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Marieke 2009-09-10 08:05
Re: Second discussion topic for co-creation project: CREATIVE MEDIA EDITING & SHARING
 
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Originally Posted by talmage (Post 323303)
How cool would it be to apply our tablets to media problems that are embarrassingly parallelizable? For instance, suppose a dozen of us took a picture of an event, with each picture overlaping one or more of the others. We could make a panoramic picture from the collection. Each tablet would help with the stitching. If we were clever with our exposure settings, we could make an HDR panorama.

Now let's extend that to the audio arena. A bunch of us could go to a They Might Be Giants concert (or put your favorite taper-friendly band here) and make a mono recording of the show. Afterward, we can mix them together into multi-channel audio.
Something like this has been done on this Dutch site: FIY (Film it Yourself). All movies made of a concert were uploaded and put together. I know it has also been done with photos of a building to create a 3D experience of it, but I don't remember what it is called...

timsamoff 2009-09-10 14:25
Re: Second discussion topic for co-creation project: CREATIVE MEDIA EDITING & SHARING
 
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Originally Posted by Marieke (Post 324718)
Something like this has been done on this Dutch site: FIY (Film it Yourself). All movies made of a concert were uploaded and put together. I know it has also been done with photos of a building to create a 3D experience of it, but I don't remember what it is called...
That...is...cool! :D

Tim

qole 2009-09-10 17:13
Re: Second discussion topic for co-creation project: CREATIVE MEDIA EDITING & SHARING
 
Just stumbled across a very interesting article. The thesis is that sitcoms were western society's answer to post-war "cognitive surplus", and that's all changing now with the Internet...

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So how big is that surplus? So if you take Wikipedia as a kind of unit, all of Wikipedia, the whole project--every page, every edit, every talk page, every line of code, in every language that Wikipedia exists in--that represents something like the cumulation of 100 million hours of human thought. I worked this out with Martin Wattenberg at IBM; it's a back-of-the-envelope calculation, but it's the right order of magnitude, about 100 million hours of thought.

And television watching? Two hundred billion hours, in the U.S. alone, every year. Put another way, now that we have a unit, that's 2,000 Wikipedia projects a year spent watching television. Or put still another way, in the U.S., we spend 100 million hours every weekend, just watching the ads. This is a pretty big surplus. People asking, "Where do they find the time?" when they're looking at things like Wikipedia don't understand how tiny that entire project is, as a carve-out of this asset that's finally being dragged into what Tim calls an architecture of participation.
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This is something that people in the media world don't understand. Media in the 20th century was run as a single race--consumption. How much can we produce? How much can you consume? Can we produce more and you'll consume more? And the answer to that question has generally been yes. But media is actually a triathlon, it 's three different events. People like to consume, but they also like to produce, and they like to share.

And what's astonished people who were committed to the structure of the previous society, prior to trying to take this surplus and do something interesting, is that they're discovering that when you offer people the opportunity to produce and to share, they'll take you up on that offer. It doesn't mean that we'll never sit around mindlessly watching Scrubs on the couch. It just means we'll do it less.

Texrat 2009-09-10 17:17
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Who watches Scrubs mindlessly? :D

sjgadsby 2009-09-10 19:01
Re: Second discussion topic for co-creation project: CREATIVE MEDIA EDITING & SHARING
 
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Originally Posted by Marieke (Post 324718)
Something like this has been done on this Dutch site: FIY (Film it Yourself). All movies made of a concert were uploaded and put together.
Thank you for sharing that. The lack of synchronization between the videos made watching them slightly bewildering, but as a demonstration of a concept, it is exciting and motivating.

We're quickly approaching a point where everyone has a device capable of recording and transmitting text, images, audio, video, and location with him or her at all times, and we're therefore entering an era where every public event is documented, in multiple media, from multiple angles. This has interesting ramifications for how the concept of privacy will evolve, and it is a milestone in history. Not just the chronological record, but the field of research that focuses upon it.

Our lifetimes will contain the shift from struggling with scarcity in the search for primary sources to a problem of overabundance. Academic research on visual media search algorithms has a bright future.

Meanwhile, photos text-tagged, dated, and geotagged on Flickr need to be pulled together with videos with similar metadata on YouTube by new, creative tools. These and other content sharing sites need to evolve to become content repositories, offering not only APIs, but also their contents as discreet objects with rich metadata to be filtered and combined by other services.

This relies upon the mobile devices that feed these sites and services providing high quality metadata with content. The devices should gather as much as possible automatically--capture parameters, precise location, precise time, etc.--and make it easy and efficient for users to add further information. With mesh networking, devices could work cooperatively, and anonymously, to suggest tags, Del.icio.us-style: "Recent, local tags include: Maemo Summit, Fremantle, lightning talk..."

If devices in a local mesh can work together to determine each device's location better than any of them could individually, then the metadata accompanying media captured during a highly attended event may allow 3D recreations of that event to be built automatically.

As augmented reality becomes widespread, the sharing comes full circle. Visit a location, view it through your mobile device, and see the history of that spot. Pick a moment in time as the start for "playback", and have the video and images from an event then overlaid on the now. Hear the sounds. Read the tweets. Experience all around you a concert, a speech, a protest, a celebration you didn't attend or one you wish to relive.

Architengi 2009-09-11 16:11
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I think the new thing in creative media and sharing is to have a bluetooth small camera attached to your sun-glasses, hat or on the collar, etc, and you can distribute your live experiences - like qik is on Symbian, or just record your precious life moments as they happen and share them later after editing them on device to fit youtube 10 minutes limit.

Sharing pictures: geo-tag, custom tag.

What if there will be an editor to add text balloons instead of tags with anything (for people name, or funny text messages) on the picture itself?

I think the new thing is to have easy ways for all the tasks. For instance the picture editor I am thinking about to add text ballons on the picture, has to be very easy and intuitive to use, like adding text directly in the balloon, easy change text formatting like font size, color, or font face, easy to add emoticons by using standard text signs like
Code:
:) :p) :D
for :) :p :D and easy to move the balloon tail pointer to the object or person in the picture that you want to point to. Rotation should be very easy with touch movements, cropping, resizing part of the picture also easy with few touch-gestures. The video editing should be very easy and intuitive as well. EASY is what attracts people to use the device and should not be forgotten for any succesfull device.

Another thing is why Nokia is using Facebook when with its user base it can create a NokiaUsers platform which has ovi share as repository for pictures, videos, but everyting to be integrated in the "NokiaUsers" - a better name for this facebook clone is needed, but Nokia needs to lead and in order to do that they need to promote their own services and brands to attract people.

My 2 cents... :)

talmage 2009-09-12 03:28
Re: Second discussion topic for co-creation project: CREATIVE MEDIA EDITING & SHARING
 
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Originally Posted by Architengi (Post 325449)
Another thing is why Nokia is using Facebook when with its user base it can create a NokiaUsers platform which has ovi share as repository for pictures, videos, but everyting to be integrated in the "NokiaUsers" - a better name for this facebook clone is needed, but Nokia needs to lead and in order to do that they need to promote their own services and brands to attract people.
Facebook has 250 million active users. Nokia's goal is to have 300 million by 2012. If Nokia can get any part of the Facebook revenue stream for directing users that way, that's nearly free money.

Architengi 2009-09-12 07:54
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Originally Posted by Archi
>>> Another thing is why Nokia is using Facebook when with its user base it can create a NokiaUsers platform which has ovi share as repository for pictures, videos, but everyting to be integrated in the "NokiaUsers" - a better name for this facebook clone is needed, but Nokia needs to lead and in order to do that they need to promote their own services and brands to attract people.
Facebook has 250 million active users. Nokia's goal is to have 300 million by 2012. If Nokia can get any part of the Facebook revenue stream for directing users that way, that's nearly free money.
The thing is in order to attract customers, now as a "service company" how Nokia likes to redefine itself, for customer retention, Nokia needs to have its own brand service "NokiaUsers-social-page" based on ovi services but integrated in one page. It is not that hard to have a personal page, supporting blog, once the rest of infrastracture (posting images, videos, other files, email, IM) is already in OVI and can be easily integrated in a service "NokiaUsers-social-page" called however they find a proper name ("facebook" and "hi5" names are taken :p) . Nokia can also buy a small company that does this kind of thing and integrate it with ovi services for this purpose.
Why to do this "NokiaUsers-social-page", besides integrating services from Facebook?
* because Nokia has this power to do this, power given by the large user-base, iPhone only has 30 million user-base, but Nokia has 300 million users, more than Facebook users, and if these users are presented with an easy creation / registration for this social page, which can require only a "nickname" because the phone number can be used as an id, then many nokia users will be registered to the "social service"
* because integration with Facebook is offered by Android (HTC, Motorola, Samsung), Apple (iPhone), RIM (Blackberry), so to be somehow more special, Nokia can offer both integration with "Facebook" and "NokiaUsers-Social-Page"
* "NokiaUsers-Social-Page" can be intergrated in Symbian, so existing (millions) and new Symbian users can easily benefit from it

eiffel 2009-09-12 14:09
Re: Second discussion topic for co-creation project: CREATIVE MEDIA EDITING & SHARING
 
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Originally Posted by talmage (Post 323303)
How cool would it be to apply our tablets to media problems that are embarrassingly parallelizable?
Here's one that would be relatively simple to do, and quite fun: a 3-D camera.

Take two N900s, held together side-by-side. Click the shutter on one of them, and both of them take a photo, then exchange the photos with each other and composit them into any kind of 3-D photo format, including wiggle stereoscopy for viewing on the N900 itself.

Regards,
Roger

Marieke 2009-09-14 12:37
Re: Second discussion topic for co-creation project: CREATIVE MEDIA EDITING & SHARING
 
Hi everybody,

I've just posted the third discussion topic on Content Discovery, you can find it here

ragnar 2009-09-28 08:52
Re: Second discussion topic for co-creation project: CREATIVE MEDIA EDITING & SHARING
 
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Originally Posted by eiffel (Post 325815)
Here's one that would be relatively simple to do, and quite fun: a 3-D camera.

Take two N900s, held together side-by-side. Click the shutter on one of them, and both of them take a photo, then exchange the photos with each other and composit them into any kind of 3-D photo format, including wiggle stereoscopy for viewing on the N900 itself.
Or take a picture with the device, move it to the right about 6 cm, take another picture, combine, all within one device. ;)


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