Re: well respected reviewer "eldar" throwing caution to N900
 

livefreeordie
quotation is pretty accurate :)

but market of mobile devices and market of desktop solution isnt connected, even today

Re: well respected reviewer "eldar" throwing caution to N900
 

Eldar, you mention "mass market" very often. I believe you use it in the same way that it is used by professionals of this sector e.g. Anssi Vanjoki. You saw him in his Nokia World keynote. Didn't he talk about how Maemo 5 and the N900 relate to the mass market?

I believe Maemo 5 and the N900 are good products for the market that are targeting. But I'm of course explicitely biased.

PS: as a rule of thumb, in the industry "mass market" is at least 10x bigger than what the average talk.maemo.org reader has in mind when typing that term. ;) That's a lesson I learned myself after joining Nokia.

Re: well respected reviewer "eldar" throwing caution to N900
 

Yes when I think a product is not ready for "mass markets" I think this is almost the same as when a product "does not reasonably conform to the ordinay buyers expectations" (i.e., implied warranty of merchantability), which is a very serious thing since it means it is junk.

Re: well respected reviewer "eldar" throwing caution to N900
 

I was about to post when I stumbled across Eldar posting here; dang it if the dude took all the sense (near-wisdom) that I wanted to post and added data with it.

Eldar, its good that you've stopped through here. The [[lack of understanding and communicating relevantly the] history of how you've done mobile device/service/culture reporting is what started the lapses in emotions in this thread, and yet there will still be some of those lapses remaining because your focus isn't necessarily what some here might aspire to with this type of device. If I could speak Russian, I'd love to sit down with you and pick your brain - even in English, your words/phrases are quite restrained (for good reason).

Mass market - now we are getting to the reason why I'm over at Maemo-Guru writing pieces ;) Things are just so much different on that side of the fence.

Re: well respected reviewer "eldar" throwing caution to N900
 

I'm understand when someone dissapointed that someone else have all up-to-date toys. It happens. On my table right now - 2 robots which will be launch later this year, 3 MID, 2 phones, 1 netbook, 2 mp4 players - none of them are announced. And what? If you want to know how to get latest devices trying to be Eldar Murtazin Receipe is so simple. And i wont mention this question about device anymore, no point to discuss

Um I never mentioned being jealous - I really dont give a flying fudge at a rolling donut if you have a levitating fem bot with HD blueray player implanted in her privates on your desk. All I wanted was you to give some indication how you got the device and the firmware installed on it. Since you STILL have not provided either I am treating your review as the blatherings of someone with a stolen device and ancient firmware and as such a complete pile of guano.

Re: well respected reviewer "eldar" throwing caution to N900
 

We have father, techie, ubergeek
We have son, wannabe techie
We have daughter, can use (and destroy) her laptop
We have mother, can use Outlook
We have grandma, can use her pace maker, clueless

We're now trying to cater to mom. :D

My point is, after you had the techies there is a hu(uuuuuuu)ge market of non-techies. They're not all the same. Each have their preference, their needs, their interests.

Re: well respected reviewer "eldar" throwing caution to N900
 

Since when has over 400€ / $ devices in cellular phone industry been mass-market products anyway? No wonder N900 then seems it is not something for mass markets. Kinda like saying that the cheapest Ferrari must have something wrong with it because clearly it is not ready for the mass markets...

Re: well respected reviewer "eldar" throwing caution to N900
 

My fem-bot doesn't levitate :(

Must have old fw........................

Re: well respected reviewer "eldar" throwing caution to N900
 

Eldar, maybe you missed it first time round, but do you think its possible you just have a dodgy piece of hardware and maybe your experiences are not indicative of the hardware and firmware in general?

Re: well respected reviewer "eldar" throwing caution to N900
 

I'd love to be able to agree completely with that that but there are just too many kinks between the threads of wisdom.

Now, if he was more forthcoming about the device origins and related matters, along with stopping the grandiose claims and assumptions, we'd be in sync. ;)