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Architengi 2009-08-21 07:52

Ovi store for maemo
 
Ovi store for maemo.

If you will recommend 3 applications for Maemo that are very useful, what would that be?

What are the top 3 applications you saw on other devices and you want on Maemo?

And how about top 3 paid applications for Maemo. Are you willing to pay for MS Office/Word?

N-Gage on Maemo. Wouldn't be nice to have EA and other gaming houses titles on Maemo (like on Symbian)? What do you think?


This thread is mainly about:

1) What applications should be in OVI STORE for Maemo to make it compete with AppStore? What apps do you want to see in Ovi Store for maemo?

2) What Nokia will provide as development tools in the package for Ovi Store publishing besides the SDK, what tools?
Can we do the development directly on N900? Or do we need an emulator in Windows?

Architengi 2009-08-21 08:00

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Ovi store does not have yet a section for Maemo, but when this will be, what applications would you buy from there, or you want there to download for free?

How about iTunes? :p

nowave7 2009-08-21 08:17

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Sports tracker is a must have! Even though there is already a similar app for Maemo 4, called eCoach, Sports tracker is much more mature, and it already has a large community.
As well as some kind of Office suite, not necessarily M$. But in light of recent Nokia M$ alignment, and if the rumors are true that Nokia will ditch Symbian in favor of Maemo, it'll be interesting to see how will M$ react.
N-Gage would also be nice boost for the device.

timsamoff 2009-08-21 13:32

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Again, we need an "Other" option.

Tim

ARJWright 2009-08-21 13:47

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Yes this poll needs an other option.
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Maemo apps are going to the Ovi store, then these need to be the best of the best. There's no point in the Ovi Store playing the role of yet another application manager, and there's even less a need for developers to push their wares to two Nokia venues.

If anything, apps from Maemo that are at a major version, have no show stopping bugs, and highlight the platform (Fremantle All Stars or something like that I once heard of) would do well there.
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In terms of the other way around, Ovi Maps, Ovi Chat, Gravity, MWS, QuickOffice, Google Maps, and Nokia Friend View would be all solid Maemo offerings - if accessible from the Ovi Store.

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EDIT: Qt apps work equally well right now for Symbian and Maemo right? Given the screen resolutions of S60v5 devices, there just might be a whole lot of inerplay between the platforms in terms of apps, making this not just very possible, but the most likely direction consumating in the next Maemo and one of the next 2 Symbian releases.

christexaport 2009-08-21 15:08

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I'd like to see Nimbuzz, a MySpace/Facebook realtime widget, an app that threads SMS/MMS along with email and IM in a threaded view, a TV streaming app like PiipTv, a web video stream capturer like Realplayer desktop does, a video editor suite, an HDR application for photos,

christexaport 2009-08-21 15:15

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I'm realizing, coming from a Symbian background, that witht the Nxxx browser, many apps aren't even necessary.

Texrat 2009-08-21 15:31

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Quote:

Originally Posted by christexaport (Post 314031)
I'm realizing, coming from a Symbian background, that witht the Nxxx browser, many apps aren't even necessary.

Awesome. Now let's wait for millions of others to catch up to that epiphany. :D

debernardis 2009-08-21 15:45

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You should see it from the eyes of one who has used for years the s60 browser. Coming to microb or tear might be a shocking experience. You have a real browser, and you don't need any more those "widgets" that call themselves apps.

Maybe Iphone owners will see the light, too.

mobiledivide 2009-08-21 15:53

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Quote:

Originally Posted by christexaport (Post 314031)
I'm realizing, coming from a Symbian background, that witht the Nxxx browser, many apps aren't even necessary.

This is very true for most apps that are connected to a website, such as popular iPhone apps like Urbanspoon and banking websites, the RX-51 should be able to handle them easily. The only issue is the small screen eg. 4.2 inches was pushing it for Facebook and now 3.5 will be even worse.
Hopefully some useful extensions will come out/be ported over from firefox.

Architengi 2009-08-22 03:42

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Quote:

Originally Posted by christexaport (Post 314028)
I'd like to see Nimbuzz, a MySpace/Facebook realtime widget, an app that threads SMS/MMS along with email and IM in a threaded view, a TV streaming app like PiipTv, a web video stream capturer like Realplayer desktop does, a video editor suite, an HDR application for photos,

Can MobiTubia be ported from Symbian to Maemo? I like it. I don't know if there is a touch version for it.

sachin007 2009-08-22 03:55

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Architengi (Post 314263)
Can MobiTubia be ported from Symbian to Maemo? I like it. I don't know if there is a touch version for it.

Digia@scene is way better than mobitubia in all aspects... and of course there is mytube.

nilchak 2009-08-22 04:02

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With the great camera in the N900 built in, wouldnt some good photo sharing and video sharing apps be in the order ? What good is a camera phone and always connected tablet be of use if we cant integrate the two uses - photo/video and instant sharing.

I would definitely look for having apps like Shozu (available for S60) and QIK (also available for S60) be also available for the Maemo platform.

added : on further thought I might actually find it difficult to give up my N95 just because of these two criteria - a great camera and appps like Shozu to instantly share the photos to Flickr/Facebook/Blog site unless I fiind something equallyconvenient and featurefull.

christexaport 2009-08-22 04:11

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I'd like to make sure anyany video downloader isn't just for one service like YouTube. I want a universal downloader like Realplayer for Windows. By the way, hi, texr4t. We met at the Symbian Meetup last month in Arlington. Good to see our communities merging, with Qt linking Symbian and Maemo

ysss 2009-08-22 04:33

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Until offline capability (via google gears?) and mobile layout becomes the norm rather than exception, specialized apps (widgets?) can provide better experience for mobile devices with small screen.

I think this should be covered in usability 101 :)

amirtycoon 2009-08-22 05:06

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**well ovi store was block by nokia in IRAN and they sell many phones here.
for me nothing change.

**ovi store has too much bug that even buyer regret from buy another application.

**what is point of open source OS ?
that's mean no paying for software , if pay then why should i buy maemo when i can buy MIDs.

Architengi 2009-08-22 05:19

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ARJWright (Post 314004)
In terms of the other way around, Ovi Maps, Ovi Chat, Gravity, MWS, QuickOffice, Google Maps, and Nokia Friend View would be all solid Maemo offerings - if accessible from the Ovi Store.

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EDIT: Qt apps work equally well right now for Symbian and Maemo right? Given the screen resolutions of S60v5 devices, there just might be a whole lot of inerplay between the platforms in terms of apps...

I read Ovi Maps 3.0 comes now with Voice Guidance included, and free for lifetime, on Nokia XM 5800 Navigator Edition...

http://conversations.nokia.com/2009/...time-guidance/

So it seems Nokia gets it better...

Architengi 2009-08-22 05:32

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What do you think about these applications found on this contest:

http://www.callingallinnovators.com/...finalists.aspx

Pocket Life (from Wanaka, New Zealand) is an established location-based social network for web and mobile. As a location-based lifestyle app, with Pocket Life for Ovi Maps on your Nokia device, individuals can always be in touch with their closest friends, down to knowing precisely where they are at that given time. Using Pocket Life, individuals can discover new places, share photos, and quickly know their way around like a local.

How do you navigate when there are no roads? Ground Guidance with Ovi Maps solves this problem. With technology originally built for the U.S. Army

Smart Eggs will bring the thrill of discovery and surprise to your explorations when using Ovi Maps. Crack open a Smart Egg to get a multimedia review of the latest movie, or get tips about special promotions from nearby shops. This clever mobile app for brands, artists, and venues interacts with consumers at the local level.

me360 uses the one resource more powerful than the Internet: You. Specifically, the depth of your personal desires, interests and tastes.

msgBoard, created by Viktor Csala (based in Budapest, Hungary), is a mobile social networking application providing a virtual black board (similar to a normal black board, or magnetic white board that can be found in the home) to closed user groups, such as a family or a small group of close friends. With msgBoard, users can post notes (e.g., buy some milk on the way home) and can set alarms related to time or location-based information derived from Ovi Maps (attached, for instance, to the grocery store). When the appropriate condition applies (e.g., one of the members of the group approaches the store), a reminder appears on that individual’s phone informing the individual what he/she is supposed to do.

jandmdickerson 2009-08-22 06:37

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Quote:

Originally Posted by nilchak (Post 314267)
a great camera and appps like Shozu to instantly share the photos.

I believe there is a Canola plugin that allows flikr uploads, also gps-camera application.

nwerneck 2009-08-22 07:03

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I don't care much for the 'office' applications, Microsoft or not. DOC viewer might come handy... PDF reader is a must.

One thing I miss are more real time signal processing applications. Some examples mentioned around here lately are the iPhone ocarina and 4-track mixer apps, and barcode reader (QR code, etc), OCR... I started to make a vocoder gstreamer filter, let's see where it goes. :cool:

Being able to run Symbian or N-gage or other family of apps would be great, but I'm sure Mr. Willy Wokia tought of that and saw some kind of impediment. :(

jsmanrique 2009-08-22 09:51

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Quote:

Originally Posted by amirtycoon (Post 314282)
**what is point of open source OS ?
that's mean no paying for software , if pay then why should i buy maemo when i can buy MIDs.

FALSE, that's not the meaning of opensource:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_source

Open or Free software doesn't mean that they must cost $0

allnameswereout 2009-08-22 10:19

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There is difference between read support Office and read/write support Office. Read support is a must for most folks.

What I want is not too many applications which do approx same thing, but reusing of libraries and such instead, and consistency.

I'd love good sync & management like iTunes/iCalendar, and a good deal for Nokia Maps.

Anyway, good VPN client supporting wide range protocols and remote desktop and command line tools is my #1 thing.

Quote:

Originally Posted by debernardis (Post 314044)
You should see it from the eyes of one who has used for years the s60 browser. Coming to microb or tear might be a shocking experience. You have a real browser, and you don't need any more those "widgets" that call themselves apps.

Maybe Iphone owners will see the light, too.

You mean S60Browser uses a minute to load a page? Or that it doesn't have build-in RSS feed reader? On an unrelated note Fennec 1.0b3 out ;)

Architengi 2009-08-22 10:52

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N-Gage games would be a must.

There are over 100 games on download section of this site for OS2008, but how many of them are working in OS2009 or Maemo 5?

http://maemo.org/downloads/OS2008/ga...uct_dba_page=1

korbé 2009-08-22 11:53

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Personally, I do not want any of these programs.

I do not even want any proprietary software.

But I agree to pay for a Free and Open Source Software.
Or for a copy, or by donations.

YoDude 2009-08-22 12:50

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mobiledivide (Post 314050)
This is very true for most apps that are connected to a website, such as popular iPhone apps like Urbanspoon and banking websites, the RX-51 should be able to handle them easily. The only issue is the small screen eg. 4.2 inches was pushing it for Facebook and now 3.5 will be even worse.
Hopefully some useful extensions will come out/be ported over from firefox.

It is also true for HTML stored locally on the tablet. These pages can be coded to the tablets format or edited to retrieve only the required information with no ads or tracking cookies. :)

For me, this has been the biggest advantage the NIT's have over other devices...
I have been disappointed that more discussion, shared code, tricks, etc. are not posted on this forum. I mean HTML and its variants on NIT's truly are "code in your hands". Anyone with a desktop browser that can save pages as text files has the SDK and with a simple text editor can start making changes. :cool:


christexaport 2009-08-22 13:25

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Quote:

Originally Posted by allnameswereout (Post 314321)
You mean S60Browser uses a minute to load a page? Or that it doesn't have build-in RSS feed reader? On an unrelated note Fennec 1.0b3 out ;)

Nokia OSS web browser does take awhile to load a page, but not nearly as long as before. N97 and N86 browsers are alot faster than before. And they've always had a built in RSS reader, and I hope Maemo has one similar built into the browser. I'm beginning to use the one built into Vista/IE, and I think as long as Maemo has a similar experience, I'll be ok.

I'm not a big Firefox guy, but Fennec on a mobile should be exciting. Why didn't Nokia go with a Webkit browser for Maemo instead, though?

jsmanrique 2009-08-22 13:28

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mobiledivide (Post 314050)
[...]The only issue is the small screen eg. 4.2 inches was pushing it for Facebook and now 3.5 will be even worse.

Reason to use Facebook's mobile site (m.facebook.com or i.facebook.com). Sites should be accessible and ready for mobile devices...

About widgets, gadgets, or whatever their are named (nice article about them), Nokia already has some experience on this, like Opera. And these apps doesn't need to be fulltime connected to a website, so they can extend internet/web experience in disconnected environments. So yes, I think some kind of standard runtime evironment should be included ;-)

Architengi 2009-08-31 08:44

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Originally Posted by Peter@Maemo Marketing :

Let me explain what Maemo Select is: Maemo Select is a place where we can promote selected apps and other valuable content. Nokia's one and only place to distribute apps is the OVI Store. Maemo Select will take you to maemo.org for downloads of community applications. And Maemo Select will point you to Ovi Store for commercial-grade content. We just need to see and wait if and when that Ovi Store on the N900 is up and running.

If Ovi store will have commercial applications and "Maemo Select" will have selected applications, does it mean the selected applications will be:
* open source/ code available?
* free (free binary)
* free or paid, but a selection of the apps in ovi store for maemo?

Architengi 2009-08-31 08:46

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will ovi store for Maemo host free apps as well or only paid commercial apps, and the free apps will be on maemo.org or on maemo select?

JeromeV 2009-08-31 09:06

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I would pay for maemo port of introversion games (defcon & uplink).

Khertan 2009-08-31 09:35

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Other -> PyGTKEditor ...

REMFwhoopitydo 2009-08-31 10:21

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the n900 must have a mechanism for securely* buying commercial content including games.

nokia should release an Ovi client for the n900 and roll their nGage division into that.

* from both the developers point of view as well as the customer.

Architengi 2009-08-31 19:14

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Quote:

Originally Posted by REMFwhoopitydo (Post 318703)
the n900 must have a mechanism for securely* buying commercial content including games.

nokia should release an Ovi client for the n900 and roll their nGage division into that.

* from both the developers point of view as well as the customer.

"Ovi Store" for Maemo was confirmed by qgil and Peter@Marketing-Nokia, but there is no date, and there is no confirmation on a native client for Ovi Store for Maemo, like N97 has.

Also N97 has N-Gage client. Because it is written in C++ (the N-Gage service/not older the device was bought by Nokia from other gaming company), it will be a very smart move to port N-Gage platform to Mameo and to integrate it into OVI as a new category.

Architengi 2009-08-31 19:16

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Architengi (Post 319040)
"Ovi Store" for Maemo was confirmed by qgil and Peter@Marketing-Nokia, but there is no date, and there is no confirmation on a native client for Ovi Store for Maemo, like N97 has.

Also N97 has N-Gage client. Because it is written in C++ (the N-Gage service/not older the device was bought by Nokia from other gaming company), it will be a very smart move to port N-Gage platform to Mameo and to integrate it into OVI as a new category.


Looking at the POLL in this thread, most of the people choosed to have N-Gage, followed by MS Office applications. I believe Nokia needs to provide N-Gage to N900 Maemo devices, because there is a big customer demand for it.

sjgadsby 2009-08-31 19:17

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Architengi (Post 319040)
"Ovi Store" for Maemo was confirmed by qgil and Peter@Marketing-Nokia, but there is no date, and there is no confirmation on a native client for Ovi Store for Maemo...

Man, if only there were some major event coming up when Nokia could reveal such details.

Texrat 2009-08-31 19:20

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Quote:

Originally Posted by sjgadsby (Post 319043)
Man, if only there were some major event coming up when Nokia could reveal such details.

Or two (2).

Architengi 2009-08-31 19:22

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Texrat (Post 319046)
Or two (2).

2 major events coming up? Tomorrow is Nokia World... <s>what else?</s>

Edit: Maemo summit, isn't it?

allnameswereout 2009-08-31 19:26

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Architengi (Post 319049)
2 major events coming up? Tomorrow is Nokia World... what else?

Maemo Summit.

Architengi 2009-08-31 19:29

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Ok, this thread is not about when exactly Ovi Store will be released for Maemo, it will be nice to know, we know Ovi Store for Maemo was confirmed.

This thread is mainly about:

1) What applications should be in OVI STORE for Maemo to make it compete with AppStore? What apps do you want to see in Ovi Store for maemo?

2) What Nokia will provide as development tools in the package for Ovi Store publishing besides the SDK, what tools?
Can we do the development directly on N900? Or do we need an emulator in Windows?

Architengi 2009-09-01 01:37

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I found the most downloaded applications from maemo.org site - so many downloads - about 5 000 000 (5 miliions downloads) right now. This shows Maemo platform very popular!

http://maemo.org/downloads/downloads/OS2008/25/


I also think the poll option OVI Maps is not correct because it is pre-installed on the device, so no need to download it from the Ovi store, only for the existing devices, if it is compatible with the old devices...


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