally and that too while driving you can't even be sure whether its a muted icon or not.

Overall I like the direction of the N900 Fremantle GUI design.

attila77 2009-08-18 16:19

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Quote:

Originally Posted by chilko (Post 312724)
check eldarmurtazin.livejournal.com for screenshot from rx-51 ;)

Did he just say 'most impressive unit of 2009' there or is my rusty Russian playing tricks on me ?

johnkzin 2009-08-18 16:20

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It doesn't seem to tell you what the voice signal strength is (just the "internet connection" strength). You'd think you'd get an idea of Voice Signal, Data Signal (GRPS, EDGE, 3G), and/or Wifi ... each as a separate gauge*. Other phones I've used do that, for example.

(Gauge being distinct from "Widget" -- you could probably fit all 3 gauges in one of those button-like widgets in that screen shot)

qole 2009-08-18 16:23

Re: N900 specs revealed
 
The worrisome thing in that screenshot for me is the battery section. The battery is showing 75% full, and it says, "one hour of active use"... Yikes.

translate.google.com does funny things to that post... :)

Quote:

In the tweeter wrote, here is the result ...
One, I will go make another skrinshotikov, pobolee. Compatible software is:) So far, I say that already mentioned. This is the most impressive unit in 2009. Others say not so. S60 on its background obsolete junk. And this is the main difference.
I looked at the N97 in his hands and him, understand that ... Ehhhh. In a word tomorrow evening, something will write:) please you ... Well, try the company does not move under the monastery ...
PS Having lived around a few months, I can say that this smart, droll wonder. And steadily flying:) Although there are some brakes, but justifiable.
He seems to think it is great ("smart, droll wonder")...

Russian speakers should go to translate.google.com and "contribute a better translation" for some of those phrases... :D

johnkzin 2009-08-18 16:28

Re: N900 specs revealed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by qole (Post 312748)
The worrisome thing in that screenshot for me is the battery section. The battery is showing 75% full, and it says, "one hour of active use"... Yikes.

Maybe that has something to do with the two hard-drives he has attached to it ;)

daperl 2009-08-18 16:32

Re: N900 specs revealed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by attila77 (Post 312744)
Did he just say 'most impressive unit of 2009' there or is my rusty Russian playing tricks on me ?

According to google's translation:

"One, I will go make another skrinshotikov, pobolee. Compatible software is:) So far, I say that already mentioned. This is the most impressive unit in 2009. Others say not so. S60 on its background obsolete junk. And this is the main difference.
I looked at the N97 in his hands and him, understand that ... Ehhhh. In a word tomorrow evening, something will write:) please you ... Well, try the company does not move under the monastery ...
PS Having lived around a few months, I can say that this smart, droll wonder. And steadily flying:) Although there are some brakes, but justifiable."


EDIT:

-1, redundant

qole 2009-08-18 16:54

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Ha, just re-read the awful translation... "skrinshotikov" = screen shot! Hee hee... Is "pobolee" a humourous transliteration of "probably"? Does that mean he'll post another screenshot soon? I hope so!

nilchak 2009-08-18 17:09

Re: N900 specs revealed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by qole (Post 312758)
Ha, just re-read the awful translation... "skrinshotikov" = screen shot! Hee hee... Is "pobolee" a humourous transliteration of "probably"? Does that mean he'll post another screenshot soon? I hope so!

Good catch there Qole ... so look out tomorrow for some more details ...
My God, how underground sniffing detectives we at this community have become ... :D

For a moment before all that Russian translation - I thought he said - "All your bases are belong to us !"

<Couldn't resist the favourite slashdot quote >

qole 2009-08-18 17:16

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Quote:

Originally Posted by johnkzin (Post 312749)
Maybe that has something to do with the two hard-drives he has attached to it ;)

Yes, that hard drive icon sure is mysterious. Are those two gauges referring to his internal and external memory?

attila77 2009-08-18 17:29

Re: N900 specs revealed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by qole (Post 312758)
Ha, just re-read the awful translation... "skrinshotikov" = screen shot! Hee hee... Is "pobolee" a humourous transliteration of "probably"? Does that mean he'll post another screenshot soon? I hope so!

Yes, he says he'll make more screenshots and write some more about it tonight. "pobolee" is in this context "better" if I'm not mistaken. Says it's the most impressive device of 2009, the others (S60) look terribly outdated. Holds and compares to N97 and says ehhh which is a good sign :) The monastery part I didn't get but I guess it means something along 'not closing shop'. Russian speakers, please correct if wrong, Russian is one of my 'picked up' languages so I wouldn't bet my life on it, just trying to fill holes in the google translation until natives show up :)

lma 2009-08-18 17:44

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Quote:

Originally Posted by qole (Post 312765)
Yes, that hard drive icon sure is mysterious. Are those two gauges referring to his internal and external memory?

That's the load-applet, IIRC correctly the left one is CPU usage and the right one RAM/swap. You can already try it yourself in the SDK :-)

korbé 2009-08-18 17:53

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Ok, but should find a more explicit icon for load-applet, no?

dansus 2009-08-18 18:13

Re: N900 specs revealed
 
So after waiting and praying for a Maemo device with wwan, the time is near.

One question that seems unanswered is whether you will be able to make cell calls at release, can someone tell me if the SDK has a dialler screen yet?

Personally i hope it doesnt and will be sold as data device only, plus im forever amused by Americans moaning that they dont want second contract because they already have a phone and want it without a 3G radio, which would be madness. My answer is, 'just buy the device from Nokia and put a payg sim in it' . Which always brings puzzled looks. :D

.

chilko 2009-08-18 18:44

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i think that profile section hints that this is a phone. anyone who uses nokia device will agree

sachin007 2009-08-18 18:50

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Quote:

Originally Posted by chilko (Post 312798)
i think that profile section hints that this is a phone. anyone who uses nokia device will agree

Yeah i agree. But i have always wanted profiles on my tablets so that i can switch to silent mode with a press of a button... May be they added that just to data notifications....

chilko 2009-08-18 19:24

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two updates from eldar

Quote:

Think RX51/N900 first look will be a great in terms of positioning, MS will hate me, SE and Samsung as well, too many leaks :) Just finished
Quote:

In first look, it will be a really few details about device itself, a lot of screenshots, photos etc.. Preview will be on anounce date :)

sachin007 2009-08-18 19:36

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Quote:

Originally Posted by chilko (Post 312826)
two updates from eldar

So that pretty much confirms it then.... Why would he compare it with MS, samsung etc unless it is a phone. surprisingly he omitted apple.... any specific reason for that?

nilchak 2009-08-18 19:44

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Quote:

Originally Posted by sachin007 (Post 312832)
So that pretty much confirms it then.... Why would he compare it with MS, samsung etc unless it is a phone. surprisingly he omitted apple.... any specific reason for that?

I thought the FCC filing documents revealed pretty explicitly that it was a phone.
Are we still debating whether it will be a phone or not ?

tissot 2009-08-18 19:46

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Quote:

Originally Posted by sachin007 (Post 312832)
So that pretty much confirms it then.... Why would he compare it with MS, samsung etc unless it is a phone. surprisingly he omitted apple.... any specific reason for that?

Probally because Eldar and Iphone don't mix. :)
After negative review of 2G iPhone mobile-review.com was hacked for days.

attila77 2009-08-18 20:06

Re: N900 specs revealed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by tissot (Post 312838)
Probally because Eldar and Iphone don't mix. :)
After negative review of 2G iPhone mobile-review.com was hacked for days.

Yes, that was a nasty episode. Anyway, Eldar is not a US tech blogger, so if you're on that side of the pond, expect a slightly different angle than you might be used to.

MicroChip123 2009-08-18 20:11

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It may not be called the N900

http://i28.tinypic.com/zldjrc.jpg

:D

GeneralAntilles 2009-08-18 20:12

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MicroChip123 (Post 312842)
It may not be called the N900

Well, prototypes are always designated N00, so I'm not sure how much I would extrapolate from that (N98 would be kinda fun, though).

pelago 2009-08-18 20:15

Re: N900 specs revealed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by chilko (Post 312724)
check eldarmurtazin.livejournal.com for screenshot from rx-51 ;)

I'm just trying to work out what the blurred app is in the background. Two words look like Office and Programming, so is it the Application Manager?

ysss 2009-08-18 20:16

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I'm buying some NOK :D

PS: The battery indicator is very worrisome from that screenshot (1 hour of active use from +75% battery). But he can't be praising it all that high if this indicator\calculation is correct.

tso 2009-08-18 20:22

Re: N900 specs revealed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by tissot (Post 312838)
Probally because Eldar and Iphone don't mix. :)
After negative review of 2G iPhone mobile-review.com was hacked for days.

heh, russian apple fans are even worse then US ones? ;)

as for phone or not, i think the main issue will be if it can be used as a handset, that is make phone calls, out of the box without any kind of handsfree...

allnameswereout 2009-08-18 20:24

Re: N900 specs revealed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by funpig (Post 312640)
I don't think it's a good thing that integrate with T-Mobile. look at symbian os now, the phone call is NO.1 thing always. you MUST be interrupte when the call is coming that no matter what are you doning now. i need a Tablelet, not a phone. i think that device is not more complex is better than All-in-one, even then that's a trend.

It will be sold seperate as well. In some countries this tie with data plan is illegal. Such as in Greece. In other countries there must also be sold seperate without data plan. I sure as hell already have a good data plan, with Vodafone Passport FTW, while TMO has bad 3G...

yerga 2009-08-18 20:24

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Quote:

Originally Posted by pelago (Post 312845)
I'm just trying to work out what the blurred app is in the background. Two words look like Office and Programming, so is it the Application Manager?

It's the category view of the Application Manager.

GeneralAntilles 2009-08-18 20:27

Re: N900 specs revealed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ysss (Post 312846)
PS: The battery indicator is very worrisome from that screenshot (1 hour of active use from +75% battery). But he can't be praising it all that high if this indicator\calculation is correct.

I wouldn't be worried. There's almost certainly a reasonable explanation for it that doesn't involve Nokia shipping a 1.5 hour cellphone (they're shipping it with an Atom :rolleyes:).

ysss 2009-08-18 20:45

Re: N900 specs revealed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by GeneralAntilles (Post 312854)
I wouldn't be worried. There's almost certainly a reasonable explanation for it that doesn't involve Nokia shipping a 1.5 hour cellphone (they're shipping it with an Atom :rolleyes:).

Yup, I didn't think so because it's designed as a phone and it comes with the smaller screen (OLED based with black themes to boot).

But all 3G phones I have (3GS, HTC G1, BB Bold) just flush out the battery when they transfer 3G data... so I wouldn't underestimate the potential powerdrains either.

qole 2009-08-18 21:10

Re: N900 specs revealed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by qole (Post 312765)
Yes, that hard drive icon sure is mysterious. Are those two gauges referring to his internal and external memory?

Quote:

Originally Posted by lma (Post 312777)
That's the load-applet, IIRC correctly the left one is CPU usage and the right one RAM/swap. You can already try it yourself in the SDK :-)

Quote:

Originally Posted by korbé (Post 312780)
Ok, but should find a more explicit icon for load-applet, no?

Aha, it is just a generic GNOME icon, the "Document Save" icon, to be specific. Probably a placeholder, with a better icon to be inserted later...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...t-save.svg.png

mikkov 2009-08-18 21:13

Re: N900 specs revealed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by qole (Post 312871)
Aha, it is just a generic GNOME icon, the "Document Save" icon, to be specific. Probably a placeholder, with a better icon to be inserted later...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...t-save.svg.png

I guess that the "later" will happen only if somebody makes a better one, because load-applet isn't official Nokia software

qole 2009-08-18 21:27

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mikkov (Post 312873)
I guess that the "later" will happen only if somebody makes a better one, because load-applet isn't official Nokia software

Then I propose one of the following equally generic, free icons:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...search.svg.png http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...em-run.svg.png http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...onitor.svg.png http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...system.svg.png

mikkov 2009-08-18 21:32

Re: N900 specs revealed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by qole (Post 312878)
Then I propose one of the following equally generic, free icons:

Proper place to propose is probably here:
https://garage.maemo.org/projects/load-applet/

edit:
or maybe this will get more attention https://bugs.maemo.org/buglist.cgi?product=Load+Applet

korbé 2009-08-18 22:07

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I very much appreciate the third.

lma 2009-08-18 22:38

Re: N900 specs revealed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by korbé (Post 312780)
Ok, but should find a more explicit icon for load-applet, no?

I haven't looked at the source, but it might be the equivalent of the chip/floppy overlaid icon in previous versions, ie meant to indicate that swap is in use.

GeneralAntilles 2009-08-18 23:20

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ysss (Post 312861)
(OLED based with black themes to boot).

Er, yeah, since when, exactly? The Sony part listed in the kernel is transflective. . . .

mobiledivide 2009-08-18 23:54

Re: N900 specs revealed
 
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Originally Posted by Eldar
@swestar Hmmm, i used rover for several months, so standby 2 days, active use arounnd 6 hours, like video etc.

http://twitter.com/eldarmurtazin

So basically its like any smartphone out there, heavy use will require daily charge, I'm guessing that I will have to have a charger at work, in the car etc for all the playing I'm going to be doing on this thing :D

zerojay 2009-08-19 00:13

Re: N900 specs revealed
 
HIs response for when the announce date for the RX-51: September, 2.. anyone notice this?


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