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qole 2009-09-26 16:09

Re: well respected reviewer "eldar" throwing caution to N900
 
I just wish some of you could have been civil and polite to Eldar.
I had higher expectations for this community.

sachin007 2009-09-26 16:41

Re: well respected reviewer "eldar" throwing caution to N900
 
A tweet from twitter

"Wow i had 26 apps open on my N900 - 6 sites running ajax, music player, email and more - and no real performance difference"

fms 2009-09-26 17:38

Re: well respected reviewer "eldar" throwing caution to N900
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by benny1967 (Post 334228)
the N900 will be incomplete even compared to an average S40-phone, and of course it lacks a whole lot of features I use regularly with my S60 phone.

Incomplete how? If you mean MMS, I personally can't care less about MMS and so do most cellular users. Quoting today's Slashdot article, "In 2008, MMS made up just 2.5 percent of all messages sent from phones worldwide, meaning about 97.5 percent were SMS text messages, according to ABI Research. ABI expects the MMS share to grow to just 4.5 percent by 2014." Other than MMS, I do not see what your S40 phone can do that N900 can't.

fms 2009-09-26 17:40

Re: well respected reviewer "eldar" throwing caution to N900
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by sachin007 (Post 334299)
A tweet from twitter "Wow i had 26 apps open on my N900 - 6 sites running ajax, music player, email and more - and no real performance difference"

But none of them run in portrait mode and he can't send them over MMS! FAIL, right? =)

benny1967 2009-09-26 17:54

Re: well respected reviewer "eldar" throwing caution to N900
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by fms (Post 334315)
I personally can't care less about MMS and so do most cellular users.

that's not the point, is it?
even if they use such features only once a year, most people expect them to be available on a >500,- phone when they need them.

also, i don't quite understand your being so upset. the phone part on the N900 is far behind. if you don't need these missing features in a phone, be happy. but don't try to deny that they are missing.

Ovek 2009-09-26 18:04

Re: well respected reviewer "eldar" throwing caution to N900
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by benny1967 (Post 334319)
the phone part on the N900 is far behind. if you don't need these missing features in a phone, be happy. but don't try to deny that they are missing.

Care to expand on what's missing exactly? Other than MMS of course ;)

I do agree that a £500 mobile phone should have MMS however, dam I can go to my local supermarket and get a phone for peanuts that supports it... ironically it would probably be a Nokia phone :D

mrojas 2009-09-26 18:08

Re: well respected reviewer "eldar" throwing caution to N900
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ragnar (Post 334145)
Kind of, yes. :)

For instance, I'm not involved in the marketing. But take the N800 and N810, they weren't heavily marketed, in relation to how Nokia usually markets their devices. I (as a purely personal opinion) would have seen heavy marketing for them as counter-productive. They weren't ready for mass markets, on many levels, the UX being one of them.

If some John Doe would have been targeted and found by a N800 ad, and he would have gone through the trouble of trying to see the device and perhaps even buy one, and get disappointed over what he bought, it wouldn't have been very good for either Maemo or Nokia in the long run.

Just for the record, the "irony" part is not directed to Nokia, but to all so called "experts" that keep saying Nokia should do this or that and that they know better.

I remember Nokia World: I was also surprised at the way the N900 was heavily downplayed.

Now I understand why, there are many elements not ready for mass consumption. I am glad Nokia has been open about those, in fact.

fms 2009-09-26 18:15

Re: well respected reviewer "eldar" throwing caution to N900
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by benny1967 (Post 334319)
that's not the point, is it? even if they use such features only once a year, most people expect them to be available on a >500,- phone when they need them.

What is not the point? My original point was that not having MMS is not the point. Is that point not the point? =)

Quote:

also, i don't quite understand your being so upset. the phone part on the N900 is far behind. if you don't need these missing features in a phone, be happy. but don't try to deny that they are missing
Not sure why you think I am upset in some way, but I do not see how you can reason about N900 phone part being "far behind" based on a single missing feature (MMS), especially considering that according to reasearch hardly anyone uses it. After all, you have not even used N900, which seems to be necessary for being able to make such statements.

pycage 2009-09-26 18:45

Re: well respected reviewer "eldar" throwing caution to N900
 
I'm also interested in what's far behind with the phone functionality on the N900. I think it's quite on par with what e.g. Android has to offer there. What are the missing parts?

ColonelKilkenny 2009-09-26 18:56

Re: well respected reviewer "eldar" throwing caution to N900
 
Someone asked earlier where or to whom Eldar works for... at least few years ago he was the lead analyst for Mobile Research Group. To my understanding this is also the biggest "connection" for him and the reason why he indeed has these prototypes and apparently pretty amazing number of devices available.

I also can't really understand why some of you had to attack so harshly against him. Some even said that they haven't even heard of him before and frankly, that tells more about the commenter than it does about Eldar. In my books he's still probably the best reviewer when it comes to phones (thanks to his connections and very thorough articles). And there's a reason why he still gets these devices even though his previews and reviews may also harm the companies (or at least the big guys like OPK might think like that).

This is just a guess but I think that Nokia has given the device to Eldar "unofficially" because he is a known player and knows the limits. By limits I mean that he knows how to maintain both the position where he can make scoops and the trust that for an example Nokia (or at least certain parts of Nokia) shows towards him.


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