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theflew 2009-09-09 16:09

Re: N900 Specifications
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by quingu (Post 324252)
sorry for bringing this up yet again. I am still unsure what kind of usb micro adapter i would need that doesn't involve power injection. what about this one? Description says its a "Micro-A" plug. Yet it looks different than the plug of the n810 adapter you linked (which looks more like a micro-b plug).

qouth the wikipedia:


excuse my stupidity. I can't make sense of this. n810 plugs look like micro-b, yet it would be logical to use micro-a.

Help please!

The plug I linked to on ebay has a micro type B plug on one end and a type A receptacle on the other to plug in normal USB devices (mouse, keyboard, USB sticks, hubs, etc...). The plug is an OTG adapter so it will switch the N810 into host mode. The plug you linked to from Amazon are just gender benders - male to female. It will not put the device into hose mode and a software switch solution would be necessary.

Injection is necessary regardless of cable used if your device requires more power than the device can deliver. The NXXX do not provide enough power to power some USB sticks, harddrives, etc... so you'll need to provide the power. If the device is in host mode you could use a powered hub.

joppu 2009-09-09 16:48

Re: N900 Specifications
 
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Originally Posted by GeneralAntilles (Post 324313)
Nokia claims 2-4 days in their spec sheet.*


*This number is, of course, based on pre-release hardware and software and is subject to change.

Nope, that's the always online time, it probably means that it's updating your widgets and stuff trough 3g.

Also, is the USB Host port confirmed?

GeneralAntilles 2009-09-09 17:10

Re: N900 Specifications
 
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Originally Posted by joppu (Post 324346)
Also, is the USB Host port confirmed?

As I've said before, the port is USB OTG. All of the hardware is there.

texaslabrat 2009-09-09 17:16

Re: N900 Specifications
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by theflew (Post 324330)

Injection is necessary regardless of cable used if your device requires more power than the device can deliver. The NXXX do not provide enough power to power some USB sticks, harddrives, etc... so you'll need to provide the power. If the device is in host mode you could use a powered hub.

Something like this looks like it would be pretty handy:
http://www.amazon.com/Cyberpower-CP-.../ref=de_a_smtd

konttori 2009-09-09 19:33

Re: N900 Specifications
 
I can testify that you get easily more than 2 days with device idle (and no open app misbehaving). Screen is a drainer, so all use consumes a lot, but it easily lasts a full working day of normal use.

ysss 2009-09-09 19:42

Re: N900 Specifications
 
konttori: can you elaborate a bit more on 'full working day of normal use'? :)

Approximately how many hours of the following activities for the day:
- voice call
- use of IM
- use of web
- use of email
- use of apps (what kind?)
- radio condition (3g/wifi/bt)

korbé 2009-09-09 20:09

Re: N900 Specifications
 
On the Nokia website, if you compare the N900 with another mobile by clicking on "Compare", you see.... you see...... :
Quote:

Display colors: Up to 16 million colours

Finally, if there is no error on the website...

joshua.maverick 2009-09-09 20:41

Re: N900 Specifications
 
Anybody know about the compass? Anybody... anybody? lol

qole 2009-09-09 20:52

Re: N900 Specifications
 
joshua.maverick:

There's no compass.

Anyone who said otherwise was not a trustworthy source, so, in the absence of any trustworthy information, they're wrong. And if there is, Nokia hasn't told anyone about it, nor has it turned up in any of the source code released by Nokia so far. If the N900 had a compass, why would Nokia keep it a secret?

Why do you keep asking?

qole 2009-09-09 20:55

Re: N900 Specifications
 
ysss:

Battery life is one thing that the Maemo people have said that they're actively working on in these last few weeks before the device goes on sale. So any detailed numbers anyone could give you would be wrong by the time the device goes on sale.

sachin007 2009-09-09 20:59

Re: N900 Specifications
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by qole (Post 324487)
joshua.maverick:

There's no compass.

Anyone who said otherwise was not a trustworthy source, so, in the absence of any trustworthy information, they're wrong. And if there is, Nokia hasn't told anyone about it, nor has it turned up in any of the source code released by Nokia so far. If the N900 had a compass, why would Nokia keep it a secret?

Why do you keep asking?

Well it could be the Easter egg just like the fm receiver which is confirmed and without being anywhere in the specs.

ysss 2009-09-09 21:04

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@qole: cool. so whatever konttori answers would be a baseline and we can expect something better on the final product :D

harisund 2009-09-09 21:31

Re: N900 Specifications
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JayOnThaBeat (Post 324518)
What good is a piece of high-end technology without a feature that dates back to the middle ages circa 200 BC????

They had digital compasses in 200BC? They had digital anything that time ??

attila77 2009-09-09 21:39

Re: N900 Specifications
 
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Originally Posted by JayOnThaBeat (Post 324518)
What good is a piece of high-end technology without a feature that dates back to the middle ages circa 200 BC????

Yeah. Totally sucks. And it can't even light a fire (exploding batteries excl), which is a technology that dates back hundreds of thousands of years ! :D

qole 2009-09-09 22:48

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Originally Posted by attila77 (Post 324529)
And it can't even light a fire (exploding batteries excl)

Oh right, I guess the iPhone fans will point out that their devices have exploding batteries. Can the N900 do that?

luca 2009-09-09 22:49

Re: N900 Specifications
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by konttori (Post 324440)
I can testify that you get easily more than 2 days with device idle (and no open app misbehaving)

Oh, my current tablet will last forever turned off and hidden in a drawer, but that's not very useful

Quote:

Originally Posted by konttori (Post 324440)
Screen is a drainer, so all use consumes a lot, but it easily lasts a full working day of normal use.

If for "normal use" you mean keeping it your pocket waiting for incoming calls, I could believe it.
Actually using it, that's another matter.

joshua.maverick 2009-09-10 01:10

Re: N900 Specifications
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by qole (Post 324487)
joshua.maverick:

There's no compass.

Anyone who said otherwise was not a trustworthy source, so, in the absence of any trustworthy information, they're wrong. And if there is, Nokia hasn't told anyone about it, nor has it turned up in any of the source code released by Nokia so far. If the N900 had a compass, why would Nokia keep it a secret?

Why do you keep asking?

I asked again, because I did not receive any confirmation. I didn't mean to upset you.

allnameswereout 2009-09-10 01:35

Re: N900 Specifications
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by qole (Post 324564)
Oh right, I guess the iPhone fans will point out that their devices have exploding batteries. Can the N900 do that?

You know those mortars you have to bump to stone and then throw as if its a grenade? They inspired Apple design team... :cool:

Quote:

Originally Posted by JayOnThaBeat (Post 324518)
What good is a piece of high-end technology without a feature that dates back to the middle ages circa 200 BC????

They were used for entirely different purposes. There are 2 main usage patterns: better navigation on map (this was far more important in ancient times, but you could use heavenly bodies for same purpose, as the stargazers in pacific ocean have done for millenia) and 2: augmented reality. By the time the latter takes off we're a year further.

For if what you say is true there must be many crappy high-end technologies then because last time I checked almost no smartphone, netbook, laptop, digicam (slr), blahblah etc etc blahblah has digital compass. Hmmm, maybe its a bit overrated.

Bratag 2009-09-10 01:42

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Quote:

Originally Posted by allnameswereout (Post 324605)
You know those mortars you have to bump to stone and then throw as if its a grenade? They inspired Apple design team... :cool:

They were used for entirely different purposes. There are 2 main usage patterns: better navigation on map (this was far more important in ancient times, but you could use heavenly bodies for same purpose, as the stargazers in pacific ocean have done for millenia) and 2: augmented reality. By the time the latter takes off we're a year further.

For if what you say is true there must be many crappy high-end technologies then because last time I checked almost no smartphone, netbook, laptop, digicam (slr), blahblah etc etc blahblah has digital compass. Hmmm, maybe its a bit overrated.

G1 has one - its a nice novelty - not much in the way of real world use though. GPS substitutes for it most times

allnameswereout 2009-09-10 04:47

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Originally Posted by JayOnThaBeat (Post 324654)
It's called sarcasm, people.

I forget that a lot of people can't read sarcasm.

Sorry.

Welcome to the Internet! Smileys are useful on the Internet to explain (con)text. A useful smiley to denote sarcasm is: :rolleyes:

konttori 2009-09-10 04:58

Re: N900 Specifications
 
I cannot quantify the times. Over 4 hours of display lit, mostly email, sms, IM through gtalk, browser and conboy use, checking facebook through the applet, online all the time through 3g. Perhaps 1h of calls per day. This is my subjective feeling that I'm talking here, so I don't have the numbers for you.

konttori 2009-09-10 05:01

Re: N900 Specifications
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by luca (Post 324565)
Oh, my current tablet will last forever turned off and hidden in a drawer, but that's not very useful



If for "normal use" you mean keeping it your pocket waiting for incoming calls, I could believe it.
Actually using it, that's another matter.

Using is what I meant with normal use. Idle use is keeping it in your pocket. For that it lasts far more than 2 days (again, no numbers - I do know the theoretical measured numbers, but those are taken with completely idle device, and I want to tell from a device that has applets on home, and apps running on the device).

danramos 2009-09-10 05:58

Re: N900 Specifications
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by qole (Post 324564)
Oh right, I guess the iPhone fans will point out that their devices have exploding batteries. Can the N900 do that?

Fixed in Fremantle.

twaelti 2009-09-10 06:47

Re: N900 Specifications
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by qole (Post 324494)
Battery life is one thing that the Maemo people have said that they're actively working on in these last few weeks before the device goes on sale.

IIRC, I've seen the Nokia Energy Profiler showing up in some N900 videos. This is a cool application that originated from Symbian showing the current power drain on a device (I've used it on my N82 to compare FM radio vs. Internet Radio power drain). Glad to see it ported to Maemo.

arj 2009-09-10 06:49

Re: N900 Specifications
 
I find it very strange that flac and ogg is missing from the supported codecs. I guess they are very easy to install afterwards?

Probably the main question is if they are accelerated then. :confused:

matthewcc 2009-09-10 12:42

Re: N900 Specifications
 
Does the n900 support haptic feedback? It is a really nice feature on the 5800xm that i am currently running.

matthewcc 2009-09-10 12:44

Re: N900 Specifications
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by matthewcc (Post 324789)
Does the n900 support haptic feedback? It is a really nice feature on the 5800xm that i am currently running.

I answered my own question - Yes, it does have haptic feedback per a number of reviewers.

tso 2009-09-10 19:56

Re: N900 Specifications
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by twaelti (Post 324693)
IIRC, I've seen the Nokia Energy Profiler showing up in some N900 videos. This is a cool application that originated from Symbian showing the current power drain on a device (I've used it on my N82 to compare FM radio vs. Internet Radio power drain). Glad to see it ported to Maemo.

just wish it could show up on older maemo, or even somehow on mer.

dansus 2009-09-10 21:20

Re: N900 Specifications
 
Ive just been hanging out at the onedotzero exhibition in Londons Southbank and i managed to score some alone time with the N900.

Im told it was running a very recent build and to me the firmware is very solid, the UI felt ready for primetime. I will post some more thoughts when i get back to my desktop.

http://thumbnails13.imagebam.com/484...9248460813.gif

dansus 2009-09-10 22:49

Re: N900 Specifications
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dansus (Post 325071)
Ive just been hanging out at the onedotzero exhibition in Londons Southbank and i managed to score some alone time with the N900.

....I will post some more thoughts when i get back to my desktop.
.

I spent about 20mins with the device and overall i was impressed, any doubts i had about owning the N900 are now long gone.

I started playing with Karsten's 3D text app which projected messages on to the side of a building which showed off the accelerometer as i moved around text sucked up from Facebook,Twitter and others streaming across a 100ft+ wall. I felt like a Borg taking in the worlds thoughts.

Hardware wise it feels solid and natural in the hand, the keyboard was immediately usable and the learning curve was working out where all the usual keys are and adjusting to the offset spacebar, after 10mins i was flowing nicely. The thing that slowed me down was shifting for 1+2 because theres only one shift key on the left, it was annoying to try and press two keys so close to each other. So a left and right shift key here would be ideal.

The sreen felt solid and there was no sense of give or squishiness, responsiveness was fine in most cases, moving widgets around the home screen was instant and the only part that reminded me of M4, the rest is all new. At times the home screen and photo app wouldnt respond well to short swipes, you need to use a confident and firm swipe to activate it but if you use your nail it was very sensitive, maybe thats by design, maybe screen tech, but i remember what Quim said about the sensitivity being dialled down by design. The rest of the UI responded well to short swipes.

I had a chance to go through the process of setting up new widgets, email, photos and have a look around the repo, it felt like home, easy to use and the UI flowed nicely, I dont think ive ever picked up a new UI so quickly.

I plugged in my quality headphones and jammed while exploring the device, the audio didnt hesitate while doing other stuff and the quality was on par with other N-Series but didnt have time to fully pass judgement. The 2 videos i played worked and looked nice without any obvious judder or smearing but again hard to judge without using my own sources.

The only thing i didnt get to play with sadly was the browser due to lack of connectivity but kinetic scrolling in the repo was sa-weeet. :D

I know people are saying its not a NIT any more and its just a smartphone but when you use it, you really feel like your using a device that is more than a smartphone and im really excited about getting my N900.

Big thanks to Karsten for being so accommodating. :)
.

qole 2009-09-10 22:59

Re: N900 Specifications
 
dansus: you nailed how I feel about it too. Thanks.

slate8 2009-09-11 12:17

Re: N900 Specifications
 
@dansus Thanks for the mini review! Great info.

OPS 2009-09-12 08:49

Re: N900 Specifications
 
It's a shame the N900 doesn't have support for mms and portrait mode (except for when using it as a phone)... Otherwise this is a great device and hopefully my next "mobile phone".

zehjotkah 2009-09-12 09:28

Re: N900 Specifications
 
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Originally Posted by OPS (Post 325734)
It's a shame the N900 doesn't have support for mms and portrait mode (except for when using it as a phone)... Otherwise this is a great device and hopefully my next "mobile phone".

The fact, that the homescreen isn't in portrait mode doesn't mean, that the n900 don't support portrait mode. Every developer can make their programs to support portrait mode, even based on the accelerometer. And as we've discussed many times before, Nokia will add MMS functionality with a OS-update.

Benson 2009-09-12 11:00

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Originally Posted by scaler (Post 323980)
Join the club. I too guessed that any normal computer user reading the specs, with references to USB mass storage etc., would interpret them as you have. I got flamed by the big man. Apparently Nokia's customers are not supposed to be interested in host mode, even if the device is billed as a "computer", for Nokia's first time ever.

Not first time ever -- Nokia has called its N-series smartphones as "multimedia computers" for quite a while.

pelago 2009-09-12 11:05

Re: N900 Specifications
 
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Originally Posted by zehjotkah (Post 325749)
as we've discussed many times before, Nokia will add MMS functionality with a OS-update.

Has that actually been officially announced, or just guessed?

texaslabrat 2009-09-12 12:25

Re: N900 Specifications
 
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Originally Posted by pelago (Post 325775)
Has that actually been officially announced, or just guessed?

either way, I'm not going to lose sleep over it. I've sent exactly one MMS in my life...and that was just to see how it worked. Email ftw ;)

joshua.maverick 2009-09-12 15:09

Re: N900 Specifications
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by texaslabrat (Post 325787)
either way, I'm not going to lose sleep over it. I've sent exactly one MMS in my life...and that was just to see how it worked. Email ftw ;)

For sure, on a device like this, whats the point of MMS? People who don't have email on their phone don't deserve to receive multimedia! lol

shadowjk 2009-09-13 13:05

Re: N900 Specifications
 
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Originally Posted by tso (Post 325011)
just wish it could show up on older maemo, or even somehow on mer.

Well we know how to talk to bme, it's on the wiki, so creating a Energy Meter for N8x0 is doable for someone with spare time. Me, I don't have enough spare time and just fake it by parsing ftd logs, which is user-unfriendly to say the least, and fills up the rootfs until everything crawls to a halt :)

zerojay 2009-09-13 13:27

Re: N900 Specifications
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by zehjotkah (Post 325749)
And as we've discussed many times before, Nokia will add MMS functionality with a OS-update.

Uh, they will? Where did you get that information from because I have not seen any Nokian saying anything like that.


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