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Re: One likely reason why our cell rates will never improve.

This will be my first time actually buying a phone, I've always just used "free" cellphones that come with a plan. Most of the time my cellphones have lasted years. I''ve only replaced them every 4-5 years and that's because the design has changed so much. For example, my previous cell phone was really thick and blocky.

@mmurfin87, and it's the only way to continue to make money. Sadly you can't just stop and continue to sell that product forever. =P

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Originally Posted by ruskie (Post 333392)

Lol... TV over IP... that's a joke right? Even VoIP is a joke. There will be a singularity at one point where all of this will merge but even then it will be short lived.

IP is not the be-all end-all protocol. Though watching something on the size(and encoded for let's say doubl that size) of a phone screen would certainly look great compared to watching it on a huge screen(and encoded for the huge screen).

I'll keep my copper for TV thank you very much :)

Youtube works, right? :) it really depends per country (and even region). In NL you can get low-quality TV over IP for free (PDTV). This goes with about 800 kB/sec. With a subscription you can get also TV over IP which is higher quality and includes the commercial broadcasters. While with VoIP latency matters because you have direct interaction this is not the case with TV over IP. So the fact there is latency and some buffering does not matter much. Yes, if you sit in your living room and want to see a different channel you expect instant reply. Well, if you have ADSL2 with TV over IP the modem will have some traffic shaping to prioritize just like it does with SIP. An alternative could be DVB, but there you have some lag due to latency and buffering as well. Basically, as long as you have enough data limit or FUP to work with it works. Although it'll also eat your battery power for breakfast. Actually, Apple refused to carry the application which allows one to see PDTV using a iPhone on T-Mobile NL 3G network whereas that application is available on all other platforms. Outcry. T-Mobile NL then spoke with Apple to allow the application, stating their network has the capacity to deal with the data. Apple listened. Heck my provider Vodafone NL actually suggests this software when I go to their mobile homepage. With LTE TV over IP will be even more fun because LTE supports multicasting. Except if everyone wants to see different Youtube videos on different times; then multicasting isn't going to help.

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Originally Posted by Lord Raiden (Post 333383)

This is sort of a personal observation, but I was talking with a local cell phone sales company and commented on the fact that I tend to keep a phone for 5 years or more. She said I was the exception, since most people apparently change phones every 14 months. Anyone know if this is true? And if it is, won't that negatively affect any positive changes that we've been pushing for in the cellular industry, or would something like that actually improve it?

I think here most people get a voice/data contract for 1 or 2 years together with a phone. When that contract is over they do the same.

However it has to be noted a 'phone' is much more than a 'phone'. It is also an address book, agenda, camera, IM client, and heck so much more these days. It is a heavily used device, and a very personal device.

The mobile industry is also in a fast pace of development. And there is often no soft- or hardware backwards compatibility, or new trends such as GPS, touchscreen, accelerometer, digital compass, good camera, HSPA, better raw performance require a hardware upgrade.

I have to say I find the battery degradation argument also reasonable.

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Originally Posted by mmurfin87 (Post 333386)

Just my luck that most of the world is ******ed.

ROFL!!

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Originally Posted by TA-t3 (Post 333494)

The only reason I have ever changed a cellphone (since I bought my first one in 1997 or so) is because the battery failed.

The only reason I ever change is because the darn PHONE ITSELF died. I've owned my last two cell phones for the better part of 5 years each, and am only now upgrading again because the current one is literally falling apart. lol.

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i guess i've been lucky so far; i've never owned a cellphone. my landline and my n810 with wifi where i can find it are usually more connectivity than i really need.

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Originally Posted by wesgreen (Post 334012)

i guess i've been lucky so far; i've never owned a cellphone. my landline and my n810 with wifi where i can find it are usually more connectivity than i really need.

I guess one reason is that in NYC there is ample free wifi and hence you can use wifi for your calls.
But sadly the rest of the US is not THAT connected. And the MuniWifi dream ... is just that now.
So for us in the not so wifi connected parts - we need a cell to make calls - and even connect our NIT to communicate.

Re: One likely reason why our cell rates will never improve.

Municipal Wifi is dead because every cellular and bandwidth provider in the US doesn't want it to exist at all for any reason period. They see it as competition, even though they stand to make huge amounts of cash from the connection fees. They're going to make mad money anyways regardless who provides the connection. The only difference is, Municipal Wifi will expose the lies and dishonesty of the big providers, and they don't want that. :p

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Originally Posted by Lord Raiden (Post 334075)

yes indeed. verizon (or whatever they're calling themselves this moment) has spent tons of money to prevent it from happening in NYC.

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Originally Posted by wesgreen (Post 334012)

i guess i've been lucky so far; i've never owned a cellphone. my landline and my n810 with wifi where i can find it are usually more connectivity than i really need.

You think that is air you're breathing :confused:

Re: One likely reason why our cell rates will never improve.

The n900 will also be the first phone i actually pay for (and a lot!) and will be my 4th phone...

I'm right now using a Nokia 6020 that is 4-5 years old and still work quite well :)

I wonder if Apple will get slapped (hopefully hard) in the face if the net neutrality rules proposed by the FCC become laws. What they are doing is selecting what traffic can go where in a very fascist way!

Data is data, leave us alone! :-)