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vvaz 2009-09-04 19:54
Mysterious device
 
This is only one of several KDE developers blogs which mention "mysterious device":

http://blog.morpheuz.cc/04/09/2009/white-as-snow/

Entry (like others) is about Tokamak, meeting for developers of KDE Plasma desktop shell. They get for testing "mysterious" ARM based device. Hardware was without proper SDK, but they get Plasma running almost perfectly (no SVG support).

Add to this fact that lead Plasma dev, Aaron Seigo, who is sponsored by Qt Software, pushed (with very vague explanations) for "netbook profile" designed for ca. 7" screens.

Conclusions are left as an exercise for readers ;)

mrojas 2009-09-04 19:59
Re: Mysterious device
 
Hmmmm

"While it was ok to compile stuff on scratchbox using Maemo SDK..."

Maybe the RX-71/N920 won't use the same desktop as the N900, but instead KDE... hmmmm

Saturn 2009-09-04 22:45
Re: Mysterious device
 
I've seen these guys in the news. They needed some ammo..

:D

jsa 2009-09-05 12:09
Re: Mysterious device
 
From aseigo's blog..

Quote:
Aaron J. Seigo said...

"opinion it's some Nokia, probably N-series. It has to run S60 as OS."

3 incorrect (though plausible!) guesses :)

"Or is it some secret project you can't talk about? "

yes. hopefully it won't be secret for all that much longer, but it's not a done deal yet and currently involves some unreleased hw/sw.
Maybe not this time, but I have no doubt we'll see more Linux on more Nokia hardware.

vvaz 2009-09-05 13:11
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I think this is some Maemo branded device we will se next year. See? No Nokia, No N-series, no S60 :)

Saturn 2009-09-05 13:23
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If true, will be a nice test to check how 'open' Maemo is.

cool.

icebox 2009-09-05 13:27
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I would speculate it might be the Nokia arm netbook that is said to come...

vvaz 2009-09-08 13:44
Re: Mysterious device
 
Official KDE summary about "mysterious device" (among other things):

http://dot.kde.org/2009/09/08/third-...higher-grounds

Quote:
KDE and Plasma on ARM

The Plasma developers worked on running KDE on a so-called "mystery device", a working name for a class of relatively low-performance devices based on the ARM architecture. As a reference device, the developers used a 800 Mhz ARM CPU with 512MB of RAM. During the sprint, KDE 4.2's Plasma was presented running on the device. The overall performance was quite good, although it showed room for improvement. Even without having an accelerated graphics driver available at this point, the developers were quite happy with the performance so far as Souza a.k.a Morpheuz reports on his weblog. Using Qt 4.6 on the device gave another boost in speed. "Even with the short time available to make Plasma run on the device, and without having a proper graphics driver available, we can now be sure that running Plasma on this class of devices is absolutely feasible. I'm sure that, with a bit more integration work, Plasma will offer a premium choice for UI technology on this new class of devices." concludes Souza.

attila77 2009-09-08 14:23
Re: Mysterious device
 
Well, the 800MHz ARM with 512MB RAM is actually spot on for an OMAP3440 configuration...

nowave7 2009-09-08 14:39
Re: Mysterious device
 
Hmm... The article says low-performance... Strange...

jsa 2009-09-08 14:50
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Quote:
Originally Posted by attila77 (Post 323736)
Well, the 800MHz ARM with 512MB RAM is actually spot on for an OMAP3440 configuration...
Quote:
Originally Posted by aseigo's blog
I've hooked up a Freescale MX51 based system that I brought with me to a monitor and keyboard in the main meeting room as well. It's hardware typical of what we will be seeing in netbooks that will be finding their way onto the market in days to come. This obviously dovetails well with our Plasma Netbook efforts and the machine was sent via FedEx to me here in Switzerland so I could bring it along for us to play with and get the latest Plasma goodness running on it.
I'm not very familiar with this stuff, but doesn't Freescale's processor rule out OMAP?

sachin007 2009-09-08 14:52
Re: Mysterious device
 
So this is not nokia hardware right?

tso 2009-09-08 14:56
Re: Mysterious device
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Saturn (Post 321801)
I've seen these guys in the news. They needed some ammo..

:D
err?

btw, is that a standard way to do news reports in USA? ouch!

tso 2009-09-08 14:57
Re: Mysterious device
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jsa (Post 323749)
I'm not very familiar with this stuff, but doesn't Freescale's processor rule out OMAP?
omap is a arm based processor series from texas instruments.

freescale also make arm based processors, but i think the similarity ends there ;)

REMFwhoopitydo 2009-09-08 15:00
Re: Mysterious device
 
i thought all the Omap3 chips used 256MB or ram?

nowave7 2009-09-08 15:11
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Quote:
Originally Posted by REMFwhoopitydo (Post 323756)
i thought all the Omap3 chips used 256MB or ram?
It's a 32 bit CPU architecture, so theoretically it can address 4 GB of RAM.

GeneralAntilles 2009-09-08 15:19
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Quote:
Originally Posted by REMFwhoopitydo (Post 323756)
i thought all the Omap3 chips used 256MB or ram?
No, OMAP3 chips can use a wide variety of RAM sizes, but because of price, availability and power consumption (I'm not sure if there are 512MB PoPs available in any real quantity yet) 256MB is the sweet spot for the moment.

wozik 2009-09-08 15:43
Re: Mysterious device
 
if not Nokia and not Apple, may be it's some kind of Samsung netbook? Just who else could think of such things?

REMFwhoopitydo 2009-09-08 15:45
Re: Mysterious device
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nowave7 (Post 323767)
It's a 32 bit CPU architecture, so theoretically it can address 4 GB of RAM.
true, but TI only produce Omap3 products prepackaged with 256MB so i have heard.

GeneralAntilles 2009-09-08 15:53
Re: Mysterious device
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by REMFwhoopitydo (Post 323799)
true, but TI only produce Omap3 products prepackaged with 256MB so i have heard.
The Beagle originally shipped with 128MB of RAM, so there's one example. The PoP is ordered separately from the SoC anyway.

attila77 2009-09-08 16:20
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Ah yes, I managed to miss the other blog with the freescale hint :)

Quote:
Originally Posted by GeneralAntilles (Post 323776)
No, OMAP3 chips can use a wide variety of RAM sizes, but because of price, availability and power consumption (I'm not sure if there are 512MB PoPs available in any real quantity yet) 256MB is the sweet spot for the moment.
Depending of the device size/layout, they might not even go for (only) PoP memory. The 3440 based ECS T800 is supposed to have 512MB, but true enough, some MX515 devices have been announced with 512MB already.


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