Re: Ovi store for maemo
 

pliz let's make things simple and easy.

Nokia should enbale java and symbians platforms on the new Nxx. so that those willing to pay for an application, will in the java and symbians catalogue. and those those that don't have free money to give to ovi will continue using maemo applications.
if i have money to give, I prefert to "donate" it directly to the developers than to put it in ovi market (sorry!).
pliz nokia people, by buying the N900 you would have earn enougth from me, if now you want to sell me applications that used to be free just because u did a litle upgrade, thas would be shameful! (honestly shameful)

Re: Ovi store for maemo
 

pliz let's make things simple and easy.

Nokia should enbale java and symbians platforms on the new Nxx. so that those willing to pay for an application, will in the java and symbians catalogue. and those those that don't have free money to give to ovi will continue using maemo applications.
if i have money to give, I prefert to "donate" it directly to the developers than to put it in ovi market (sorry!).
pliz nokia people, by buying the N900 you would have earn enougth from me, if now you want to sell me applications that used to be free just because u did a litle upgrade, thas would be shameful! (honestly shameful)

Re: Ovi store for maemo
 

Java is a virtual machine which emulates java programs.

Symbian applications are native applications for Symbian OS. The only way to have them on another OS (Linux, Windows, Mac OSX) is to have a Symbian Virtual Machine. Like the DOS Box Virtual Machine on Symbian where DOS and Windows 3.1, even Win95 apps can be run. But they are run slow in a virtual machine or emulator, and many apps cannot be run because of drivers or special libraries.

Short story: To run Symbian apps on another OS a VM is needed but even then those apps might not run, and if they run, that will be at half speed.

Re: Ovi store for maemo
 

An article comparing Google's Android store vs Apple's AppStore:

http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/08/31...-meager-sales/

It's interesting how\why google made some obvious 'mistakes' in handling the user's overall purchase experience.

Re: Ovi store for maemo
 

lessons to be learnt from the android experience:
http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/01/p...living-off-th/

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Many people asked for N-Gage platform on Maemo. It looks the most popular request as application category.

Hopefully, Nokia listen to the customers.

Nokia said at Nowkia World in Germany, the N-Gage is not yet on Maemo because Maemo does not support DRM.

Re: Ovi store for maemo
 

What makes you think the java and Symbian apps will cost? Most good Symbian apps are in fact free, like JBak Taskman. Maemo doesn't corner the market for free apps, not in the least. In fact, most of the good apps aren't even in the Ovi Store, but many that are are totally free.

And if a developer uses the Ovi channel to distribute his apps, it is good to use the Ovi Store to support the delivery infrastructure, which will allow users to discover more apps more easily, and allow the developer to make more money from a larger pool of users.

I do hope the N900 can run java apps, just because they are plenty and simple.

Re: Ovi store for maemo
 

Another example of split personality disorder in the company.

Sooner or later this Maemo/S60 struggle is going to have to be resolved...

Re: Ovi store for maemo
 

You'd be surprised how supportive (and envious) the Symbian folks are of Maemo.

Tim

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This is interesting I remember going to an S60 meetup with Symbian developers and team members a couple of years ago with my N800 which I was SUPER excited about. The couple of symbian Nokians whom I talked to were dismissive and disdainful of the tablet and maemo in general, and basically said it was doomed and that the web browser was craptacular (Opera at the time), essentially laughing me out of the room for paying for the tablet instead of an N95. It's funny how the mighty have faltered.

On Topic : I simply can't see an Ovi store being extremely competitive on maemo as currently constituted. Commercially I think service oriented apps such as Rhapsody, Gizmo and Skype are where to make money. Things such as 99c apps will be hard to make financially successful with 1 million users without some kind of recurring payment.

Re: Ovi store for maemo
 

>>> What apps do you want to see in Ovi Store for Maemo?

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i cant understand why ppl are voting for EA n-gage games, anyone who follows n-gage will know that EA games are worst on the n-gage platform they are direct ports from standard mobile versions
theres much better games to play and get ported i'd start with the first party games from nokia there is some awesome titles

Re: Ovi store for maemo
 

No I was talking about those that are not 4 free. and even if they try to make us paying 4 the free ones, we kown where to find them free.

Re: Ovi store for maemo
 

I fully agree. From what we know today, unless you intend on building your own copy-protections (which requires extra effort, *will* cause problems for some and eventually *will* get hacked), the only realistic and clean way of getting money from Maemo users is where the value is not in the executable itself, but either a service or a subscription. With always-online functionality this will be easier to do, but standalone applications could still find it hard to jump that hurdle.

Re: Ovi store for maemo
 

I totally disagree. If the Ovi purchase/installation process is made sufficiently seamless, I think Maemo software packages will sell well.

Come on, learn from Apple. If they can make money selling non-DRM music through iTunes, Maemo developers can certainly make money selling non-DRM software through Ovi.

If the infrastructure is good enough, 90% of real end-users will pay 99c upwards per software package for a seamless experience. And the remaining 10% can make the slight extra effort to get their software legally and for free.

That's a feature, not a bug!

Regards,
Roger

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exactly, eiffel. By using the Ovi Store, which host TONS of free software, as a channel to deliver the FREE and paid apps as well as service related subscriptionware. This is already done for Symbian. Some of the software is hacked and available online if you are a pirate type, but just like iPhones, most of the people will access apps via the Ovi Store, not rob and steal. Even jailbroken iPhone users still buy apps. I have hacked every Symbian device I've owned, but I still will buy apps. So having the free Maemo apps there as well builds the Ovi brand as well as forces the retailware to be stellar. Basically what I'm saying is Nokia would be wise to BRAND? the Application manager as an Ovi Store branch, and allow paid apps in the delivery channel.

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But there are two distinct OS cultures within the company now, one rising and one perhaps waning especially now that it's been released to a foundation. Sure, no doubt there are many who feel as you say-- but there are still some kinks to work out in the overall organization.

Re: Ovi store for maemo
 

I don't know, Texrat. Some of us Symbianers see the advantages we have over Maemo as well, and Symbian could be adapted easily to Maemo's level of browsing, and will share Qt apps, so lines will actually blur. Symbian will appear in some high end hardware again and for awhile in the future, from the looks of things. Maemo starts at N900 and goes up, but Symbian goes across those borders and meets at the Maemo low end, which isn't a bad thing.

Re: Ovi store for maemo
 

I think any imaging flagship should be symbian at this point of Maemo's development.

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Agreed, Chris, but I hear there is still some uncertainty there, and not all on the outside...

And yet, the N900 is Maemo.

Re: Ovi store for maemo
 

Hey, for 99c software it might work (but still being less profitable than other platforms), and that's the reason iTunes can work, too (the single unit costs very little). However, at that point you put a brake on complex (commercial) software that requires serious budgets (how strong a platform needs to be to sustain development and marketing of something like, say Real Racing for 99c ?).

What you're talking about is not commercial development - it's a formalized donation scheme. It's OK but it IS a marked difference.

Re: Ovi store for maemo
 

no one says apps MUST be $0.99. The App Store has $15 apps I know of.

And Texrat, the N900 is nice, but the imaging beast is the N86. (or N82, or N93, depending upon who you ask...) The form factor is the biggest thing with an imaging device, which Nokia hasn't adressed for awhile now. We expect an N93 replacement mid to late 2010.

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I just hope to God it has the 850 band. My son is so frustrated that he can't use his N93 on AT&T's network... and IMO it was ridiculous to leave that band out of such a high-priced item that had the margins to "eat" the minor cost increase. Quadband had no problem making it to lesser-priced items... :rolleyes: /OT

Re: Ovi store for maemo
 

Once LTE and WiMax get traction, 3G access will gain priority, and we may see the first quadband WCDMA radios in mobile devices soon, much like the GSM and EDGE data radios from the past couple decades. I'm thinking 2-3 years.

But back on topic...

I don't know if I mentioned this, but I'd like to see an app to capture embedded web video streams, like RealPlayer SP. I just love cataloging video clips that interest me.

Re: Ovi store for maemo
 

a) The App Store *does* have DRM

b) In the App Store a 'send/share your favorite app with your friends' app can never happen (unlike on Maemo)

Re: Ovi store for maemo
 

I think it all depends on the user.

If you look at the world of Mobile device users there are two groups of them, you can call it Us and them.

We love the fact that we have new Maemo devices
They love the fact their new nokia

We want to load anything we wan on our device
They want to EASILY find and load cool new farting apps on thier phone

WE are buying a platform to define an experience
They are buying an experience delivered by thier phone

What we cannot forget is that (most likely) 90% of the people who will buy th en900 of future Maemo phones will not be spectacularly tech savy never mind developers. They want something that "just works" is easy to work with and is fun.

With this said I think that nokia should bundle Ovi store or some analogue with Maemo devices, if the you do not want to use it, you understand the power of the technology and the platform and can go get it else where. As we have already seen on Symbian, just because it comes with Ovi, you are not forced to buy through Ovi.

On sharing app's, It should be dependent on the developer, It will be up to determine if they built free-ware or not. If Ovi can act as a licenses mediation tool, more power to it!

Re: Ovi store for maemo
 

Ovi for Maemo was confirmed, we just don't know the date.

What applications would you want from Ovi store?

Re: Ovi store for maemo
 

all of them! That is the point of the Ovi Store. All Maemo apps should be there.

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Another advantage for Maemo, and another reason why there will be buyers for Maemo apps from Ovi. Some kinds of people love to be the first to buy any new toy, and will enjoy the karma they get from sharing the app with their friends.

If only Ovi for Maemo will be sufficiently seamless as to offer a good experience.

Roger

Re: Ovi store for maemo
 

I'm not sure we're talking about the same thing. When I say send/share, I mean they can LITERALLY send/share that application to friends (not an IM invitation or email to buy!) It doesn't matter how seamless Ovi is in that case, as people will be able to receive apps *before* they even have the chance of thinking about whether it's worth buying or not, and to make it worse people might not even be aware what they are doing is 'detrimental' to the store.

Re: Ovi store for maemo
 

Yes, we're talking about the same thing. The freedom to share is one of the great things about libre software.

Nevertheless, SOMEONE needs to buy at least one copy before the sharing can start. In practice, there will be lots of circles of sharing, with lots of people buying early copies (just so that they can be the cool one amongst their friends, sharing all the latest software).

Suppose I've installed Maemo Mapper from a freebie, and one day a dialog box pops up saying "A new version has been released with extra features X, Y and Z. Do you want to (a) install it from Ovi for 99 cents, or (b) install a free copy from someone else later". Because I'm a cheapskate and a developer, I may choose option (b) but plenty of people will choose option (a).

Think of bottled water. You can get water essentially for free from a tap, yet there are shelves at the store full of bottled water being sold successfully for profit.

The Threshold Pledge System is also relevant to the development of free software.

Regards,
Roger

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Libre ? Why would you need Ovi for libre software ? If you're libre, it's 'extras' material and you already have donation procedures under discussion for that. Extras is specially centralized and streamlined exactly to provide a streamless experience for users. You really need Ovi only for stuff that is either commercial or free as in beer.

Ever heard the Sveasoft story ? I'm sorry, but I simply fail to see this as a valid business model, the GPL is *designed* exactly to prevent such situations. The closest thing to that is stuff like RedHat, but even there, the point is in the service, not the box. So until I see those shelves (successfully) bearing loads of GPL-ed software allow me to be sceptical. In other words, I simply disagree :)

People don't buy bottled water because they think it's hip or support the 'cause' of water producers. They buy it because they *do* think it is different (healthier, more safe, etc) from tap water (whether that is true or not is a different story altogether).

Re: Ovi store for maemo
 

Actually with Nokia going social, you could recommend an app to "friends" and have it pushed to them or send it via bluetooth. Either way, there could be an accounting system if one was put in place. Say let the Ovi Store app do the sending...

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But they already are in the app manager. So why a "store"? Because everyone and his dog have one?

That the app manager might need some beautification loving is on a different set of cards, sur.

Re: Ovi store for maemo
 

The joy of all of this is that everyone will get their wish. The people who want a easy to use, seamless experience with a central payment system will use that. People who want to go to the source or get software from your friends, or whatever can do that.

The social value of the store is the shared rating system. You get to find out other people opinions about 'cool' software without even having to know them to have them...

At the end of the day people will create their own stores, and the market will drive adoption based upon usefulness.

Re: Ovi store for maemo
 

range, you are missing my point. I'm speaking from a branding point of view. The apps are all in one spot, and you don't have any separate app stores or delivery systems. This is what makes the iPhone somewhat simple to get apps for, and something I myself don't need, but it makes it easy for new users.

Most Nokia device users will be coming from S40 and S60, and want the Ovi Store. It has nothing to do with buying the app, because alot of the content in the Ovi Store is free anyway. I just think making the App Manager say "Ovi Store" just drives that point home. And some Maemo developers might want to charge money for their work, and that is fine, too.

Tell me this. What does it bother you or anyone else if the icon for App Manager is redrawn to say Ovi Store? If the apps are still mainly free, and the opportunity to possibly sell apps is added but not required, what difference will it make? None. But the advantage is letting new users know that Ovi is present to deliver 100% of the available apps for the platform, and it could never be a disadvantage to build a brand you've already spent money on.

Re: Ovi store for maemo
 

Range, the "store" colloquialism is just that. What it really means is "get apps here!!" on every Nokia device. In the past, the "store" didn't have a complete collection, but Maemo's does, for the most part. I'm just saying call it Ovi and improve the perception of the brand and make a benchmark for the rest of the Nokia portfolio to build upon.

Re: Ovi store for maemo
 

and what about country which nokia block OVI service there like whole middle east??
NOKIA sell many cellphone in middle east , and non of the costumers even get small support!!!!!
in my country samsung take the place of NOKIA, :D
down NOKIA...

Re: Ovi store for maemo
 

The App Manager is just a front ent for a Linux distribution system, backed up with a complete development infrastructure (this would be the autobuilder). One of the greatest advantages of Maemo is exactly that the package management is not some made up standard, but something millions of Linux machines use. So, if you want to REPLACE that with Ovi, you might just as well throw half of Maemo (and the applications in extras) out the window.

Re: Ovi store for maemo
 

There's at least one missing option. I for one don't like the ovi store concept to start with, and I would like an option to say that I don't want any of those apps via ovi store.