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Bobbe 2009-08-31 18:29
Re: Now it's official: Maemo 5 and the N900 launch!
 
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Originally Posted by Texrat (Post 318991)
Understood, but I tend to avoid those situations. ;)

Different use cases for different users to be sure. It remains to be seen how much negative impact Nokia's MMS decision will have on N900 launch success.
I wouldn't bet on 'not much' here. Regarding the target demographic you mentioned, Texrat, wouldn't that basically (also) be a similar market to that of those who purchased an iphone? Not necessarily cheap on purchase, but heavy on monthly fees because of a data plan? And weren't those the same people who nagged about sms for a full year and a half, so much that they had to eventually put it there in the end? Shouldn't Nokia have learned from that?

I honestly don't use mms as a rule of thumb, but I end up using it from time to time because of other people's phones not being able to get e-mail. The problem is not necessarily that we don't have a feature that a R$30 phone has. I get the paradigm change. The problem is not being able to send a picture to that R$30 phone, cause it won't have any other way of getting it. That's what nags users, including (IMHO) those who purchase the N900. To have a phone that does wonders, but doesn't handle the simple. Kinda agree that it should be available on launch, even if not technically justifiable. It's not about 'technically justifiable', I believe. It's about people's perspective on it.

At least that's what it seems to me to be happening here.

ysss 2009-08-31 18:32
Re: Now it's official: Maemo 5 and the N900 launch!
 
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Originally Posted by SD69 (Post 319011)
So if I am 40 something, am I in or out of the target demographic? :D
yes, if you're not here =P

Texrat 2009-08-31 18:34
Re: Now it's official: Maemo 5 and the N900 launch!
 
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Originally Posted by SD69 (Post 319011)
So if I am 40 something, am I in or out of the target demographic? :D
It's been a while since I saw the workup on this. ;)

But I'm 48 and I'm in it. These tend to be heavily-matrixed anyway. Nokia loooves matrices.

Texrat 2009-08-31 18:36
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Originally Posted by Bobbe (Post 319012)
I wouldn't bet on 'not much' here. Regarding the target demographic you mentioned, Texrat, wouldn't that basically (also) be a similar market to that of those who purchased an iphone? Not necessarily cheap on purchase, but heavy on monthly fees because of a data plan? And weren't those the same people who nagged about sms for a full year and a half, so much that they had to eventually put it there in the end? Shouldn't Nokia have learned from that?

I honestly don't use mms as a rule of thumb, but I end up using it from time to time because of other people's phones not being able to get e-mail. The problem is not necessarily that we don't have a feature that a R$30 phone has. I get the paradigm change. The problem is not being able to send a picture to that R$30 phone, cause it won't have any other way of getting it. That's what nags users, including (IMHO) those who purchase the N900. To have a phone that does wonders, but doesn't handle the simple. Kinda agree that it should be available on launch, even if not technically justifiable. It's not about 'technically justifiable', I believe. It's about people's perspective on it.

At least that's what it seems to me to be happening here.
Again: MMS won't be there at launch. Surely enough hints were dropped to indicate this isn't a permanent showstopper...

zerojay 2009-08-31 18:40
Re: Now it's official: Maemo 5 and the N900 launch!
 
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Originally Posted by SD69 (Post 319011)
So if I am 40 something, am I in or out of the target demographic? :D
That depends. Do you have a Unix beard? :)

SD69 2009-08-31 18:46
Re: Now it's official: Maemo 5 and the N900 launch!
 
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Originally Posted by zerojay (Post 319019)
That depends. Do you have a Unix beard? :)
gawd no. Let's not reignite the Unix wars but I am more of an east coast AT&T type than a Berkeley type (except for the music).

benny1967 2009-08-31 19:15
Re: Now it's official: Maemo 5 and the N900 launch!
 
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Originally Posted by SD69 (Post 319011)
So if I am 40 something, am I in or out of the target demographic? :D
I'm 42, and Peter At told me I'm in. (Which, of course, could still mean you're actually too young... :p )

luca 2009-08-31 19:29
Re: Now it's official: Maemo 5 and the N900 launch!
 
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Originally Posted by SD69 (Post 319011)
So if I am 40 something, am I in or out of the target demographic? :D
Yes, because you should have stopped sending mms about 25 years ago :D

jalladin 2009-08-31 19:30
Re: Now it's official: Maemo 5 and the N900 launch!
 
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Originally Posted by benny1967 (Post 318659)
Objection, Your Honor! Assumptions!



Objection! "Good to know" expresses bias and a negative attitude. (And as a personal remark, based on what I've seen... the opposite would be "good to know" for me :D )

:p
Hey Benny,

what exactly were you getting at with this comment...


if its what i think it is i'm glad to see i'm not alone here;)

Boke 2009-08-31 20:47
Re: Now it's official: Maemo 5 and the N900 launch!
 
May I ask, if it's a kernel issue, why is android able to send MMS?

zerojay 2009-08-31 21:00
Re: Now it's official: Maemo 5 and the N900 launch!
 
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Originally Posted by Boke (Post 319102)
May I ask, if it's a kernel issue, why is android able to send MMS?
That's a very good question. I was just repeating what I was told by a Nokia employee. Perhaps Android has some kernel patches implementing it? Hmm.

daperl 2009-08-31 21:18
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@zerojay

The head tilt was wrong.

Attachment 4005

tso 2009-08-31 21:47
Re: Now it's official: Maemo 5 and the N900 launch!
 
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Originally Posted by Texrat (Post 318979)
Understood-- but apparently the target demographic for the N900 does.
tho it helps nada, if the people they know do not...

thats the thing here, more people have phone numbers and phones then have a email address.

its not so much about the owners and users of the N900, but who they know and wants to communicate with...

tso 2009-08-31 21:48
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Originally Posted by zerojay (Post 319114)
That's a very good question. I was just repeating what I was told by a Nokia employee. Perhaps Android has some kernel patches implementing it? Hmm.
if they have, they are bound by the gpl to release them...

Texrat 2009-08-31 22:00
Re: Now it's official: Maemo 5 and the N900 launch!
 
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Originally Posted by tso (Post 319129)
tho it helps nada, if the people they know do not...

thats the thing here, more people have phone numbers and phones then have a email address.

its not so much about the owners and users of the N900, but who they know and wants to communicate with...
Time for them to get an ovi.com email address! :D

tso 2009-08-31 22:03
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btw, i cant find anything in the android git repo that indicates they did anything to the kernel to handle mms. it seems that its all done by a app, from what i can tell...

allnameswereout 2009-08-31 23:06
Re: Now it's official: Maemo 5 and the N900 launch!
 
It runs in Java, user-space link

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Multimedia Messaging Service, or MMS, is a telecommunications standard for sending messages that include multimedia objects (images, audio, video, rich text). MMS is an extension of the SMS standard, allowing longer message lengths and using WAP to display the content.
Why would you run that in kernel-space instead of user space. WAP protocol runs in user space for sure. Although Symbian OS has microkernel. If you can get WAP implentation on Fremantle it shouldn't be too hard to get MMS working.

Texrat 2009-08-31 23:27
Re: Now it's official: Maemo 5 and the N900 launch!
 
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Originally Posted by Peter@Maemo Marketing (Post 318419)
Good luck waiting for that one! ;-) I wouldn't, if I were you.
so, E910?

:D

zerojay 2009-08-31 23:35
Re: Now it's official: Maemo 5 and the N900 launch!
 
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Originally Posted by daperl (Post 319118)
@zerojay

The head tilt was wrong.

Attachment 4005
There you go, fixed in Fremantle!

Zargon 2009-08-31 23:36
Re: Now it's official: Maemo 5 and the N900 launch!
 
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Originally Posted by Peter@Maemo Marketing (Post 318414)
Yes, having MMS on a feature phone is important, but the N900 isn't a feature phone with limited resources. . We prioritized our resources to have brilliant multitasking of the frequent use cases. You can share photos easily to the Internet or by email. Implementing MMS would have meant dragging the ancient WAP 1.2.1 standard used for the push notificatiom to a modern computer OS in times when our target audience wants to share high quality images to Flickr, Facebook, Picasa, Ovi and so on. MMS receipt would maybe gotten us far enough, so others can send her photo to you, but we decided to put our R&D into other areas. I hope consumers will forgive us for the time being.
This, for me, is a major setback. Even if I see your point, with operators (at least in Portugal and Spain) giving away packages of 1500 SMS and 500 MMS for free on a weekly basis I think many users will think twice before changing to the N900.

I do mail my pictures, upload them to Flickr, Twitter, etc. but when I want to take a quick shot and share it with someone I use MMS: Its free, doesn't add to my data plan and it works.

qole 2009-08-31 23:45
Re: Now it's official: Maemo 5 and the N900 launch!
 
Does the N900 support sending and receiving color faxes? Because if it doesn't, that's a major setback, and a real dealbreaker for me.

Many lawyers and realtors will accept signed documents if they are faxed, but not if they are e-mailed. The N900 needs an application that allows you to receive a fax of a document, annotate it, sign it, and then send it back.

allnameswereout 2009-08-31 23:52
Re: Now it's official: Maemo 5 and the N900 launch!
 
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Originally Posted by Zargon (Post 319176)
giving away packages of 1500 SMS and 500 MMS for free on a weekly basis
:confused: why on earth do they give that away fo free?

mjc 2009-08-31 23:58
Re: Now it's official: Maemo 5 and the N900 launch!
 
Okay, if we're all going to go on about our MMS opinions, I'll add mine. I'm glad it isn't a native app, and when it is implemented (I'm sure some wicked smart kid will implement it) I won't install it!

The only person who sends me MMS is my 55 year old mother who cannot figure out how to email from her phone. One more picture of her dogs and I'm going to flip.

Thanks for listening, now how about moving the whole MMS debate to the gripe thread.

mjc 2009-09-01 00:08
Re: Now it's official: Maemo 5 and the N900 launch!
 
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Originally Posted by qole (Post 319183)
Does the N900 support sending and receiving color faxes? Because if it doesn't, that's a major setback, and a real dealbreaker for me.
Funniest thing I've read all day! Literaly laughed out loud.

Nathan 2009-09-01 00:37
Re: Now it's official: Maemo 5 and the N900 launch!
 
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Originally Posted by qole (Post 319183)
Does the N900 support sending and receiving color faxes? Because if it doesn't, that's a major setback, and a real dealbreaker for me.

Many lawyers and realtors will accept signed documents if they are faxed, but not if they are e-mailed. The N900 needs an application that allows you to receive a fax of a document, annotate it, sign it, and then send it back.
Thats an interesting idea -- I highly doubt the n900 supports that, but for some industries that is a killer feature... I wonder how hard that would be to develop... Some parts of that are very simple to do...

Nathan

SD69 2009-09-01 01:18
Re: Now it's official: Maemo 5 and the N900 launch!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by qole (Post 319183)
Does the N900 support sending and receiving color faxes? Because if it doesn't, that's a major setback, and a real dealbreaker for me.

Many lawyers and realtors will accept signed documents if they are faxed, but not if they are e-mailed. The N900 needs an application that allows you to receive a fax of a document, annotate it, sign it, and then send it back.
You may not know this, but the later Nokia Communicators had this feature (except color) and the E90 that replaced them was criticized because it did not have the feature (at launch). :D

The difference with MMS is that it is a specified part of the 3G standard and it is ironic that it is absent in a device that endeavors to utilize standardized technology.

Zargon 2009-09-01 01:37
Re: Now it's official: Maemo 5 and the N900 launch!
 
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Originally Posted by allnameswereout (Post 319186)
:confused: why on earth do they give that away fo free?
It is a different market. The younger generations don't use their phones to make calls. They use their phones to text and send pictures to each other. For a flat rate of €9,99 you get 1500 text messages and 500 MMS. Add €10 and you will get a 250MB data plan that includes unlimited access to MSN (meaning that MSN access doesn't get taken from the 250MB). The flat rate includes, most of the times, free calls between people that have the same plan.
Calling other networks can be as high as 45 cents per minute and landlines even more expensive.

The business is all about volume: Portugal has a mobile penetration ratio of 3 mobile phones per inhabitant.

So, of course operators are giving stuff for "free". They are investing in the younger generations that will probably stick with the same operator since all of their RL social network is using it as well.

dansus 2009-09-01 01:41
Re: Now it's official: Maemo 5 and the N900 launch!
 
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Originally Posted by sevla (Post 318993)
I don't understand.. How are you able to send mms but everyone else can't? Are you on at&t?
Thanks for the laughs. :p

munky261 2009-09-01 01:45
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Im 30, soon to be 31 and I hate talking on the phone, Im definitely in the group that would rather text/send pics. Of course this tends to annoy the hell out of any woman that I date. LOL

tso 2009-09-01 01:47
Re: Now it's official: Maemo 5 and the N900 launch!
 
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Originally Posted by munky261 (Post 319226)
Im 30, soon to be 31 and I hate talking on the phone, Im definitely in the group that would rather text/send pics. Of course this tends to annoy the hell out of any woman that I date. LOL
those are the conversations that handsfree was made for ;)

tso 2009-09-01 01:48
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btw, it would be nice if nokia could make a video of the device used for video call while sitting on the desk, using the stand...

munky261 2009-09-01 01:50
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Not even using handsfree...I just do not like talking on the phone beyond short , needed conversations.

Zargon 2009-09-01 01:51
Re: Now it's official: Maemo 5 and the N900 launch!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by qole (Post 319183)
Does the N900 support sending and receiving color faxes? Because if it doesn't, that's a major setback, and a real dealbreaker for me.

Many lawyers and realtors will accept signed documents if they are faxed, but not if they are e-mailed. The N900 needs an application that allows you to receive a fax of a document, annotate it, sign it, and then send it back.
Very witty of you but, the point is, that people use their phones to send MMS.
As far as I am concerned it is one of the things that I check for on a mobile phone. (Wait! No, I don't because I actually take for granted that any phone I buy does have it. I laughed a lot at the people that bought that 1st Generation iPHONE for the lack of it and one of the reasons why it didn't strive in many markets was... yes you guessed it: the lack of MMS capabilities amongst other things)

Why is this a major setback for me? Because I use it all the time: It doesn't cost me a thing to send one, it doesn't cost a thing to the person receiving it unlike sending a picture by e-mail (both parties will have to make a network access thus spending data from their plan)

This is just my opinion as a user of Nokia Devices for the last 10 years and that uses the E71 for work and pleasure.

I think that the N900 is a great device but before I was aware of this I was ready to pre-order it from Germany and now I am not so sure.

As for the fax capabilities ... I never received or sent a fax in my life. That is too 90s for me and I never saw the logic in turning something analog into digital and back again into analog only to pick up the phone and ask if it had arrived well ;-)

dansus 2009-09-01 01:57
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Every time i think of sending an mms, i remember it costs 50p or 3 sms's and find another way. The bizarre thing is with a device like this, i would be more likely to pick up an mms package and start using the service, go figure.

Heres something to chew on, im with Tmobile and the E71 can happily send and receive mms but if i receive one i get a text link to Tmobiles website to view it.

javispedro 2009-09-01 01:58
Re: Now it's official: Maemo 5 and the N900 launch!
 
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Originally Posted by Zargon (Post 319223)
For a flat rate of €9,99 you get 1500 text messages and 500 MMS. Add €10 and you will get a 250MB data plan that includes unlimited access to MSN (meaning that MSN access doesn't get taken from the 250MB). The flat rate includes, most of the times, free calls between people that have the same plan.
Wow. After reading that I feel like I live in another planet. Spain was the third worst in the European ranking about prices.

munky261 2009-09-01 01:59
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LOL Great comment about faxes, I do use them occasionally for business, but never have I had the need to send one from a mobile device. But does anyone else here remember that Simon (I think it was called) touchscreen phone of the 90's that could do it?

Zargon 2009-09-01 02:00
Re: Now it's official: Maemo 5 and the N900 launch!
 
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Originally Posted by javispedro (Post 319239)
Wow. After reading that I feel like I live in another planet. Spain was the third worst in the European ranking about prices.
I know where you are coming from. When I am in Spain I can't find a single difference between MoviStar or Vodafone. Both are terrible in terms of service, network and pricing.

JayOnThaBeat 2009-09-01 02:01
Re: Now it's official: Maemo 5 and the N900 launch!
 
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Originally Posted by munky261 (Post 319241)
LOL Great comment about faxes, I do use them occasionally for business, but never have I had the need to send one from a mobile device. But does anyone else here remember that Simon (I think it was called) touchscreen phone of the 90's that could do it?
Simon?
http://www.granneman.com/images/miltonBradleySimon.jpg

Was there anything Simon couldn't do??

:D

Zargon 2009-09-01 02:03
Re: Now it's official: Maemo 5 and the N900 launch!
 
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Originally Posted by javispedro (Post 319239)
Wow. After reading that I feel like I live in another planet. Spain was the third worst in the European ranking about prices.
PS: But the girls that work at the Vodafone Store near the ramblas are nice ... and cute :D

dansus 2009-09-01 02:06
Re: Now it's official: Maemo 5 and the N900 launch!
 
Spotted this on the other place, whats maybe of interested apart from the $499 pre-order price, is the normal retail price.... $699.

http://www.mobilecityonline.com/wire...roductid=25114


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