Re: well respected reviewer "eldar" throwing caution to N900
 

For example, the crimes committed in this case were both copyright infringement as well as cracking. This was however via Internet while we don't know how Eldar obtained the alleged N900 prototype hardware/software.

Obtaining it involved a physical deed not committed over the Internet, and given he 1) leaked confidential information 2) is afraid for Nokia to find his personal details it appears he did not receive his N900 prototype through legal circuits. Therefore, it is reasonable to suspect Eldar of a crime, most likely 'theft' indeed.

You can applaud him for releasing confidential information which you'd have received (albeit later) anyway much like you can applaud the HL2 cracker to spread source code of HL2 but I know in the latter case some people compiled the source and played the game, while it was not stable. This gave HL2 a bad name. One can also argue 'better bad publicity than none at all'; OK, might be true.

Re: well respected reviewer "eldar" throwing caution to N900
 

Next: well-defended eldar throws eager supporters under bus.

Re: well respected reviewer "eldar" throwing caution to N900
 

Funny to read a lot of rubbish about me and my articles. Glad to see that at least some of people could think by yourself and make conclusions.

Trying to clarify some things.

First of all, I'm not using expirience from 3hd parties apps to make conclusions about stability of devices, that's stupid and Nokia/Maemo couldnt be in charge of that codes.

Second thing which you have take to account. No one is provide review nowadays and no one except some Nokia/Maemo stuff, have units like me. Welcome in real world. The same situation with many others products (not only Nokia). And I dont care how jealous people could be, sometimes like here. I hear a lot of cryes in a style:
- he havent anything
- he have not a final things
- his things is not working properly etc

Unfortunately for someone, my connection in this industry much higher than anyone here could have and I working with all companies (vendors/operators) on the market (except a few, frankly speaking).

Next big thing. A very few of you see in review of Maemo5 (how you read it? through Google Translator? haha) the main topic. I'm not discussed unstability in any way, just mention it. I disscused limitation of platform which we faced today (no EQ, no MMS, no many others things). Thats not a good thing for power user which will come from S60 platform. And if they will buy device without knowing possible limitation they will said a lot of rude words against Maemo/Nokia etc. And I call that kind of things a very bad PR. Nowadays a lot of enthusiasts of Maemo trying to push OS to the market. Good, but not a smart move. OS is not ready for mass market, is not ready even for mass market itself.

Guys from Maemo team see that the last stable FW with moderate usage (online services, WiFi, contact lists etc) generate one crash per day (under crash i Mean reboot of device). If you will use some software for checking memory leakage, you will see a lot of interesting details about standard apps. Etc

Next things. When I write first preview (actually it was made in June), I didnt care about fw/stability and other things. Because it was a long way to market and things have to be changed dramatically. But it isnt happens nowadays. Now, device is producing with such software which we have now. With some limitations in quantities, market availability, but in any way. That's production cycle which started. And on several devices I have on the same pattern of usage the same mistakes in software part. The hardware is great and will be on market for 2-3 years. But GSM part is a little bit problematic now (3G networks), software glitches are obvious. Check bug list for Maemo5 or ask how many details it consists. You will be astonished. But I dont believe that anyone from nokia will be discussed this topic open minded and frankly.

In any case, you keen about Maemo5/RX51 - so I am. But the only huge difference between us, that I see potential of platform, not current state of development. And my expirience tell me that this device with such SW wont get a very positive feedback from mass market (for you and other fans of Maemo or previous devices, is pretty ok). But sometimes people prefer to be blind and deaf. Who cares? We will see what will happens in 6-7 weeks. So enjoy before that time you feelings. They will be different from mass market feedback.

Re: well respected reviewer "eldar" throwing caution to N900
 

ROFL... :rolleyes:

Re: well respected reviewer "eldar" throwing caution to N900
 

Well, thanks for at least coming here and talking to us about it even if you aren't happy about what some of us have been saying about you and the article.

Re: well respected reviewer "eldar" throwing caution to N900
 

Texrat
So may be you see products for 2011 from major player on this market? or hekp with development of marketing strategy for some of them. Go on... You are funny

Re: well respected reviewer "eldar" throwing caution to N900
 

Go back and look at the quote I chuckled at, eldar. You got it wrong.

Re: well respected reviewer "eldar" throwing caution to N900
 

zerojay
Actually, it was a pleasure to read a lot of things here. You all made my day :)

I'm pretty happy with such things, I hear them around 5-6 years in the same manner, nothing changed

Re: well respected reviewer "eldar" throwing caution to N900
 

Welcome aboard, Eldar. :)

Re: well respected reviewer "eldar" throwing caution to N900
 

Yeah it is a good thing that you came here to post your views. But the way u gave good review about the n900 initially and later on bashed it saying that there was stability issues while other reviewers also said that it was one of the most stable device made people to think that you were seeking more attention.
Many people here are just complaining that you failed to mention the firmware of your device and how you got your n900. Without that information many of the new users who are interested in maemo will not get the full picture. For us maemo your review is really not a big deal because we know a lot about maemo but it may mis guide new to be maemo users.

Re: well respected reviewer "eldar" throwing caution to N900
 

Unfortunately for someone, my connection in this industry much higher than anyone here could have and I working with all companies (vendors/operators) on the market (except a few, frankly speaking).

So if we were to contact Nokia directly they would know both about you and your device and you would be listed as part of the QA team?

Re: well respected reviewer "eldar" throwing caution to N900
 

So, my intention not to insist on something here or trying to go to polemics etc. I just put some clarification about things which was said before here. And I'm not going to discuss internal Maemo/Nokia things about upcoming products/roadmaps/firmware/ "stolen" phones - a really funny topic, i save this texts for my book/

If you have some question about things which connected to Maemo and other devices/OS, i will be happy to answer. Unfortunatelly, Maemo is not a single OS on market nowadays, more are coming. And some of them are really good and even today arent bad. So may be for some of you such inside will be usefull to prepare apps or features inside Maemo. Who knows?

ragnar
tnx

Re: well respected reviewer "eldar" throwing caution to N900
 

Ok you wont discuss where you got the phone. You STILL havent told us here what firmware you are running. and EVERY other person with an n900 had a NDA with Nokia.

You can understand out skepticism about the validity of your device.

Re: well respected reviewer "eldar" throwing caution to N900
 

It's a good thing Maemo is spreading beyond just devices offered by Nokia. It's my opinion that the winner in the long run (in terms of marketshare controlled) will be whoever has their operating system running on the most devices out there. And so far besides Windows Mobile, there's only really Android out there. We need more competition on that front to get people moving.

What Palm, Blackberry, and Apple will do with their devices will be successful but in the long run they won't be holding the most marketshare.

Re: well respected reviewer "eldar" throwing caution to N900
 

I would personally rather have a 2011 device made in, say, 2010, than one made in 2009.



(although I would much rather have a 2015 device made in 1989)

http://www.gearlog.com/hoverboard.gif

:D

Re: well respected reviewer "eldar" throwing caution to N900
 

Its like I am listening to John Lennon :D:D:D

http://penguinbait.com/thegang.jpg

Or at least Paul :D:D:D

Re: well respected reviewer "eldar" throwing caution to N900
 

Speaking of Android. Not sure if others saw it but the largest "custom" rom maker got sent a cease and desist from Google today. Open - not so much ?

Re: well respected reviewer "eldar" throwing caution to N900
 

Could you tell us your thoughts about Intel and Moblin, in general but also in relation to Maemo.

Re: well respected reviewer "eldar" throwing caution to N900
 

You know what's the problem with what you have done, Eldar?

You are (p)reviewing a device that is not running production software (yet). Production meaning the final release that will end in customer's hands on launch day.

Bugs have to be corrected (no software is bug free, ever) and we, in this board, have the reasonable expectation the device will be launched without show-stopping bugs. If it is not, then shame on Nokia.

So you are complaining about issues that might not be in the final release. Well, duh.

Worst of all, you are not helping around either. Since you have a "suspicious" device, you can't participate on the Q&A process that might get your bugs fixed. But you sure are loud about them.

Finally, Nokia has been very open what they don't support on the N900. And we know it won't be a mass success. Do not judge others criteria when it is obvious yours is not the brightest.

Re: well respected reviewer "eldar" throwing caution to N900
 

sachin007
Ohhh. I dont care about other reviews (no reviews on market nowadays, Nokia is not providing units for reviews btw) Next thing, the best way to check stability of that device check crash logs which Nokia received from the vast majority of N900 with different FW/HW. Check such logs for w37 for instance, you will see answer on you question. If you oculdnt check this list, then address this question to person who can do it.

My review was made for mass market readers. The same will be in future, for instance we will prepare article why Maemo wouldnt be a gaming platfrom in next few years. This artilce will be prepared by developer from practical point of view.

Bratag
Again and again. You dont read what I write. I describe that we working with all vendors/companies. It doesnt mean that I'm a part of Nokia team, contractor etc. First of all, I'm journalist and I dont care how bad Nokia hide own secrets.
For ages I have all devices and will have them. If I want make damage to company I could make it. But i dont. Because my plan is more than simple - working on this market 25-30 years more.

Re: well respected reviewer "eldar" throwing caution to N900
 

Ah I haven't read that yet (I have a huge RSS Feed backlog >.<). What a shame. -_-

Re: well respected reviewer "eldar" throwing caution to N900
 

Eldar thanks for registering and clarifying your thoughts. Many users on this board are passionate about maemo (myself included) and have been using tablets for a long time and have not experienced the stability issues you are describing. We will have to see with final shipping firmware how this all pans out.

On your other point on the mainstream reaction to the N900 I tend to agree with you that the mainstream will not react to it in the way many here are expecting/hoping. The potential for improvement is there and built-in seamless OTA updates will make this process to upgrade easy for EVERY enduser. As you rightly state the hardware is great and the software is being worked on everyday so I have high hopes for the future of the platform.

Re: well respected reviewer "eldar" throwing caution to N900
 

Isn't that part of the issue people are having with you???

Re: well respected reviewer "eldar" throwing caution to N900
 

Actually I read exactly what you wrote. You said that (and I paraphrase) your connection with all the companies was at a higher level than basically everyone else. It must be because apparently Nokia just GAVE you the phone without a need to sign an NDA and without requiring you to contribute to the QA process.

I am afraid all I see is still a black hole review with no details on how you got the phone, nor how you are installing updates etc.

Sorry but until you provide details lending ANY validity to the review I will simply treat it the same way I treat all FUD.

Also I will be interested in why you think a completely openGL compliant device wont be any good for games.

Re: well respected reviewer "eldar" throwing caution to N900
 

As much as we hope that it will become slightly more mainstream I think we know in reality that it won't be mainstream like the iPhone. Part of that is because of Nokia, part of that is because of the n900, and part of that is because of the consumers themselves (insert negative statement about humanity due to the bitterness from my years of study in psychology in social and cognitive fields).

But what we can hope for is a bigger userbase that continues to increase which leads to more applications (both from companies and new developers).

Re: well respected reviewer "eldar" throwing caution to N900
 

It's from the council uniform page ;)

http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=27714&page=6

Although the final costumes were much better.

http://penguinbait.com/superhero.jpg

Re: well respected reviewer "eldar" throwing caution to N900
 

I would be very glad if some people here could stop bashing eldar. The tone of their posts is not appropriate, disrespectful and falls out of the usual constructive discussions here on t.m.o.
As I said, I have appreciated mobile-review for many years. This specific N900 situation is sure a bit unfortunate, but probably part of "the game". OTOH, it won't Nokia cost a thing to listen to Eldar's feedback. They can only win from it. And we Maemo "fans" can only win from the feedback from someone with a bit a broader and enduser-oriented perspective.
And yes, English is not everyones mother language.

Re: well respected reviewer "eldar" throwing caution to N900
 

Eldar,

Dare to give us any information on battery usage with your current firmware? Final release will of course be different, but wanted an indication of progress.

Re: well respected reviewer "eldar" throwing caution to N900
 

I may have missed a lot of what was going on, because frankly this topic is about 80% ********, but I think what happened was that some of your comments on twitter were taken too seriously by people. I found your actual articles very balanced, personally, but people were already biased against you at that point.

Didn't you for example compare the N900 to some Samsung device planned for 2011, and said the future device was superior? Taken at face value, that's a really unfair comparison, but maybe we should keep in mind that it was on twitter. Since you're here now, maybe you could elaborate with a few more characters?

If you have time to answer, I also have a few other questions:

1) How do the future platforms compare against desktop operating systems? Maemo is a real Linux distro, rather than a phone platform. In the future, with faster processors and HDMI out, it could replace laptops.

2) How do the other platforms compare in openness?

3) Does your N900 have vsync issues and stuttering panning of the desktop?

Re: well respected reviewer "eldar" throwing caution to N900
 

You don't think that reviewing a non-final device and talking about how unstable it is could be potentially damaging to the device as well as the company? What if the device is released to customers and is found to be stable?

Are you planning on doing a final review of the N900 with final shipping firmware? If you are, it might be a good idea to emphasize that your current review is of unfinished firmware and may not be the same as what ships.

Re: well respected reviewer "eldar" throwing caution to N900
 

The thing about feedback is that unless you have an up to date device for what Nokia is using (firmware and hardware) your feedback or even bug reports aren't going be as helpful since they..

a) might have already been resolved
b) issues that are specific just to your unit (especially if it's a hardware difference)

But I do agree, people should in general report any issues, bugs. And suggestions.

Re: well respected reviewer "eldar" throwing caution to N900
 

My question would be WHY would they listen to his feedack? Again this comes down to the way the device was obtained etc. Nokia have a QA team they make sign NDA agreements who's feedback they do listen to. You cannot expect a company to go

"Sweet you somehow obtained a device illegally (we can only assume since we didnt give it to you), and you are bashing our yet to be released OS/phone. Please let us listen jump to attention and listen to you"

Re: well respected reviewer "eldar" throwing caution to N900
 

mrojas
Sometimes I do a favour for some companies and send bug reports etc. Not in this particular case of N900.
Next thing - please read what I write before.

My work is different. And I dont care about products, companies much. Due to one reason - I write about all devices/companies. For you may be N900 is a single device, for me one among others. Good to check, but not the ultimate one

N900 are producing now. It means that SW is installed on device now. Not tomorrow, not in October or November. Now. And it wont be updated in a shop. May be it will be updated before going to shelfs. May be. But changes wont be dramatic.

ragnar
Moblin issue is a power consumption, they heavily trying to build small devices but without real success. I see the market for such devices (limited market) by 2011. Not earlier. Depends from hardware.

Bratag
Android is not very strong by now, it is a part of Google strategy. But Samsung wont be a very active 2010-2011 in this field. So it will be SE (most high tier products based on Android X -line - 3 are coming)
Motorola heavily trying to return. And some chineese/taiwaneese companies. Of course HTC. But they all toghether arent strong

Popularity of Android is the question of popularity of next big services from Google which will be shown to public in beginning of 2011 or later


Laughing Man
We discussed this topic in preview of N900 - i called this vertical market - Maemo is the part of such market for Nokia. It will be 3d party devices like MID, later some other devices (may be PND for instance), later even sub-notebooks etc. All kind of devices from different companies.

The same story for others. Apple will have different devices in house. Some others not.

Re: well respected reviewer "eldar" throwing caution to N900
 

Actually, it looks more like coming out of the closet to me...

Re: well respected reviewer "eldar" throwing caution to N900
 

Could you provide a link re the last statement? I've been following this thread and must have missed any linguistic intolerance (cuz that would be sh*tty if there was any).

Re: well respected reviewer "eldar" throwing caution to N900
 

@jandmdickerson, @Laughing Man, @bbin
There is no "jailbraking" in N900 case.
I was just too bored to write anything more than that. :)
BTW I'm 4 years old. :P

Re: well respected reviewer "eldar" throwing caution to N900
 

I laughed hard at qgil's photo..... very nice.

Re: well respected reviewer "eldar" throwing caution to N900
 

Well I didn't really mention android other than to give a small fact about custom ROMs.

Look my final word on this is as follows.

I think a lot of people would be far more likely to be more tolerant and more objective about the review if

a) Eldar told us where/how he got the device.
b) He provided a screenshot showing the current level of firmware on it.

I think if he provided those two things it would put a lot of the commentary here to bed.

Re: well respected reviewer "eldar" throwing caution to N900
 

I'm trying to understand this, I really do.

Did Nokia actually give you a device, without you having to sign a NDA or anything so you could review a unfinished hw/sw (I assume, haven't seen you say you got the final hw+sw anywhere, I might be wrong though)? And without helping out with reporting any bugs you might find while doing this "review"? Yes/No?

Re: well respected reviewer "eldar" throwing caution to N900
 

lol

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