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allnameswereout 2009-09-25 18:18

Re: well respected reviewer "eldar" throwing caution to N900
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by danramos (Post 333645)
Copying for yourself is SUPPOSED to generally fall under 'fair use' provisions in our laws--it's, in fact, a right granted by the Constitution. Illegally distributing, publicly performing, and making money off of someone else's production, while illegal, no... NONE of that is STEALING and it's boggling logic to equate any of that with robbing a person of one's possession when you've simply duplicated a possession and left the original copy intact. Illegal, maybe.. but it's not 'stealing.' Let's try and illegally COPY that guy's television or microwave, over there, before we start equating them.

For example, the crimes committed in this case were both copyright infringement as well as cracking. This was however via Internet while we don't know how Eldar obtained the alleged N900 prototype hardware/software.

Obtaining it involved a physical deed not committed over the Internet, and given he 1) leaked confidential information 2) is afraid for Nokia to find his personal details it appears he did not receive his N900 prototype through legal circuits. Therefore, it is reasonable to suspect Eldar of a crime, most likely 'theft' indeed.

You can applaud him for releasing confidential information which you'd have received (albeit later) anyway much like you can applaud the HL2 cracker to spread source code of HL2 but I know in the latter case some people compiled the source and played the game, while it was not stable. This gave HL2 a bad name. One can also argue 'better bad publicity than none at all'; OK, might be true.

Texrat 2009-09-25 18:35

Re: well respected reviewer "eldar" throwing caution to N900
 
Next: well-defended eldar throws eager supporters under bus.

eldarmurtazin 2009-09-25 19:55

Re: well respected reviewer "eldar" throwing caution to N900
 
Funny to read a lot of rubbish about me and my articles. Glad to see that at least some of people could think by yourself and make conclusions.

Trying to clarify some things.

First of all, I'm not using expirience from 3hd parties apps to make conclusions about stability of devices, that's stupid and Nokia/Maemo couldnt be in charge of that codes.

Second thing which you have take to account. No one is provide review nowadays and no one except some Nokia/Maemo stuff, have units like me. Welcome in real world. The same situation with many others products (not only Nokia). And I dont care how jealous people could be, sometimes like here. I hear a lot of cryes in a style:
- he havent anything
- he have not a final things
- his things is not working properly etc

Unfortunately for someone, my connection in this industry much higher than anyone here could have and I working with all companies (vendors/operators) on the market (except a few, frankly speaking).

Next big thing. A very few of you see in review of Maemo5 (how you read it? through Google Translator? haha) the main topic. I'm not discussed unstability in any way, just mention it. I disscused limitation of platform which we faced today (no EQ, no MMS, no many others things). Thats not a good thing for power user which will come from S60 platform. And if they will buy device without knowing possible limitation they will said a lot of rude words against Maemo/Nokia etc. And I call that kind of things a very bad PR. Nowadays a lot of enthusiasts of Maemo trying to push OS to the market. Good, but not a smart move. OS is not ready for mass market, is not ready even for mass market itself.

Guys from Maemo team see that the last stable FW with moderate usage (online services, WiFi, contact lists etc) generate one crash per day (under crash i Mean reboot of device). If you will use some software for checking memory leakage, you will see a lot of interesting details about standard apps. Etc

Next things. When I write first preview (actually it was made in June), I didnt care about fw/stability and other things. Because it was a long way to market and things have to be changed dramatically. But it isnt happens nowadays. Now, device is producing with such software which we have now. With some limitations in quantities, market availability, but in any way. That's production cycle which started. And on several devices I have on the same pattern of usage the same mistakes in software part. The hardware is great and will be on market for 2-3 years. But GSM part is a little bit problematic now (3G networks), software glitches are obvious. Check bug list for Maemo5 or ask how many details it consists. You will be astonished. But I dont believe that anyone from nokia will be discussed this topic open minded and frankly.

In any case, you keen about Maemo5/RX51 - so I am. But the only huge difference between us, that I see potential of platform, not current state of development. And my expirience tell me that this device with such SW wont get a very positive feedback from mass market (for you and other fans of Maemo or previous devices, is pretty ok). But sometimes people prefer to be blind and deaf. Who cares? We will see what will happens in 6-7 weeks. So enjoy before that time you feelings. They will be different from mass market feedback.

Texrat 2009-09-25 20:09

Re: well respected reviewer "eldar" throwing caution to N900
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by eldarmurtazin (Post 333754)
Unfortunately for someone, my connection in this industry much higher than anyone here...

ROFL... :rolleyes:

zerojay 2009-09-25 20:14

Re: well respected reviewer "eldar" throwing caution to N900
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by eldarmurtazin (Post 333754)
...

Well, thanks for at least coming here and talking to us about it even if you aren't happy about what some of us have been saying about you and the article.

eldarmurtazin 2009-09-25 20:14

Re: well respected reviewer "eldar" throwing caution to N900
 
Texrat
So may be you see products for 2011 from major player on this market? or hekp with development of marketing strategy for some of them. Go on... You are funny

Texrat 2009-09-25 20:16

Re: well respected reviewer "eldar" throwing caution to N900
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by eldarmurtazin (Post 333766)
Texrat
So may be you see products for 2011 from major player on this market? or hekp with development of marketing strategy for some of them. Go on... You are funny

Go back and look at the quote I chuckled at, eldar. You got it wrong.

eldarmurtazin 2009-09-25 20:17

Re: well respected reviewer "eldar" throwing caution to N900
 
zerojay
Actually, it was a pleasure to read a lot of things here. You all made my day :)

I'm pretty happy with such things, I hear them around 5-6 years in the same manner, nothing changed

ragnar 2009-09-25 20:19

Re: well respected reviewer "eldar" throwing caution to N900
 
Welcome aboard, Eldar. :)

sachin007 2009-09-25 20:21

Re: well respected reviewer "eldar" throwing caution to N900
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by eldarmurtazin (Post 333754)
Funny to read a lot of rubbish about me and my articles. Glad to see that at least some of people could think by yourself and make conclusions.

Trying to clarify some things.

First of all, I'm not using expirience from 3hd parties apps to make conclusions about stability of devices, that's stupid and Nokia/Maemo couldnt be in charge of that codes.

Second thing which you have take to account. No one is provide review nowadays and no one except some Nokia/Maemo stuff, have units like me. Welcome in real world. The same situation with many others products (not only Nokia). And I dont care how jealous people could be, sometimes like here. I hear a lot of cryes in a style:
- he havent anything
- he have not a final things
- his things is not working properly etc

Unfortunately for someone, my connection in this industry much higher than anyone here could have and I working with all companies (vendors/operators) on the market (except a few, frankly speaking).

Next big thing. A very few of you see in review of Maemo5 (how you read it? through Google Translator? haha) the main topic. I'm not discussed unstability in any way, just mention it. I disscused limitation of platform which we faced today (no EQ, no MMS, no many others things). Thats not a good thing for power user which will come from S60 platform. And if they will buy device without knowing possible limitation they will said a lot of rude words against Maemo/Nokia etc. And I call that kind of things a very bad PR. Nowadays a lot of enthusiasts of Maemo trying to push OS to the market. Good, but not a smart move. OS is not ready for mass market, is not ready even for mass market itself.

Guys from Maemo team see that the last stable FW with moderate usage (online services, WiFi, contact lists etc) generate one crash per day (under crash i Mean reboot of device). If you will use some software for checking memory leakage, you will see a lot of interesting details about standard apps. Etc

Next things. When I write first preview (actually it was made in June), I didnt care about fw/stability and other things. Because it was a long way to market and things have to be changed dramatically. But it isnt happens nowadays. Now, device is producing with such software which we have now. With some limitations in quantities, market availability, but in any way. That's production cycle which started. And on several devices I have on the same pattern of usage the same mistakes in software part. The hardware is great and will be on market for 2-3 years. But GSM part is a little bit problematic now (3G networks), software glitches are obvious. Check bug list for Maemo5 or ask how many details it consists. You will be astonished. But I dont believe that anyone from nokia will be discussed this topic open minded and frankly.

In any case, you keen about Maemo5/RX51 - so I am. But the only huge difference between us, that I see potential of platform, not current state of development. And my expirience tell me that this device with such SW wont get a very positive feedback from mass market (for you and other fans of Maemo or previous devices, is pretty ok). But sometimes people prefer to be blind and deaf. Who cares? We will see what will happens in 6-7 weeks. So enjoy before that time you feelings. They will be different from mass market feedback.

Yeah it is a good thing that you came here to post your views. But the way u gave good review about the n900 initially and later on bashed it saying that there was stability issues while other reviewers also said that it was one of the most stable device made people to think that you were seeking more attention.
Many people here are just complaining that you failed to mention the firmware of your device and how you got your n900. Without that information many of the new users who are interested in maemo will not get the full picture. For us maemo your review is really not a big deal because we know a lot about maemo but it may mis guide new to be maemo users.


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