Re: Bible App for Maemo 5 Device(s)
 

hey i just wanted to say thanks. i really like the rapier app. it'd be great if the menus were more finger friendly, i love the suggestion earlier of the chapter/verse scrolls to be similar to the calendar.

the app is working great- but there is one image next to the left/right arrows that doesnt show properly. the button activates the search box on the left, but the image on the button is just white with a cross like there is an error.

thanks again - great app.

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All i can say is the package can be build, but i never was involved with packaging qt application, so i do not know how things should be done 'the proper way' (i'm still learning qt, and can not even tell how to use qmake with some third party lib on top of that).

Now, when i run katana, it segfault, and if i try to gdb the core, gdb segfault too, so i m a bit stuck :)

Re: Bible App for Maemo 5 Device(s)
 

Do you have other sword modules installed? If not, then that is the problem. You'll need to install them through rapier.

If you do have, it's probably because dependencies aren't set up correctly? What qt4-maemo5* packages are installed?

Re: Bible App for Maemo 5 Device(s)
 

I have ESV installed in /home/user/sword

I launched katana with :

SWORD_PATH=/home/user/sword run-standalone.sh /opt/katana/katana



[sbox-FREMANTLE_X86: ~/dev/katana/trunk] > dpkg -l |grep qt4
ii libqt4-maemo5-core 4.6.0~git20091218-0maemo1 Qt 4 core module
ii libqt4-maemo5-dbus 4.6.0~git20091218-0maemo1 Qt 4 D-Bus module
ii libqt4-maemo5-dev 4.6.0~git20091218-0maemo1 Qt 4 development files
ii libqt4-maemo5-gui 4.6.0~git20091218-0maemo1 Qt 4 GUI module
ii libqt4-maemo5-maemo5 4.6.0~git20091218-0maemo1 Qt 4 Maemo5 module
ii libqt4-maemo5-multimedia 4.6.0~git20091218-0maemo1 Qt 4 Multimedia Libraries
ii libqt4-maemo5-network 4.6.0~git20091218-0maemo1 Qt 4 network module
ii libqt4-maemo5-opengl 4.6.0~git20091218-0maemo1 Qt 4 OpenGL module
ii libqt4-maemo5-phonon 4.6.0~git20091218-0maemo1 Qt 4 Phonon Libraries
ii libqt4-maemo5-script 4.6.0~git20091218-0maemo1 Qt 4 script module
ii libqt4-maemo5-sql 4.6.0~git20091218-0maemo1 Qt 4 SQL module
ii libqt4-maemo5-svg 4.6.0~git20091218-0maemo1 Qt 4 SVG module
ii libqt4-maemo5-test 4.6.0~git20091218-0maemo1 Qt 4 test module
ii libqt4-maemo5-webkit 4.6.0~git20091218-0maemo1 Qt 4 WebKit module
ii libqt4-maemo5-xml 4.6.0~git20091218-0maemo1 Qt 4 XML module
ii libqt4-maemo5-xmlpatterns 4.6.0~git20091218-0maemo1 Qt 4 XML Patterns module

Re: Bible App for Maemo 5 Device(s)
 

Very cool
- typing on keyboard should probably default to search (personally speaking, search and verse selection should be the same, probably with some type of word completion for those book/chapt/verse names since those are readily available from the books installed)

Rapier won't be updated beyond getting it working on Maemo 5 devices. Katana is the effort underway to make a Bible reader that better fits the general user interface guidelines of Maemo 5 and beyond. Stay tuned to this thread for updates on both apps.

Re: Bible App for Maemo 5 Device(s)
 

i can't get this to run..it shows emptiness when i select any chapter.

Re: Bible App for Maemo 5 Device(s)
 

The segfault i experienced only occur when using /home/user/sword as SWORD_PATH , i have no clue why, but things worked better if i use another directory to store my modules.

I have several question about katana:

1) How on earth do you use gdb on this thing ?

I compiled it with -g (after adding it in the Makefile manually), but i always end up with gdb segfaulting when it is supposed to stop at a break point.

[sbox-FREMANTLE_X86: ~/dev/katana/trunk] > SWORD_PATH=/home/user/sword2/ run-standalone.sh gdb ./katana
GNU gdb (GDB) 6.8.50.20090417
Copyright (C) 2009 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
License GPLv3+: GNU GPL version 3 or later <http://gnu.org/licenses/gpl.html>
This is free software: you are free to change and redistribute it.
There is NO WARRANTY, to the extent permitted by law. Type "show copying"
and "show warranty" for details.
This GDB was configured as "i686-pc-linux-gnu".
For bug reporting instructions, please see:
<http://www.gnu.org/software/gdb/bugs/>...
(gdb) b BibleInfo::getVerseText
Breakpoint 1 at 0x8055a8f: file bible_text_source.cpp, line 104.
(gdb) run
Starting program: /home/user/dev/katana/trunk/katana
free(): invalid pointer 0x9bf0033!
free(): invalid pointer 0x9bb0033!
Xlib: extension "Generic Event Extension" missing on display ":2.0".
Xlib: extension "Generic Event Extension" missing on display ":2.0".
Xlib: extension "Generic Event Extension" missing on display ":2.0".
Xlib: extension "Generic Event Extension" missing on display ":2.0".
/usr/bin/run-standalone.sh: line 11: 7138 Segmentation fault (core dumped) "$@"

2) There is a problem when using french module encoded in utf-8 such as FreSegond

The following patch makes the display works correctly using QTextCodec::setCodecForCStrings(QTextCodec::codecF orName("UTF-8")) ; in InfiniteScrollViewer::insertParagraph

http://81.56.33.6/melmoth/katana-utf8.diff

However, i guess a cleaner way would be to first check the module is actually encoded in utf8 before doing so.

3) would it be possible to use some tool such as designer to generate the layout with a nice gui thingy ? :-)

4) what about a mailing list hosted on garage ?

Re: Bible App for Maemo 5 Device(s)
 

The problem was that Katana was requiring the KJV version to be installed. I'm guessing the path you specified didn't include it. I've fixed this.

I have no idea; I don't use GDB. See the comment about GDB in this post, though: http://labs.trolltech.com/blogs/2009...ext-iteration/

Thanks for the bug report. I'll try to look into this soon.

It's probably possible, although it might not work well at this point, because of the immaturity of Qt 4.6. But, why? Would that gain something that we don't have already? I'm actually quite happy creating the UI's in code...

Yes, please! I really don't like forums, but I'm not an administrator on the garage project, so I can't do a lot.

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I really wish Google Wave were less a property of Google. Mailing lists are a bear to keep track of (and the same can be said of forum threads). But at least Wave solves the organization bit.

If there's a list, I'll keep an eye there and do my best to post back here the relevant pieces. If devs want to use that for the primary communication channel, that should be fine.

I posted earlier a new topic just because of this fact. I'd personally like to use something that was closer to the code to create UIs, but devs are happy with PPT/Visio wireframes with blocks and text - and there's a solid graphic designer or two that can put skin on it - then we might be fine in keeping it simple there.

Re: Bible App for Maemo 5 Device(s)
 

Three things:

1. I now have a n900! It is a sweet machine!


2. I've changed you to an admin.
3. and also added a mailing list to the katana site (2-24 hrs for it to be created)

Nathan.

Re: Bible App for Maemo 5 Device(s)
 

about using designer or qt creator instead of writing all the gui design directly on c++:

Not having used glade when i started to write rapier (because i was not sure how easy glade would be to use with hildon thingy at the time) was something i regretted afterward.

Having a way to handle change in the gui with a 'what you see is what you get' tool makes enhancement and changes much more easier. Especially if you are not familiar with the application in the first place.

Rigth now, i know i would not like to have to add another something in the Rapier preference windows by example, and this sort of change could (and should) be really simple to do with a graphical designer.

Re: Bible App for Maemo 5 Device(s)
 

Finally getting to testing this, I'll update my results in the coming days.

*Just an FYI to anyone else looking to test, you need to have the Extras-Testing Repository enabled (see explaination here). This repository is meant for testing applications only and you should only enable it when testing or updating software that is in a testing phase. Please make sure to also vote and comment for any software that you are testing so that it can be moved into the Maemo-Extras repository - this is more or less when it becomes officially available and usable to all.

Please make sure that you vote for Rapier in Extras-Dev if you are testing it. This is the only way to get it pushed towards the main Maemo Extras directory so that it can be moved to a maintenance mode and energies be focused towards Katana:
- Download and vote for Rapier

Re: Bible App for Maemo 5 Device(s)
 

Rapier Testing 1.1.10

Test 1: Can find application within Application Manager
Result: Yes/Successful
Stepts to Reproduce:
- Make sure to add the Extras-Testing Repository and that it is enabled
- Search for Rapier (easier since there are so many apps to scroll through)

Test 2: Can install from Application Manager
Result: Yes/Successful
Steps to Reproduce:
- Once the app was found, simply to click and wait for the confirmation screen

Test 3 (#1): Can install (load) Bible from within Rapier
Result: Yes/Successful
Steps to Reproduce:
- clicked on Rapier in the title bar
- navigated to Manage
- clicked on the tab titled Remote
- scrolled to en (English)
- scrolled to ESV
- clicked ok

#2
- clicked on Rapier in the title bar
- navigated to Manage
- clicked on the tab titled Remote
- scrolled to en (English)
- selected Net-text, Strongs Greek and Hebrew, and TSK
- clicked ok
- back to preferences to change direcrory to home/user/N900/Documents then got a message:
"Problem changing data_path from /home/user/sword to /home/user/MyDocs/.documents: Operation not permitted"

Test 4: Can view text from loaded Bible
Result: Yes/Successful
Steps to Reproduce:
- once bible was loaded, text displayed fine
- changed to model and navigated to new chapter verse and was successful (UI issues here if using finger-input)

Test 5: Can utilize all application functions
Result(s): Yes/Successful
Steps to Reproduce
- before I could search, had to build the index for each of the installed modules, but afterwards this worked fine
- navigating chapters was not hard, just not opimized for the UI
- the search has a broken icon (maybe to just make a new one for that feature)

Re: Bible App for Maemo 5 Device(s)
 

i cant find it in the extras test.


what is it called?

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How do you get the strongs number database to work?

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@ceroberts75 - you can follow exactly what I did in the test above you to find Rapier in Extras-Testing

@cardiff-blues - I'm not sure that this is a good question for this specific thread as most who'd use Strong's Numbers would know how to utilize these as references. Ideally, you'd need a Strong's dictionary/lexicon. I'd recommend you to the Rapier homepage for some more specific instructions on how the modules - such as Strong's - work.

Re: Bible App for Maemo 5 Device(s)
 

This is great! Thank you (whoever made and ported it) GBU =)

Re: Bible App for Maemo 5 Device(s)
 

I couldn't get "search" to work. It just froze when I tried searching for a word.

UPDATE: SEARCH WORKS! (Sorry!) Just takes longer on common words like "God" or "Lord" etc.
This is wonderful! :)

Also, what should I do about "Storage Directory" and "Strong number database location"???

Re: Bible App for Maemo 5 Device(s)
 

Just some thoughts on Katana... some of the items talked about in this video are things that would make *reading* a much better experience on a device like the N900. Panning instead of the endless page, context menus that open on a press-and-hold, and an ability to flow neatly whether portrait or landscape. I've not got the money to do what these folks did below, but I can wireframe and will do again at some point.

http://vimeo.com/8217311

If you will, one should think about the experience of reading, before thinking about that of the features to enhance reading. Its a simpler - and usually much harder to attain - approach.

Re: Bible App for Maemo 5 Device(s)
 

To those developers working with/on Katana, Qt4.6 has gone to beta for Maemo 5:
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=481774

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Digital prayers go straight to the devil.

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Hi,
I am stoked to find this.

Test 1: Can find application within Application Manager
Result: Yes/Successful
Stepts to Reproduce:
- Enable Extras-Testing Repository
- Scroll down to Rapier and install

Test 2: Can install from Application Manager
Result: Yes/Successful
Steps to Reproduce:
- Click on Rapier and follow steps as normal to download and install application

Test 3 (#1): Can install (load) Bible from within Rapier
Result: Yes/Successful
Steps to Reproduce:
- Create shortcut to Rapier on desktop
- Click on Rapier
- Application starts but the icon for Search is missing
- click on Rapier in the title bar
- Scroll down Manage
- Manage Modules appears, click on Remote tab then Refresh
- Finger swipe scrolling doesn't work. I have to use down arrow.
- Select, AKJV, ASV, ESV, KJV, UKJV. Hit ok
- Building installing 5 bibles does indeed take a loooooong time.
- Operation Successful!

Test 4: Can view text from loaded Bible
Result: Yes / Successful
Steps to Reproduce:
- Click on Title Menu (now changed to the current loaded version)
- Go to Modules and select any version I need.

Test 5: Can utilize all application functions
Result(s): Yes
Steps to Reproduce
- Click on Menu -> Select Manage
- In the Installed tab, select all 5 versions to be indexed
- Again, this indeed takes a looong time.
- Once index has been created Click on broken search icon enter text.
- Search works and is non-case sensitive.

Re: Bible App for Maemo 5 Device(s)
 

I got stuck. :( I d/led rapier and installed it. Then I needed to find a Bible - and had no idea what I supposed to do next. (So I ininstalled) I'd really, really like to test this. Amnyone willing to guide a poor lost bear through the process of getting a sword module Bible onto My Mo?

Pretty please with furry paws?

Re: Bible App for Maemo 5 Device(s)
 

Hi. I ran into the same problem when I was testing. You have to go to...

Rapier -> Manage -> Remote (click on 'refresh' to get list of bibles)

then select and install. My notes above are kinda ugly but if you follow what I did you should be able to get bibles installed and working. Have fun.

Re: Bible App for Maemo 5 Device(s)
 

Thanks! Does it install them from there or can I only ever use them via the web? I am trying to use the 'Common Bible' and all I am seeing at the moment is a string of numbers - regardless of what book, chapter or verse I choose. What am I doing wrong?

Re: Bible App for Maemo 5 Device(s)
 

Sword (the software "engine" in use here) works by installing "modules" that are created from different bibles and bible commentaries. Once it is installed, it's on your N900.

Whether the "Common Bible" is an available module, i couldn't say: but there are many.

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Once a module is installed, you do not have to install it again.

"all I am seeing at the moment is a string of numbers " could be because what you installed was actually a commentary module and not a bible module as such.

Re: Bible App for Maemo 5 Device(s)
 

I think for some module either the Rapier or Sword has issue or the module has problem or not compatible.

I've isntalled a few bibles including 2 Chinese, AKJV, ASV, ISV (International Standard Version)

All others are fine except ISV shows up as strings of numbers, which I believe are a list of verses number in that selected chapter. I believe ISV shouldn't be a commentary module

Re: Bible App for Maemo 5 Device(s)
 

Very pleased to now have a working Bible app. That was the one thing I was missing from my ipod touch. Unfortunately for me the Bible version we use at church (where I will probably be using the app the most) is New King James Version (NKJV) and the version I use at home is New International Version (NIV). However, both these versions are absent from the module. Any possibility of these versions (or at least NKJV) coming across to Rapier?

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This is a problem with the books not being free, so i doubt you'll see them available for plain open-source readers. True of NKJV at least, assume it's the same for NIV.

It's not just software that should be free and open source. ;)

ARJWright is very knowledgable about the digital bible situation so perhaps he can suggest a solution.

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Reading through this thread seems there may not be any significant improvements made to the app but there are a couple of things that should be taken into account in this app or in katana.

1. It is not finger friendly at all due to the use of drop down arrow and the way you scroll from there. It takes me over a minute to find a passage and when I am in Church by the time I find the passage the pastor has moved in. When I try to select a book I struggle and struggle and struggle to be able to scroll. What happens is I press outside the scroll bar time and time and time again. Same with the chapters and verse. Kinetic scrolling is of course the way to go.

This would be much less of a problem if point 2 below was better addressed.

2. The search needs to be significantly improved so it is easy to find verses. Not sure what app my wife uses on her blackberry but when she types in a verse e.g. Matt 7:7 or Matthew 7:7 it will take her straight there. On Rapier it would give a list of results none of which would be the actual verse you searched.

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Yep; both are being taken into account in designing Katana. There are a number of usability gaps which helped it to make sense to port Rapier and see what things work and don't work. Rapier presented a really solid foundation, we're just looking to sharpen the edge a good bit.

Concerning the question about modern translations with Rapier/Katana (and pretty much any computer system): I'd refer you to this piece that explains why things are the way they are:
http://mobileministrymagazine.com/20...ile-bible.html

In short, unless the publisher opens up, its hard to make things available.

Re: Bible App for Maemo 5 Device(s)
 

I installed this a couple of weeks ago (when I last posted) and I don't really have anything to add. I have a couple of Bible modules working fine. The search function is a bit cumbersome, and the scrolling leaves a bit to be desired, but it does exactly what it says on the tin. It works fine, and meets my needs adequately. If a sparklier version comes along with Katana, that will be great, but thanks go to all the Rapier people for the 'port' which is certainly usable. :)

One item I'd personally love to have as an add-on, when people get bored with all the work they're already doing (:D) would be the lectionary. In fact, if someone could create a lectionary flat file - or even better an add-on to the calendar! - so I could check next week's readings, look them up (in rapier/katana) and make scribbles (in xournal and saved as pdf...) my sermon creation would be greatly enhanced. Well, it would be easier anyway. Not sure anything could help my sermons. :p

Re: Bible App for Maemo 5 Device(s)
 

Not sure if lectionaries have been retrofitted for digital consumption as easily as Bibles have. But its worth asking a few folks if this has been done. Its most probably not something left to the free software/open source movement to do easily I'm sure. And there are different lectionaries and sacramentals depending on one's denomination. If the effort has already been started here, then maybe Katana - and free software/open source in general - could prove to be quite beneficial to those parts of the Body.

I'll poke a few folks and see if there anything that could be found.

EDIT/ADD: to any of you with lectionaries near your fingers, would you mind sharing the publisher's name (either PM or here directly). It would be those persons to speak to for this.

To the developers: we've talked about making some closed-source modules, can any of you PM me a basic schema (or two) that you were thinking about for this. I'll include a high-level talk of this to those persons that I reach out so that they understand the cost/benefit for them in doing this.

Re: Bible App for Maemo 5 Device(s)
 

There's a sort of general, global ecumenical three year lectionary, I think. the Methodist church in the UK switched to it about 10 years ago. This one? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revised_Common_Lectionary

Actually, it's here: so a linkie to that page would probably provide what's needed as long as one were online. http://lectionary.library.vanderbilt.edu/
*Bookmarks page*

I used to have it on my palm device in a general ministry package. It didn't integrate to the Bible, but did keep notes for the week attached.

Re: Bible App for Maemo 5 Device(s)
 

There are quite a lot of bible apps for your Ipod touch like the Holy Bible by Paul Avery, Touch Bible, Logos, Acro Bible.

The versions you listed are not free and you would need to pay for them. You also need to buy them if they become available for the N900.

Re: Bible App for Maemo 5 Device(s)
 

Thanks for the preview, but would it be possible for each verse to be on a new paragraph with the verse number on the left, this would make it easier to read and find the relevant verse.

Re: Bible App for Maemo 5 Device(s)
 

Below are screen shots taken from Bible Applications( Logos Bible and Holy Bible by Paul Avery) I have used to show navigation layout for that I find easy to use.

A long press on any part of the interface should be able to launch the navigation menu

The layout pattern can be integrated into Katana to make it easy to use and navigation

Re: Bible App for Maemo 5 Device(s)
 

is really so many believers here? :?

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This UI works ok for portrait, but requires too many clicks around the screen for landscape use IMO * use.

For example, the title bar at the top takes too much space to do what is essentially a menu that should simply accept search queries as well as direct scripture references. In the application shot shown, the slider is probably a bit much.

The library at the bottom makes sense, but is too also taking up space where it doesn't need to. The bottom bar, since this is consistent in Maemo 5 should probably contextually change to showing icons/avatars of the resources contained versus being a second box on the top. With the left-most icon serving as a "back/cancel."

I'm a fan of the book/chapter/verse selection screen from my Bible+ days, and it makes sense from a stylus-use standpoint. If used, I'd recommend something of a mixed mode approach, where typing on either one of the book/chapter/verse screens narrows down the items presented - making it much easier to do finger/stylus navigation.

The last shot of the text looks about what I've thought as well. Nothing but the text, and anything additional to come from either tapping on the title bar (opens a search/go-to panel) or doing a gesture-based action within the reading area to bring up more advanced commands.