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spinnukur 2009-10-11 19:39
Re: N900 November
 
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Originally Posted by Laughing Man (Post 343925)
Win 7 Mobile should be better. But HTC gutting the OS to me was more like them putting a fresh layer of paint over the entire OS. What happens when you reach a part that they haven't painted over?
And that was one thing Engadget said, eventually you'll hit a few places where the WinMo show's itself, but it's a very small fraction, and I'm sure down the road, HTC updates will fix those.

RevdKathy 2009-10-11 19:45
Re: N900 November
 
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Originally Posted by spinnukur (Post 343928)
HD 2 hasn't even come out yet, and I'm going by specs alone, the facts are clear it's the first phone to have the Snapdragon processor built in, so a full 1GHZ not to mention ram, screen size and a totally overhauled interface . Oh and thanks for your comment about researching alternatives, it's funny to see people snap as soon as you say you're considering an alternative...very immature.
The HTC HD2 does indeed have a wizzy processor and ram, according to the specs. The OS makes me a bit leery of that: every single new version of anything from microsoft I've ever had has come with faster speeds and more ram - because every incarnation of windows has needed that just to function. My main objections were to the capacative screen (I'd much rather work with resistive), lack of a hard keyboard (the device I played with I couldn't type on) and a rather low quality camera with poor optics v a Carl Zeiss lens. That and the fact that getting into windows mobile at this stage is climbing onto something that, even with version 7 due, is ultimately old and cranky, whereas maemo is distinctly newborn.

I don't want an n900 because it's new and shiny (well, I do but that's not my main concern!) but because I've done my research and decided it's the best option for me at this point.

spinnukur 2009-10-11 19:52
Re: N900 November
 
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Originally Posted by RevdKathy (Post 343936)
The HTC HD" does indeed have a wizzy processor and ram, according to the specs. The OS makes me a bit leery of that: every single new version of anything from microsoft I've ever had has come with faster speeds and more ram - because every incarnation of windows has needed that just to function. My main objections were to the capacative screen (I'd much rather work with resistive), lack of a hard keyboard (the device I played with I couldn't type on) and a rather low quality camera with poor optics v a Carl Zeiss lens. That and the fact that getting into windows mobile at this stage is climbing onto something that, even with version 7 due, is ultimately old and cranky, whereas maemo is distinctly newborn.

I don't want an n900 because it's new and shiny (well, I do but that's not my main concern!) but because I've done my research and decided it's the best option for me at this point.
Yeah, I totally agree with you on the last part 'best option for me', I don't just say well I like this because it's new, I compare and research just like everyone else ( it would be stupid not to when spending this amount of money ) I primarily use my phone for work i.e.email, word documents, graph's, etc, but I also like to throw allot of music, videos, games, etc since I'm flying all the time. So for me it's a like 50/50, I like the N900 primarily because I have other Nokia products ( E90, E71 ) and absolutely love them, I also have a 3GS ( which is fun for certain things, but not quite functional because of it's size and no actual keyboard ) which I'm getting rid of to help offset w/e phone I purchase next. I had a Moto Q along time ago, and didn't really mind the WinMo operating system nor did I notice any problems.

zkyevolved 2009-10-11 19:58
Re: N900 November
 
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Originally Posted by spinnukur (Post 343922)
Umm, not flashy toy, a phone that is more powerful than anything that will be on the market including the N900, and by the way check out these vid's and you'll eat your words on the WinMob 6.5 because HTC has pretty much gutted the OS.

http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/06/h...ions-on-video/
I won't lie, that looks like a REALLY nice device. But a device that thin, and that big of a screen, that has to eat up a lot of battery power! haha. I'm still keen on the N900 :) The full qwerty is a selling point for me. :)

Corwin_bg 2009-10-11 20:04
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A major drawback for WM is that it runs on a huge variety of hardware. No application developer in their right mind will choose to target a single device.

This particular Snapdragon will have a lot of free time on its hands (wings?) while it effortlessly runs what 90% of other WM phones can already handle. Shiny toy you'll have, but not software that can make the most of it.

I'd really like to see a healthy competition from WM, but we'll have to wait until WM 7 is out.

spinnukur 2009-10-11 20:09
Re: N900 November
 
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Originally Posted by zkyevolved (Post 343942)
I won't lie, that looks like a REALLY nice device. But a device that thin, and that big of a screen, that has to eat up a lot of battery power! haha. I'm still keen on the N900 :) The full qwerty is a selling point for me. :)
See the keyboard is a huge plus for me solely because on the iPhone I always manage to hit a different key then the one I intended but with a 4.3" screen almost one full inch bigger and after watching that vid on Engadget it looks like that problem would be solved.

les_garten 2009-10-11 20:19
Re: N900 November
 
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Originally Posted by RevdKathy (Post 343920)
I considered buying a different phone. Several different phones, to be exact. I studied and explored each one fully, even to the point of trying out similar hardware just to get a 'feel'. I came very, very close to ordering the HTC HD2. It may be windows mobile, but it has a lot going for it out of the box in terms of history and apps that maemo doesn't. I the end, I rejected it on the grounds I disliked the hardware and it lacked the potential of the n900.

By all means question someone's reasons for wanting a particular phone (and which comes out sooner seems a rather silly reason to me) but don't knock people who've researched the market for having considered the alternatives. That's just common sense. Isn't it?
Look at your last two sentences there. There are no alternatives to this phone IMO. If you think there are, this may not be the phone for you is what I'm saying. The iPhone and Windows mobile will never be an option to me. I used Symbian a lot in the past, but it wasn't the DEAL either. This is the DEAL, at least for me.

A polished Interface to an Open Linux platform on a Phone?

Priceless!

Not being able to do 3G Data on ATT?

Highly irritating!

zkyevolved 2009-10-11 20:47
Re: N900 November
 
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Originally Posted by spinnukur (Post 343953)
See the keyboard is a huge plus for me solely because on the iPhone I always manage to hit a different key then the one I intended but with a 4.3" screen almost one full inch bigger and after watching that vid on Engadget it looks like that problem would be solved.
on screen is on screen. Regardlesso f the screen size. I like the tactile feedback.

spinnukur 2009-10-11 20:54
Re: N900 November
 
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Originally Posted by les_garten (Post 343957)
Look at your last two sentences there. There are no alternatives to this phone IMO. If you think there are, this may not be the phone for you is what I'm saying. The iPhone and Windows mobile will never be an option to me. I used Symbian a lot in the past, but it wasn't the DEAL either. This is the DEAL, at least for me.

A polished Interface to an Open Linux platform on a Phone?

Priceless!

Not being able to do 3G Data on ATT?

Highly irritating!

Okay but that's you, not me or him. What you want need in a phone is totally different than from what I need or use it for, and thinking that what I said is wrong because it doesn't go along with your line of thinking or because I mentioned a particular product you dislike is very ethnocentric.

Laughing Man 2009-10-11 21:04
Re: N900 November
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Corwin_bg (Post 343948)
A major drawback for WM is that it runs on a huge variety of hardware. No application developer in their right mind will choose to target a single device.

This particular Snapdragon will have a lot of free time on its hands (wings?) while it effortlessly runs what 90% of other WM phones can already handle. Shiny toy you'll have, but not software that can make the most of it.

I'd really like to see a healthy competition from WM, but we'll have to wait until WM 7 is out.
Very true, because the OS is on multiple platforms developers are usually going to want to develop for the larger audience. But since Windows Mobile can multi-task that just means you can use the additional horsepower for more multi-tasking.

les_garten 2009-10-11 21:05
Re: N900 November
 
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Originally Posted by spinnukur (Post 343977)
Okay but that's you, not me or him. What you want need in a phone is totally different than from what I need or use it for, and thinking that what I said is wrong because it doesn't go along with your line of thinking or because I mentioned a particular product you dislike is very ethnocentric.
What has Ethnicity got to do with it? You've arrived at a strange conclusion there! Seems to be a common counter attack though now a days, and usually constitutes the core of a weak debate.

My observation was that most Geek types on these forums who appreciate this phone for what it is would never consider the one you mention because it is Philosophically untenable to them, myself included. I don't care how big it's screen is, how shiny it is, how many bells and whistles it has, WM marks it as a big steaming mess.

I would never go out in public and admit to wanting to use WM, but that's me and how I roll...

spinnukur 2009-10-11 21:31
Re: N900 November
 
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Originally Posted by les_garten (Post 343988)
What has Ethnicity got to do with it? You've arrived at a strange conclusion there! Seems to be a common counter attack though now a days, and usually constitutes the core of a weak debate.

My observation was that most Geek types on these forums who appreciate this phone for what it is would never consider the one you mention because it is Philosophically untenable to them, myself included. I don't care how big it's screen is, how shiny it is, how many bells and whistles it has, WM marks it as a big steaming mess.

I would never go out in public and admit to wanting to use WM, but that's me and how I roll...
No one mentioned anything about 'Ethnicity'...ethnocentrism can mean more than one thing. In this case it's quite clear 'believing your way or thinking is correct and everyone else is wrong', because I mentioned something other than the N900, and you come back saying and I quote 'Man, you beat me to it! Anybody that wold consider buying a different phone should just Dew it! This one is obviously not for you. Windows Mobile, gag me with a freakin' Spoon!'.

Okay so that's your view, not mine, so because I'm looking at other phones, I shouldn't get the N900 because it's not for me??? You've clarified your comments now about your observation of why you said what you said, but at the time how was I or the other guy suppose to read your mind and know what you're thinking? It's done, it's over with, we should both move on...

Bratag 2009-10-11 21:37
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I think we question your "research" etc and your decision to buy a phone based on the final conclusion because you basically said you were ready to dump the n900 simply in order to get the other phone sooner.

Now if you had said something like

"I think with this delay and with the fact that the HD2 meets the majority of my requirements I am going to go with it instead"

That would have garnered a better response. Your original post simply sounded like a spoilt kid saying "I am gonna take my ball and bat and go home, if I dont get immediate gratification."

Sorry just the way it came across to me,

spinnukur 2009-10-11 21:50
Re: N900 November
 
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Originally Posted by Bratag (Post 344011)
I think we question your "research" etc and your decision to buy a phone based on the final conclusion because you basically said you were ready to dump the n900 simply in order to get the other phone sooner.

Now if you had said something like

"I think with this delay and with the fact that the HD2 meets the majority of my requirements I am going to go with it instead"

That would have garnered a better response. Your original post simply sounded like a spoilt kid saying "I am gonna take my ball and bat and go home, if I dont get immediate gratification."

Sorry just the way it came across to me,
And thank you for clarifying your thoughts, but logically I would assume anyone who is going to spend over $500 on an unlocked phone would do some kind of research otherwise how do you know if it correctly meets all of your needs? It's like my E90 and E71 ( although I did almost buy the E71 solely because of the steel back...it's seXy), if you look at the E90 and didn't know it has another screen and full keyboard or it's full capabilities you would probably think 'why do I want this brick because literally it's almost the size of one' but once you research what it has, can do, it's pure awesomeness--it's like buying a Chinese made clone for $800 solely because it look's 'nice'.

Anyways, I'm done with this argument, we've all made and clarified our points--there are more productive things we could be talking about.

ppriyank 2009-10-12 01:19
Re: N900 November
 
Finally got my hands on this beauty...went to NOKIA NY, and played with it for good 30-45 mins...LOVIN IT....can't wait till i get it for real!!!

I'm just that excited, thought i'd share my excitement with you guys! :P

spinnukur 2009-10-12 02:06
Re: N900 November
 
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Originally Posted by ppriyank (Post 344083)
Finally got my hands on this beauty...went to NOKIA NY, and played with it for good 30-45 mins...LOVIN IT....can't wait till i get it for real!!!

I'm just that excited, thought i'd share my excitement with you guys! :P

How was it multi-tasking wise? If you played with YouTube did it stutter, if so how many windows were open? I want it bad...

ppriyank 2009-10-12 04:28
Re: N900 November
 
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Originally Posted by spinnukur (Post 344096)
How was it multi-tasking wise? If you played with YouTube did it stutter, if so how many windows were open? I want it bad...
for me, youtube played just fine, no stutterin or anything like that...had about 4 windows open. But one thing that i did not like was, at the same time (with 4 windows open) HULU was stuttering really bad...cud barely watch the video. I hope that Flash 10.1 will fix that issue...but other then that, I SIMPLY LOVED IT! :)

bugelrex 2009-10-12 04:39
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Originally Posted by ppriyank (Post 344145)
for me, youtube played just fine, no stutterin or anything like that...had about 4 windows open. But one thing that i did not like was, at the same time (with 4 windows open) HULU was stuttering really bad...cud barely watch the video. I hope that Flash 10.1 will fix that issue...but other then that, I SIMPLY LOVED IT! :)

Which 4 applications did you have running. Just curious if they were heavy ones such as playing a movie, ovi maps, bounce games, etc.

spinnukur 2009-10-12 04:55
Re: N900 November
 
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Originally Posted by ppriyank (Post 344145)
for me, youtube played just fine, no stutterin or anything like that...had about 4 windows open. But one thing that i did not like was, at the same time (with 4 windows open) HULU was stuttering really bad...cud barely watch the video. I hope that Flash 10.1 will fix that issue...but other then that, I SIMPLY LOVED IT! :)
I think I remember someone saying Hulu didn't play well at all, something to do with them having their site updated always to the newest flash or something.


Oh, oh wait. Did you play with the GPS? If so is their turn by turn navigation? I know this is one thing we all really wanna know.

mykenyc 2009-10-12 05:09
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i played with it also and loved it. Can't really test the GPS being that its displayed in the back of the store. I did notice the snes emulator on it beat the first level on mario haha. I cannot wait to get this device myself.

spinnukur 2009-10-12 05:15
Re: N900 November
 
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Originally Posted by mykenyc (Post 344159)
i played with it also and loved it. Can't really test the GPS being that its displayed in the back of the store. I did notice the snes emulator on it beat the first level on mario haha. I cannot wait to get this device myself.
My blood pressure just went through the roof...snes emulator....oh yeah!

mykenyc 2009-10-12 05:18
Re: N900 November
 
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Originally Posted by spinnukur (Post 344161)
My blood pressure just went through the roof...snes emulator....oh yeah!
Lol yea but i couldn't for the life of me find a way to remap the keys or make it full wide screen . Maybe i just don't know the OS all that well yet.:confused:

spinnukur 2009-10-12 05:33
Re: N900 November
 
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Originally Posted by mykenyc (Post 344163)
Lol yea but i couldn't for the life of me find a way to remap the keys or make it full wide screen . Maybe i just don't know the OS all that well yet.:confused:
I just hope in the final fw their is voice turn by turn navigation

Bratag 2009-10-12 13:27
Re: N900 November
 
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Originally Posted by spinnukur (Post 344169)
I just hope in the final fw their is voice turn by turn navigation
There wont be, they have already said it wont be available at release. Probably a future update


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