Samsung Mondi might take the place of my N810
 

It's looking more probable by the day that the Samsung Mondi might take the place of my Nokia N810. This is my first time posting here so I should give a brief history of my usages before hand. I use a Nokia N810, Treo 800w, and a 2nd generation Ipod touch. The Treo is my main phone, the ipod touch is really fun device to have for games and itunes synchronization, and the N810 is my online life device. I find much of the software in the N810 very useful and fun. What can I say about the N810 that hasn't been said before, the device is truly a pocketable computer that would let you do "almost" anything you could think of. The almost comes from two points: hardware and software.
The hardware needs a faster processor to cope and beat the competition. If Nokia is serious about their top of the line devices, calling them pocket computers, then they should go back on being the innovators that they were with the release of the Nokia 770. I don't need a Pentium 1.0 ghz processor but something that would allow us to use the internet as it stands now. Streaming video, radio, and fast multi-tasking are a must for some people. I want to be able to open pandora in the background and read my email, and play some games.
I find that support for microsoft's "evil" office, video skype integration, and the MIFI trick a must for me. i had tried open office, abiword, and excel programs and it doesn't quiet cut it. The camera doesn't support skype, despite all the pleadings that people have made to Nokia. and I seem to be carrying my laptop more than before, so a MIFI would be a really good solution.

This is sad because I'm very happy with my Nokia N810 the limitation are becoming quiet obvious. Anyhow if anyone is interested they should read the review of PCMag about the Mondi http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2350887,00.asp and the one that should be post on pocketables soon. I think the N810 is a great design with really good support by developers (not including nokia here) yet it needs to evolve fast. I don't know what is wrong with Nokia but if they are serious about transforming pocketable devices into computers, they need to play catch up now!!!! Depending on further reviews I would decide to wait for the next Nokia device or jump to the Samsung Mondi.

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Valid points. Though this seems closer to a UPMC that a MID/IT.
PCmag's reputation is worthless and can cited in any of their reviews. For example, http://s2.lookpic.com/i/529/18axKpDi.png

Wait for user reviews and keep in mind that plenty of "MID"s are going to released in the coming months running Android, Linux and even WinMo so I'm sure you will find something you like better than N810 (or any of the devices you've listed).

Re: Samsung Mondi might take the place of my N810
 

As explained many, many times, that's in Skype's court.

But enjoy your Mondi!

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http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/07/s...thers-cousins/ smaller than I thought.

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I still think there was a clear assumption/implication in the early days of the N800 that video via Skype was going to become available, and I doubt that anyone can come up with a link from early 2007 that says

"Repeat, we have nothing to do with whether Skype ever supports video on the N800! We cannot control that!"

For one thing, as I have said before, the video support was said to be in "beta". I have never seen a major company abandon something that was in beta. Beta means "we haven't perfected this, but we will." It does NOT mean, "well, we're trying this out, but we may abandon it soon." (I would be grateful if someone would list a few major companies that have abandoned similar projects that they had claimed to be in beta.)

If someone can come up with a link that specifically says that Nokia specifically denied responsibility for the Skype video as I quoted above, i would appreciate seeing it! Otherwise, Nokia bears some of the responsiblity, probably most of the responsibility, for allowing that impression to persist.

If someone CAN come up with such a link, I humbly apologize in advance and will stop saying this.

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That said, video support on Skype/Linux-x86 can be pretty screwy at times too. At my work we have to use v4lcompat and such a little too much for our own good. Did anyone check if it's possible to use API bindings in Skype to get our way btw?

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Can YOU provide the link that is the basis for that assumption/implication ? 'Their fault because it ships with' is silly. Dell is not responsible for MS bugs even though they ship with Windows, Asus is not responsible for Firefox bugs even though they ship it on their eee-s. So, how does Skype become Nokia's liability ? As a linux user, I'm kind of used to being treated like dirt by Skype so Skype issues on the NITs don't surprise me the least bit.

Re: Samsung Mondi might take the place of my N810
 

It's been made clear for quite some time that the app was Skype's.

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According to the EULA they are, as is any manufacturer that supplies an OEM version of windows.

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I thought the Skype port was solicited via Nokia?

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Ah, sorry, I guess it shows it has been 10+ years since my last windows machine :) In that case, I'd expect a quote from the N810 EULA that says the same thing with regard to Skype :)

It doesn't matter. It's a 'mobile skype' port. It doesn't do video, not on the PSP, not on WinMo, not on iPhone, not on any other platform. The latest and greatest improvent in skype mobile (AFAIK the only feature the NIT port is missing) is that you can send FILES. Revolutionary (almost in an Apple kind of way :) ). And yes, Skype is that crappy.

Re: Samsung Mondi might take the place of my N810
 

I just checked the manual of windows 3.11 (a real, physical one, on paper!) and it has the same provision. It's 17 years old.

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Hm, interesting (mine was a Win98, but then it seems I was not reading carefully enough ;) ). But... why does then every error in Windows want to get reported to Microsoft and not the REAL responsible party? :D

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It really doesn't matter. It's Skype's responsibility to get video working if they desire.

Something that seems to get lost in this sort of discussion is the important distinction between proximate responsibility and ultimate responsibility. Nokia has a proximate responsibility to stress to Skype how desirable a feature like video is; Skype has the ultimate repsonsibility to make it happen.

Re: Samsung Mondi might take the place of my N810
 

Was it just a matter of supply vs demand? Skype didn't want to spend more resource to cater to the limited userbase...

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^ that's as good an answer as any.

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Nokia should have made it clear that it's important. But I'm willing to bet the userbase was far too small, so anything financial wouldn't be worthwhile.

Then it starts with Nokia, right? If it's not important to Nokia, then the message was never sent.

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Did anybody consider that only Skype mobile (the one without video) is available for non-x86 platforms ? So it's not exactly a Nokia issue, Skype doesn't do video on ARM at all, just x86. Also, considering how much birthpain it coused to (almost) have a 64bit version, it looks as if it's pretty gritty on the inside (hardcoded, 32bit x86 asm stuff or binary blobs likely)

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from what i recall, video on skype is highly cpu and latency sensitive, so there could be a codec reason for why it has never shown up outside of X86...

funny enough btw, their codec supplier is on2, the very same on2 that google have announced a intention to buy recently...

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Not just intention, they bought them all right :)

http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/08/05...r-106-million/

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note "will acquire", from what i understand, the on2 board have yet to give this a green light...

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Gerbick, you're making rank assumptions.

You don't know what was or wasn't communicated from Nokia to Skype. But it would be helpful for you to consider that Nokia had a vested interest in use of the webcam.... soooo... do the math. ;)

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This thread started with someone saying he would switch from N800 to the Samsung Mondi. I don't even know, does the Mondi has Skype? Why they got it? And is this really the main advantage of it? There's nothing else to discuss regarding mondi vs. NITs?

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mondi have access to all apps that can run on recent windows mobile, and i think skype is one of those...

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Yep. Windows Mobile Skype users have even been eagerly anticipating video call capability since 2006 or so too.

Microsoft probably never told Skype it's an important feature.

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am thinking the same thing...I just saw it on the www.clear.com website.
With clear in Atlanta I would be the sh_t with a Samsung Mondi.

Nokia is moving too slow.

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I would enjoy a world where people can run SIP servers in their own homes, and call each other by their IPv6 numbers. If Nokia is pointing at that direction, I prefer suffer a bit longer in the "non-supported" lane and join the revolution.

I don't even know that much people to call anyway. There is my girlfriend, and I made her install Gizmo at her computer. It worked, we had our fun.

You know what? I don't even want to talk to people that are not capable of installing something different than Skype of whatever unique "just one click" program they learn to use. That is lame. I don't want to talk to lammers!

Of course, if you really need to run skype or gtalk with video in your tablet right now, well, go ahead and buy something that support it. If you reeeeally need something you must go ahead and but the thing and that's it. Why talk about it? If that iw your only use for the thing, and the NITs don't do it, it's sad but true, just drop the thing and move to the other tablet, good luck with your new life.

Now, I do ask myself what Nokia is thinking... Of course I love it that they are working with FLOSS right now. But I must confess I have a bad feeling this won't last long. No company would, or should like to know people are not buying a product of theirs because of a small functionality one step away to be implemented.

People say no IT employee was ever fired to recommend their bosses to buy IBM products. We could imagine if a Nokia employee would ever be fired to suggest their bosses to make a tablet that is 100% Skype and GTalk and MSN compatible. (I've heard flash 10 is also a problem.)

The bosses up in Finland must be pretty much sure of themselves to keep up this proposal of not being completely compatible with lots of mainstream software, and betting in FLOSS, open standards and developing a developers community, etc. I hope so...

History points a bit in that direction, actually. Finland was kind of a neutral zone in WWII and after. They remained independent, not completely compatible with other large states.

So I finish this confusing message asking: Are we fighting a war where a modern day Simo Häyhä wields a Maemo tablet? Will we keep our independence?

Re: Samsung Mondi might take the place of my N810
 

Here is your chance to get a new Samsung Mondi for $199.99 shipped (just bought one; 46 sold so far):
http://cgi.ebay.com/Samsung-Mondi-Wi...item19c25d3ef7

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Did anyone ever get linux on it? And there is oddly no wikipedia page about the device.

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I owned one(posted my experiences on pocketables.net two years ago). The device is better than the N810(literally does everything better and faster).

But neither device is worthy of a buy in 2011 imo. Just too much better stuff out there, including supersized cellphones. In '09 when it dropped.. The only comp were overpriced UMPC's, and underequipped ipod touches.

That being said, if maemo ever made it to the Mondi, it would be worth it as an inexpensive pda/media device. But the CPU is a dog, being the rev. a version of Samsung S3C6410.. lacking OGLES 1.0

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As long as it serves my basic need: reading/surfing in bed, the device would be acceptable to me. My current tablet (Samsung Q1UP with Win 7) is very powerful, but at 2 lbs or so, it's too heavy to hold for a couple of hours.

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Rereading this thread, it became clear to me once again why I'm going to try to avoid going further down the road with Nokia.

I actually thought more with video and Skype was coming from Nokia and the N800.

I actually believed all the hype about Mer was more than BS.

I actually thought Flash was seen by Nokia as a major selling point for the N900, rather than something to be instantly abandoned.

Nokia keeps taking me in. So, Nokia sold me five devices in a row. I think I'll trust someone else next time.