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It's not about computers or submarines.
If you buy something - you read the label, if you don't understand what you're buying - ask. If you still don't understand, think hard if you should buy something that you have no idea of and are unwilling to learn it.
Isn't that common sense?

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even though one could use the hdmi - connector to do something mysterious to screen size? 30" eizo for example?

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I like this gadget but it's not for me. Making cheap effective gadgets for the classroom is probably the future of marketing strategies. We can connect people but we still can't get much work done. Fix that problem and these devices will sell by the millions. You see I have news, mobile devices aren't just cheap hardware that you can carry around, we're beyond the portability thing. They're a small easy to manage footprint that connects people and work. Add the x86 instruction set to a mobile device and you have quite a few options. If it can have Windows, it can have anything else. I proved that.

Add the x86-64 instruction and it really can have anything. That's why I would recommend this device(after seeing the ENTIRE hardware vendor list of course...).

:)

As for me? I'm probably going to find a cheap HP TC1100 tablet somewhere on eBay for around $300. Sure I like the Nokias but the hardware just doesn't cut it for my standards AND the price. My N810 has GPS, has Pidgen, a decent remote control client and a minimalist Skype for when I need it. With simple communication tools I use my N810 as a mobile terminal connection. So far it works well as long as I do just that. What I need is a device that can handle(READ: USE) large documents with minimal I/O lag.

I don't really have buyer's remorse with my Nokia but it helped me discover there is definitely something else that I need to be using for a main computer other than these absurdly powerful desktops. When an application lags out(and dies) because of other apps in the foreground or stalls on saving large documents due to a weak CPU, it's a bit frustrating and I seriously don't need any more of that.

If I could find a cheap mobile pocketable device that has decent graphics acceleration on a 1024x768 res and a semi-weak midrange CPU like one of VIA's C7s or the Intel Atom, I doubt the eee PC would ever see the light of day again let alone previous model Nokias and potential competitors. Adding tablet input, it's a fast paced development system that can be used for an art box. Add a graphics accelerator and I have a powerful game device. Don't really need a large video out port when an MP3 player can detect a certain input jack that can be used to present audio and video(think about that). Add vmware and I have a mobile server. Beat THAT Steve Jobs! o_O

I like USB ports, they should be a standard on ALL mobile devices. At the very least. Recession or not, the pocket computing platform needs to evolve. Now.

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No, that is the ideal situation. The actual situation is that people need a computer but for every minute they have to spend on learning new things about it, there's one minute they'd rather use on something else lost. They will gather the information they think they need, or they will ask for advice from someone they know. Those someones opinions are usually based on a quite different point of view.

Most people care more about their spare time than their operation system. They are told to buy this or that computer by people who do care more about the operating systems than the poor consumers spare time.

Personally, I am quite ignorant about dog breeding and cat races. Knowledge for the sake of knowledge is not a point in itself. People want a computer they can use without too much fuzz.

And RTFM is a four letter word.

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We kind of lost focus. The point was...

NOKIA RECOMMENDS WINDOWS

To whom are you recommending it ? Everybody ? I sure hope not. If someone REQUIRES windows, it's not a question of recommendation. OTOH, if someone is dumb, or, far more often, lazy, let him pay the extra M$ fee (both monetary and performance/amortization) and be done with it. However, don't rob other users from the *CHOICE* of technically fully possible alternatives, WHATEVER the reason for their preference.

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I feel like I am defending their recommandation, but this whole thing has turned into "people buy windows because they're ignorant and they shouldn't be allowed a computer at all"

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The problem is (from my viewpoint) marketing (you know, the glove in the face thing).

How can you, almost in the same breath, recommend windows, and at the same time launch/push a *VERTICAL* OS that is NOT Windows ? Am I the only who feels a slight logic indeficiency here ?

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Who has been talking about vertical OS? Eldar Murtazin? Would you really like to use Maemo5 UI and apps on laptop?

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As Quim said just previously: "Sorry but do you mind specifying your sources? In our communication we are always clear that Maemo focuses on touchscreen devices that fit in your pocket."

Which vertical OS are you referring to? Has Nokia ever said that for instance Maemo would be a vertical OS?

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I get what you're saying; however after dealing with companies like Hercules Inc., a company that made a wide range of products from rocket fuel to tv dinners (no joke), what Nokia is doing is offering a wide range of products.

Whether or not they will sync down the line, I'm curious to see that answered.

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I sure hope they don't recommend any other half baked operating system that won't have 100% hardware\software support on it. And seeing that this press release was intended for 'the rest of the world', recommending the industry standard may be the logical thing to do as well.

Oh, and I bet it's part of their usage license and marketing agreement as well.

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Sorry to insist: I'm not aware of anybody positioning Maemo as a vertical OS at Nokia.

You mention rumours in the Internet and I keep referring to Nokia communications. Since you are blaming Nokia on this, please refer to whatever Nokia is saying and doing. It will help you understand. :)

I'm quite sure ragnar and myself make the same use of the term 'devices', meaning 'mobile devices' = fitting in your pocket.

And when I refer to the full announcement in Nokia World I just mean that look at those features, imagine them running with commercial quality in Linux and do your maths. Someone was assuming in this thread that the drivers just work with Linux. Have you checked that is true against this hardware?.

For starters, the promotional video mentions things like "secure corporate email" (where MS has a big stack) and "Nokia Music Store" (I don't know the details, but I guess some DRM is in the play). I'm only looking at the public information today and I don't know more myself, but if you have a slight idea of the technologies involved, developing the same features and user experience with Linux is not trivial.

If you only care about the hardware and Linux that's fine, but that would be a different product than the one announced yesterday. Even if the hardware would be common and decently supported at a driver level.

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Guys, this is not a smartphone - Nokia smartphones will run S60 and Maemo 5 starting with the N900. The N900 will be the first of many Maemo 5 devices which represents a massive investment from Nokia and also happens to be awesomely cool :cool:

Nokia's netbook launch comes from a belief that they can make money from this business with the added benefit that they can increase the penetration of their mobile phone services (Ovi Maps, Mail, Files, Music Store, Apps, Sync, etc.)

To quote Nokia: "we are in the business of connecting people"

OK, but if you were Nokia how would you maximise your chances of success in the already crowded and competitive netbook market?

The key is product differentiation, which at first sounds pretty tricky - I mean it's just another intel atom / windows netbook right?

Well here's what they've come up with:

1. Connecting People - Best in class built in 3G/HSPA radios + A-GPS, with hot-swappable SIM card, advanced power management and full software support.

2. Battery life - Best in class battery life - up to 12 hours. Nokia knows a thing or 2 about battery technology and power management.

3. Design & Feature Set - Nokia "industrial design", solid aluminium construction, HD glass screen, HDMI out. Increased "desirability" helps to increase margins.

4. Distribution - Mobile operators are inclreasingly selling subsidised netbooks together with data plans. In Europe 25% of all netbooks are bought from operators. Nokia already has these distribution relationships and the channels are wide open.

The OS has to be Windows in order to compete. Windows has over 80% of the netbook market and rising. The choice of Windows 7 "Netbook Edition" will add some gloss to the launch period as other products still run XP or Vista badly.

I think that they have a real chance of carving out a solid and profitable niche based on their product differentiation and competitive strengths.

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The first of two Maemo devices the next 9 months.

How many Android devices the next 9 months?

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You know... I was going to respond to a few more things in this thread, but the truth of the matter is that it's a lost cause and just not worth it.

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Atom had nothing to do with it -- netbooks started with 900 MHz Celerons, and the MID-focused Menlow/Atom program shifted to emphasize netbooks only after they became an unexpected success. And IMO, the cost and size are what made the market, and one of those (cost) was a big driver for Linux as well, forcing MS to trim license prices to get XP on them.

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OK, I must admit to being a bit provocative. I believe Eldar did that longinsh musing of how great a vertical OS Maemo will make for Nokia. I am of course perfectly aware that his... analyses... have absolutely no burden of being actually correct, but I was pondering the same thing. I wouldn't think putting the Maemo UI on a netbook, but the lower layers, APIs, with all the mobility stuff coming in, DID make sense to put under a custom tailored front-end UI to extend the platform for road warriors. Well, apparently not.

Hey, I have big pockets. Too bad this kind of hints no 5"+ tablet/mediapad/whatever in the foreseeable future (hey, we have to jump to at least SOME conclusions :) ).

On another note, this does touch on communications a bit. When you keep features as major as cellular voice under wraps, it's beginning to be a real guessing game as to what this Maemo thing will be in the end... It IS kind of funny to tell people, hey I'm developing sofware for an upcoming device for almost a year now. What device, you say ? Well I don't know exactly, but it has a touch screen and fits into a pocket ! I understand *your* reasons for keeping things tight, but please understand the flip side, too.

PS. I do feel the 'Nokia recommends Windows' sticker is cheapish. Sorry.

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^about the best thing said in this thread so far...

... and if I might add, a lot of people on this board and elsewhere compare any future smart phone offering to Apples iPhone. Well that horse is already out of the barn and beyond anyones grasp. This Nokia Booklet however, now sets the bar for everyone else to be compared to.

Nokia's build quality and hardware is usually top notch. It is what will eventually set it apart from its competition in this form factor. It needed software on the device that does not detract from this perception. For that, M/S windows fits the bill. Even if the software did suck... it would not be Nokia's problem. :)

Some may also see this as a market dilution for Maemo devices it's not. It is a Market expansion for Nokia into high powered non touch screen devices, imho.

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A Windows computer is an "EPIC FAIL"? That's a good one!

Do I have to remind you the Microsoft Windows market share? Or Linux netbooks return rates?

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That's why I feel Android is going win in the long run in terms of marketshare.

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Hey, that's apples and oranges. As in, Apple does one iPhone device a *year*, and still isn't the last in terms of market share.

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A French blogger, via a German site, just dropped a price for the booklet : 799$ / 559€.

(sorry if it's been posted already, I tried to catch up on the thread in a hurry and didn't see it).

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You're right, they're apples and oranges, but isn't the Android platform is more of a direct competitor to the Maemo platform than iPhone OS or Windows Mobile?

The Android devices are showing that the platform has a lot of momentum. I mean, when the N810 was released, there was a total of no Android devices. The landscape has changed a lot in a year.

The competition have taken leaps the last year. HTC Touch Pro2, Hero, Omnia HD. There are a phones with quite interesting hardware on all the platforms, now. And it seems Android will soon enough be a competitor to this Booklet, too.

I think Nokia does not seem to have sufficient momentum on this platform. It has taken too long to get here and the speed doesn't seem to be changing all that much.

Now, obviously I have opted to go for Maemo and the N810 over all and every alternatives. And I am excited about the N900. But the N810 didn't really have all that much competition, ya? At least I hadn't seen any when I stumbled over the N810. I was actually originally looking to find a cell phone with a good browser. This year, there seems to be a lot more options.

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It makes sense to worry about Android, but lets not forget that:

a) Nokia can outsell every single Android device put together.
b) Android is crippled by design. It's going to look even less appealing on more powerful devices.
c) Even if Maemo has a slow start, Nokia has Debian's huge repositories backing it up.

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All I'm saying is that the measure of a popularity of a platform is not the number of devices *released*, but devices *sold*. Sometimes there's a correlation between the two, sometimes there isn't.

PS. If fpp's price info is correct, I take back what I said about the corporate aspect, with that price it IS exec material.

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Absolutely, and yet there's a trend here. Look at Nokia here. And these numbers are old, The "Android effect" in 2009 will make this change considerably.

http://static.arstechnica.com/2009/0...hone-sales.png

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I didn't say you couldn't make it off the lot... I just said you would notice ;)

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Yet Nokia is staying afloat even with S60. And in 2010, they'll have to compete against the N900.

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HIL-AR-I-OUS!

This thread is about the Booklet (poorly named IMHO).

book⋅let
  /ˈbʊklɪt/ –noun
a little book, esp. one with paper covers; pamphlet.

RTFB!

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Market share is so true but I question the Linux Netbook returns. Dell has said there is no difference between MS and Linux Netbook returns.

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I saw the comment as humor, but the author would have to enlighten us. So here is Nokia with already two phone OS's for their devices. They just announce a product with Windows. Why not at add Android as a third phone OS for their device portfolio? For that matter, what about WinMo as a fourth phone OS? It would really complement the booklet. And it's not as if they couldn't handle the support issues.

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I just got this Moblin Zone article in my e-mail box this morning. It starts with the following paragraph (emphasis mine):

If Maemo and Nokia aren't planning anything other than handhelds, someone better let the folks at Moblin know!

EDIT: Maybe they're planning to call it Moblin for the netbooks and Maemo for the handhelds, with the same infrastructure underneath different UIs.

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We can argue about user expectations and education all day long, and that will remain true no matter what.

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Just watch as Symbian is slowly diminished.

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Yup, a lot have been reporting that it'll be $799. Unless the carrier subsidizes it to about $99 (or free), I think it'll fail.

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Well just install (K)ubuntu / CrunchBang or any other penguin on it ... and it runs faster even with only 1GB of RAM.

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Lots cheaper than the N97 or N900 and far more powerful !

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And don't forget hardware is often more expensive in the EU than elsewhere. I don't think you can just use the exchange rate to compare.

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I'm sorry. $799 for a netbook with a 1.6ghz Intel Atom processor that can only do 720p, if pushed properly?

Hell no. Nokia is just like Sony... pricing themselves out of the competition.

That's insane. For a $100 bucks more, I can get a better equipped MacBook. Or a much better equipped Dell or... anybody.

$799 USD? What the hell Nokia? I pray that's a typo.

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Even if it's because of my ignorance, I could care less about Symbian. It's been easy for me to avoid since Nokia has yet to have a Symbian offering on smartphone hardware I'd actually want. The specs of the N97 were a fail for me from the beginning, and a small amount of phone OS contraction couldn't hurt. Thanks for all of your contributions Symbian, now, good riddance.