maemo 5 on netbook?
 

hi all...
just saw someone flash a netbook that was using windows ce with the android os. it got me to thinking....can we use maemo5 os on a netbook? and if so...where do we start in order to do this?

Re: Install Maemo on non-Nokia device: phone, tablet, MID, netbook, etc.?
 

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Possible to port Maemo 5 to Nexus One hardware?
 

As the title says, is it possible to port Maemo 5 to the Nexus One hardware?

My brother has a Nexus One while I have an N900. I would like to see Android running on my device while he would like to see Maemo running on his.

Any suggestions about how to go about porting Maemo 5 to Nexus One?

Re: Possible to port Maemo 5 to Nexus One hardware?
 

i'm sure it's possible. just don't think there is much demand for porting maemo to the nexus one.

Re: Possible to port Maemo 5 to Nexus One hardware?
 

Yes agreed. Amongst the developers there does not seem to be much interest.

I saw this request on xda-developers forum as well but again, it needs at least one developer who's willing to make the effort.
Personally, I don't know anything about porting an OS otherwise I'd certainly try.

It may help though if someone could point us in the right direction, then I can pass the info on to xda.

Re: Install Maemo on non-Nokia device: phone, tablet, MID, netbook, etc.?
 

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Re: Install Maemo on non-Nokia device: phone, tablet, MID, netbook, etc.?
 

Mer on Archos:

http://forum.archosfans.com/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=33129

http://www.slashgear.com/archos-5-ge...video-1084946/

So, in answer to the OP, yes.

Re: Running Maemo on Android hardware
 

Is there any mobile platform with open 3D drivers?

After some research of most common Android hardware I found that nor Qualcomm MSM7200A, nor Samsung S3C6410 chips have open 3D driver available.

Lack of 3D is a showstopper for porting Maemo 5 (as N810 owners sadly found out).

Re: Running Maemo on Android hardware
 

Motorola XT701 might be a target. It's based on Cortex A8.

Re: Running Maemo on Android hardware
 

I'm not that experience with Android myself, but there was some interesting stuff written recently with the spat between the kernel maintainers and the Android team about removal of the source from the staging tree.

So it's mostly a standard kernel with some out of tree patches. I believe the dispute was resolved and Google/OHA have promised to work to get the patches back into mainline. But it appear that the biggest problem is drivers (not surprisingly); maybe dj_steve has some perspective on this based on this nitdroid experience?

Re: Running Maemo on Android hardware
 

I understand why you want more power, but a port of Maemo/Mer/MeeGo won't be hitting an Android device anytime soon, realistically. I suspect Android devices are locked down to prevent this. And you should know, if it were to happen it won't be as optimized as the real deal (N900) so performance will really take a hit. But you should also know how much power difference their is between your likely candidates:

I found out on a few threads that the OMAP3530 (600MHz) is slower than the Snapdragon (1GHz), no suprise.

But what I also found was it was only marginally faster. Something listed as overclocking the OMAP to nearly 870MHz is equivalent to an underclocked 768MHz Snapdragon (eg Acer Liquid A1). They're both derivatives of ARM's Cortex A8 so no suprise.
Random Google searches, I found that the 3430 can do 1200*** MIP/sec (Millions of Instructions per Second), while the QSD8250 can do 2100. ***In addition, private benchmarkers point that the OMAP is slower (248, 433) than QSD (427, 674) MIPS for Compressing and Decompressing respectively.
However the QSD would obviously have an unfair advantage with double (256->512MB) RAM.***
In terms of CPU, upgrading from the N900 to a QSD device should yield you around 13-46%*** more power, which may or may not be necessary or even accessible for the Applications your running.


On a side note, I've read the QSD doesn't have true graphics accelaration ie a GPU. And this is no suprise, as HTC has been supporting QSD for a long-time and although processor speeds/performance grew (or multiplied) several times over time, the graphics capabilities have never increased substantially. This is because HTC did not buy/include the 3D drivers for their devices, so their was no hardware acceleration.

QSD's can average 22M polygons/sec a number very poor to such a powerful CPU.
The N900 has a dedicated GPU by PowerVr: the SGX530 which (is outdated now) can handle 14M polygons/sec.
Technically a small (30-50%) performance boost.

So, in terms of emulation, upgrading from the N900 to a QSD device should allow you to run much more fluidly with the 35%*** in CPU and 35% GPU power boost. However, as said before, the likelihood that "MaerGo" will be ported is low, let alone an optimized one.
So instead you'd be thinking just go with the Android OS that came with it. But also remember that native applications will always perform better than their "java" counterparts and this will be noticeable on "high-performance" Applications. The overall performance will be very similar (don't expect more than 15% benefit) between the N900 and the Android QSD devices.

Have a look at PSX emulation comparisons between the two platforms, and so you'll see the truth behind it.

Or even compare iPhone 3GS emulators to the QSD devices since the 3GS is also in the power range of the N900 and runs natively!

Glad to share some info to all of you :)

ed: sorry I can't spell!
*** ed2: I found other sources disproving the MIPS so I've corrected those claims, meaning QSD performs a little better than previously stated but doesn't alter the lasting conclusion/comments.
Those sources are 3GS vs Nexus1 and Private benchmark that confirms the other source for the power difference

Re: Running Maemo on Android hardware
 

Also to add:

That being said, comparing the OMAP 3430 and the QSD 8250, the first difference in their architecture is that the 3430 off loads some CPU intensive tasks (video, audio, digital signal processing) to dedicated co-processors (GPU, DPS, etc) while the Snapdragon processes all of it in their CPU.

So, if you are watching a video in the 3430, the main 600 Mhz CPU is doing nothing, letting the GPU work on it; while the 8250 main 1 Ghz CPU is busy decoding the video, which probably takes a fair chunk of that 1 Ghz.

It is a different approach to the solve the same basic problem. I prefer the N900's methods as it means graphics can be superior since those co-processors were designed for that architecture unlike the CPU which is more of a "generic workhorse".
And it also means the N900's CPU is free to do more tasks (ie multitasking) and doing so more efficiently than the QSD's; an added benefit.

edit: Read: Anandtech for more details

Re: Running Maemo on Android hardware
 

^ ^bump

Re: Running Maemo on Android hardware
 

I am not looking for power. 900MHz overclocked N900 beats anything available now.
I am looking for thinner form factor, bigger screen, capacitive touch screen, slicker design.
That is why XT701 is an appealing device - with the same hardware as N900 I could just use the same drivers. With a bit of luck building Maemo image for XT701 should not take me a lot of time.

Re: Running Maemo on Android hardware
 

Firstly the N900 oc'd to 900MHz doesn't beat everything, a 1GHz Snapdragon should still pull away in most programs/benchmarks. In addition, at 900MHz it would be very unstable and the lifetime of your device will be very limited, not that you care.

I can't think of any reason why you'd want to buy an Android device and put Maemo 5 on it rather than just buying an N900.
Reasons could include: more power, more functions, different or better form factor.

In terms of power, yes there are more powerful devices out there and this would certainly be an advantage. And I've disclosed this with details from previous post, please examine.
More functions, the N900 has everything you could ask for. The only features it lacks are WiMax (which is so scarce it doesn't matter), Gaming controls (but no other device has it), in built TV-tuner (which is only found in KIRFs) and a 8MP Camera for 720p HD video (which doesn't matter since the 5MP Carl Zeiss is great).

Different or better form factor. This is a very subjective field, but I argue this is not so valid since the N900 is a brickform like the iPhone (which gains so much praise) but it is also a slide-out QWERTY form so it succeeds where Apple fails. It is bulkier than other phones but still pocket friendly and portable.

So I cannot see any reasoning for attempting such a port. Am I telling you not to do it: No. It is always great to add some variety to the field like the XDA-chefs. If anything, I would advise you to port it to the HTC EVO 4G/Incredible so we have MaerGo on really impressive phones. Just don't forget to share your accomplishments with the community.

BTW why dont you try the Motorola Milestone/Droid pretty much the same thing as the XT701 but has been released for some time and is actually widely supported, so you can find an apprentice chef to help you.

Re: Running Maemo on Android hardware
 

You're telling me, that my overclocked N900 that is stable as before and does not show any problems, shouldn't be stable. I will keep that information for myself, because if it knew that it might comply. ;-)

I enumerated my reasons for looking for other device, yet you still can't think of any.

I already stated why HTC EVO 4G dropped out of scope, yet you are suggesting this device.

Do you even read my posts, or you already know better without need to do so?

Re: Running Maemo on Android hardware
 

@Kangal I don't think the OP wanted to get into a debate about performance semantics of the various smart phones on the market.

@smoku - could be really interesting to get Maemo on the Andriod devices. May lead to an increase in interest in Maemo (and thus more apps being developed)

Re: Running Maemo on Android hardware
 

@smoku
Thanks, but don't get the wrong message.
I'm not de-motivating you. I'm just saying to me it feels like getting MaerGo ported to the Motorola seems like a waste of effort. It is basically the N900 in a slightly different form (as you've pointed out the differences). But little effort is better than none. I'm grateful you can accomplish something so easy/difficult, as I'm an enthusiast which knows nothing on how to code.
I didn't see you state anything about the HTC EVO 4G so I gave that "advice". I think what you were trying to say was of the old Qualcomm processors based on ARM11, and needing drivers licensed, if I recall properly. This is the case with all Qualcomm processors. And as you said 3D drivers is the dealbreaker.
But I've stated earlier although HTC doesn't buy the drivers, the HTC devices with QSD processor can still do 3D graphics at an average of 22M polygons/sec which is why we can see early N64 emulation on the Nexus One. So even without the driver, it is very capable!
But if it makes you feel any better, its possible to apply a "short-patch" (custom made driver which doesn't work at the max efficiency but still increases performance) as was done to the TyTnII (Tilt), then later to the Diamond/TP/TP2/X1/X2 devices by the XDA-community.

@cashclientel
I wasn't entering a performance debate, but it is good to have solid facts when trying to make a rational point. Agree?

@all
Doing such a port would increase the MaerGo platform. And, if successful, it will be good to attract even more developers to it. What would be unexpected and much praised if this port could dual-boot or even totally erase the original OS, unlike with WinMo devices.

Re: Install Maemo on non-Nokia device: phone, tablet, MID, netbook, etc.?
 

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Re: Install Maemo on non-Nokia device: phone, tablet, MID, netbook, etc.?
 

Oh..kay?
I'm pro to a little thread clean-up but you've missed putting the first post (OP) of the thread in this merging.
I was very confused reading since its hard to tell who is replying to who when there is no quotation.
Just putting it out there so you'd keep this in mind for next time.

Re: Install Maemo on non-Nokia device: phone, tablet, MID, netbook, etc.?
 

No, the entire thread was merged.

Yes, quoting the post to which you are replying is encouraged.

Porting maemo to other devices?
 

I've googled around and can't seem to find any information about efforts to port Maemo to other devices as is so common with other embedded Linux (most recently with Android).

Do people know of resources for doing such a thing? I also looked around on xda developers and found nothing. Is there some reason why this isn't done?

I saw that there were some proprietary bits but they didn't look like a big deal to replace. Is there some crucial proprietary piece I'm not aware of?

Thanks.

Re: Porting maemo to other devices?
 

Should I assume from the lack of answers that this isn't possible?

Has anyone heard of other devices running Maemo?? (I've only heard of one, the HTC HD2 and I believe that turned out to be a fake)

Re: Porting maemo to other devices?
 

why do u wanna install maemo on other stuff?
ppl wanna install other os on n900 :S

Re: Porting maemo to other devices?
 

Maemo is suffering from the Osbourne effect. I suggest you look at Meego.

Re: Install Maemo on non-Nokia device: phone, tablet, MID, netbook, etc.?
 

I think I'm going to leave Nokia and get a Galaxy S. But I really wouldn't want to leave this community or Maemo.

Any interest... anyone?

Re: Install Maemo on non-Nokia device: phone, tablet, MID, netbook, etc.?
 

I did buy galaxy s, but i'm most probally going to get the first MeeGo phone when it gets out.

Re: Install Maemo on non-Nokia device: phone, tablet, MID, netbook, etc.?
 

Interest in what?

Re: Install Maemo on non-Nokia device: phone, tablet, MID, netbook, etc.?
 

Bringing maemo to other devices... android feels clumsy and to be honest I'm not really sure of my choice...

Re: Install Maemo on non-Nokia device: phone, tablet, MID, netbook, etc.?
 

Check my signature: .:. Anemo/FreGo . . .

Re: Install Maemo on non-Nokia device: phone, tablet, MID, netbook, etc.?
 

Yup, I've seen :D

So does this mean a fully backward compatible meego that can be installed on other devices as well?

Of course I don't dare dream at telephony and other closed packages that nokia keep to themselves...

Re: Install Maemo on non-Nokia device: phone, tablet, MID, netbook, etc.?
 

My goal is to create a MeeGo image with Fremantle UI, that is installable on non-nokia devices.
Getting telephony running is on the wishlist. :)

Re: Install Maemo on non-Nokia device: phone, tablet, MID, netbook, etc.?
 

This sounds fantastic!
But won't there be unwanted UI element interaction? I mean fremantle looks a bit bulky, if some elements in the meego ui will be smoother, they may not fit in, or will they? Or can meego apps display the default UI?

How about backward compatibility? is this UI only or will maemo apps be compatible?

I don't know about nokia telephony but I've just read samsung might have opened up such packages. THe news is here in the competitors thread.

Re: Install Maemo on non-Nokia device: phone, tablet, MID, netbook, etc.?
 

I do not want to use MeeGo UI. Only MeeGo core.

As for backward compatibility - one would need to repackage apps to rpm. But most of the Maemo system is already available on Gitorious, so there should be no issues.

Maemo for Tablets
 

I would like to know if it would be possible to modify/create a maemo image for tablets. For example let say I wanted to modify the image to run on an Archos gen x tablet 70 or 101, I believe they are ARM based. Would that be possible?

Re: Maemo for Tablets
 

Better to port MeeGo really, existing work is already going on ..

Re: Install Maemo on other, non-Nokia device: phone, tablet, MID, netbook, etc.?
 

The following threads have been merged into this thread:

• "Porting maemo to other devices?" (4 posts)
• "Maemo for Tablets" (2 posts)

Fremantle to new hardware?
 

I had to register here just to make this posting.


Although I am most sure that there must be some sort of agreement that prevents this from happening but I must ask that why I have not found any word about porting Maemo Fremantle to new hardware?

I mean look at Maemo, it is ready and mature as hell! It has applications, best multitasking in the business, very nice interface but aging hardware.

All I ever wanted was a hardware upgrade to my aging N900! It would be THE perfect phone with modern hardware. Why nobody talks of this? Everyone is just sitting in sinking ship waiting for water to flood in?

I get it if Maemo ties with Nokia prevent this but if there are no such ties then c'mon guys! I would get on with it if I had the skills.


That felt good. Thank you for your time.

Pexi

Re: Fremantle to new hardware?
 

As there is no thanks button. Thanks this way. Politics!

Re: Fremantle to new hardware?
 

This has been discussed already but it all boils down to the fact that there are still far too many drivers and "blobs" in the coding that are closed source.

However if you want the maemo experience on other platforms(as many do), there is a very active project aimed at bringing the Hildon desktop (maemo UI) to meego that is already making great strides with other hardware. And the Apps are making their way to meego too.

Click on the cordia banner at the top of the page to see more.

Edit: Also...Welcome to the forums :)