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I understand what you are saying. But I would totally disagree with your statement about gnashing of teeth by other developers. I'm normally the last person to step forward and say I feel wronged. Most of my Developer co-workers are the same way. Maybe I work with a weird group of people; but my "experience" over the last 20 years has been most developers are not interested in creating waves over themselves. Some may contact Quim//CC since you have proposed that. But I know if it was my shoes I wouldn't, that just seems petty to me -- Me complaining about me not getting a device... Yeah, right, wouldn't happen in a million years. It would be _much_ better if Quim/CC approached those devs they saw fell in the cracks. (See above post for potential solution)

For those who might have saw it a FUD. It wasn't meant to be -- it was meant to address a issue I saw. I'm sorry Andrew if you disagree with my complaints and my potential solutions but we all have I hope equal rights here to spout our own nonsense. ;-D

Nathan

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Applications hosted in non-standard repositories should result in substantial negative Karma... :)

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Sorry, we (I speak as a collective we) have started to integrate stuff between separate sites. Talk.maemo.org used to be a third party site called InternetTableTalk.com (ITT) and was recently integrated with the Maemo.org domains. One of the things on the list of todo items is to get single signon. But right now most the sites have separate logins and accounts. If all you have is a Talk account; then going to "www.maemo.org" and trying to login won't work. If you create your own "www.maemo.org" account you can link it to your "talk" account. Then the next time Karma stats are generated it will have your stats. For instance. On Talk I'm known as "nathan" but on the main domain my account is "nathanael". Eventually we will get single-sign on and one account. ;-)

Nathan

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What is the difference between "www.maemo.org" and "garage.maemo.org"? Will my garage.maemo.org account allow me to log in to "the main site"? (It doesn't seem to...) :confused:

I tried to create a "www.maemo.org" account and I ended up with a garage.maemo.org account. But that account will not allow me to log in to the page from which I originally clicked the "register" button. :confused::confused::confused:

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Something I'd like to point out to the people who are upset that "mere forum posters" are getting invites, while some developers are not. I sort of hinted at this in my other message, but posting a lot to the forums indicates a high level of community participation and enthusiasm... which is one way to indicate "evangelists". (not perfect, but workable)

Without diminishing the value of developers (because a healthy app eco-system is vital to the success of any platform), you can't diminish the value of evangelists, either. Evangelists are the ones who get the word out, who get people who weren't already considering or thinking about the platform to start thinking about it and considering it.

I think that's valuable. And I think that those people (whether I'm considered one, or not) deserve some of the candy too.

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Citing that page:
* In Germany, this offer does not apply to the Nokia N900,

I wonder what the reason for that is ...

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OK, question: I had a lot of fun from creating Open Source projects in the past (like Gammu) and I'm interested in N900 (yes, it can be better than Android). I was not in the Summit (time, money and a lot of other things). I'm registed on "talk" only. SDK doesn't allow for creating Bluetooth connecting application (at least I haven't found method). I haven't have access to prototype (no friends journalists). I don't live in Finland and I can't apply my CV for Maemo team (I'm not ready for moving to Finland in this moment too).

Where can I get N900 ?

I don't need manual, charger, USB cable, memory card, nice box. What can be price for device only ?

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Seeing how this thread has turned out to be yet another "Nokia: You suck" thread, how you're all getting ****ed over by the Karma system (boohoo) and my two legit questions have gone unanswered, off I go to register my fake company details with Nokia.

And if the offer does expire, well, it's not like I don't have a device for a year (thank you Nokia for your generosity then, as well) so it certainly won't be my time that is wasted.

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lucky you!!!

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/me leaves talk because of threads like this :(

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I would also want to say *BIG THANKS* for Nokia.

Yes, even I got invitation for N900 discount. Not decided yet will I apply for it or not (need to check cash state).

Why "even I"? Some of Maemo people know my opinions about it. And it does not stopped me from buying N810 for full price. I also have 770 (got it for free from Nokia guy with words like "sorry, we are out of N800" :) I sort of ignored all previous developer programs (or maybe sent mail when the 770 one was done).

I played a bit (very bit) with N900 during ELC-E conference. A bit too heavy for me but keyboard is even usable (I though that it will be worse) and system feels more advanced then Diablo (finally more proper Contacts application).

Will I use it as a each-day-phone instead of my Nokia E66 (Symbian)? No idea yet. I know that I will have some bugs to check on it (bugs and blog posts about Maemo (or Nokia) gave me most of karma). From what I saw there is a Polish translation of Maemo5 so some bugs will be harder to check.

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Before leaving I point people to http://www.linuxuk.org/2009/10/maemo-summit-2009/

This is from me, a long time contributer to maemo, a 770, n800, n810 and now n900 user. No the n900 is not for me but .. well read the above.

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If the offer is valid before Oct 21st and they explicitly state that it's not valid for N900 in Germany (go figure!), would that mean the device will ship next week ? :)

Just spreading some rumors....

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I posted my steps here in case anyone wants to know.

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Packaging web2py for Maemo ? I would never have thought of that, but it's a great idea !
The real added value, if I could pull it off, would be a visual start/stop dialog (or control panel applet).

I'm more sceptical about packaging the webapps themselves though, as they're really web2py apps, and its built-in deployment scheme is so much easier...

I'm not into blogging for the sake of it either -- so far I'd managed to not even *start* one and abandon it :-)
However the notion of a maemo-specific one is different ; I could use it as a soapbox for my pet peeves, turning my Berlin presentation into a miniseries, and maybe going on to PyQt, which I'm looking forward to try out on Maemo5. I just need to find the energy :-)

Thanks for the advice Jaffa !

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qwerty12: I answered your question about what you do if you don't have a company name: Make one up! I think that qwerty12 is a perfectly good company name, why don't you start it up this second? Who is going to be able to show that it's not legitimate? It IS legitimate. No one said the company had to be registered with the state or national government or anything like that.

A lot of the squabbling on this thread is on common-sense matters. It seems obvious to me that it is being said that this process is not over, so any people who are seemingly left out by this process unfairly can discuss this with their community representatives, with Nokia representatives, or they can just try prayer :).

And the people complaining that they can't get registered: it can be difficult. I eventually got registered. Just have patience and some faith in the process. As Bob Dylan would say, "now ain't the time for your tears."

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The jealousy some experience during such a surprising event as this one is unhealthy. Look at it from this angle: it is a surprise, an event of serendipity. Just like N900 prototypes from Maemo Summit were a surprise in this case whether you're eligible is also a surprise. I'm sure many of us were and are saving up for full price of N900, and meanwhile feel good for those who did get the N900 prototype on loan or get a discount. If I understand correct its now 300 EUR instead of 500 EUR; hence a 40% discount, that is 25% more than the Twitter discount referenced to in this thread. Lets feel happy for those who are eligible to any program in past, present, and future. The flaws of karma system existed before today, and different thread is for fixing that. For solutions for individual cases we also have proposals in different thread, and the donation solution doesn't need public attention it can be resolved via PMs.

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Would anyone have a problem with using "maemo.org" for the company name field?

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Why don't you just write your own name to company name. It's that simple.

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Sorry if I'm missing legitimate questions in the middle of the many posts about something else.

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Posting in t.m.o isn't ignored, the "Thanks" button ensures that worthwhile posts go towards your Karma - without the "Thanks" button it would be impossible to tell fluff from useful/helpful information which is why the number of posts a member may have doesn't mean very much in terms of Karma, however the number of Thanked posts they have is significant.

I'm all for evangelists, but do we really need "evangelists" here? Will they add much more than an ordinary, informed and helpful Maemo member? What would be really great would be to earn points for evangelising on behalf of the Maemo community on other forums - not t.m.o! But that, unfortunately, would be difficult - but not impossible - to setup.

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That wiki-page looks empty?

Any other place for linking talk.maemo.org and maemo.org profile?

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I used it for the URL anyway.

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Many evangelists participate here... and elsewhere. ;)

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I think it was a lame attempt at smart-arse humor ;)

Fell flat.

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Yes, but no Karma for elsewhere, which is where it may do the most good. We're pretty much preaching to the choir here (well, me on a good day! ;))

:)

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Heh.. that figures :)

Well I managed to locate instructions form another thread titled
"Karma points linked to ITT Thanks/Posts?? ":

http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...g+user+profile

It seems that you need to add the url to your talk.maemo.org user profile to a ("alter ego") field on your maemo.org user profile (on "edit account" form).

(If I understood the instructions correctly and they are still valid).

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Well hunted, myrjola :) I think I've linked them now.

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but, being vocal here might be a predictor of those people being vocal in other environments as well. surely not a perfect predictor, but perhaps a useful one.

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Sorry to interupt...

Thanks Nokia, Forum Nokia, Quim, The Community Council, members of the Academy, and anyone else who may have contributed to this incredibly generous gesture. :)

Other than reporting 1 bug and commenting on applications that I use on my device, my karma has come mostly from my involvement in this forum...
I don't believe I post excessively and I have tried to give back to new members what older members gave to me. My post rate @ a little less than 2 a day is a small investment of time on my part to help keep the fire going. This fire has kept my interest “warm” and because of the exceptional quality of the people who have gathered around the fire with me, keeping the fire going was its own reward.

Being offered a 40% discount on the N900 just for hanging out with you lot is a tremendous bonus! http://www.clicksmilies.com/auswahl/ernaehrung004.gif

Thanks again, powers that be. :cool:

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Ahhh... I get your point now old friend. Hmmm... it would be difficult to quantify extracurricular activity...

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Aha! Busted!

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A sweet surprise! :D

Borrow from YoDude,

"
Thanks Nokia, Forum Nokia, Quim, The Community Council, members of the Academy, and anyone else who may have contributed to this incredibly generous gesture.

"


bun

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Tmo usa will have it in january

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Re: evangelists elsewhere. Blog posts aggregated in http://maemo.org/news get karma not only from thumbs up but also from Delicious (and I think Technorati) karma as well.

But please start a new thread about karma calculations or find one of the ones opened already. Keep this thread clean to help those that got an email yesterday. Thank you!

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As you found, apologies in my earlier link - for some reason I have both links in my Firefox history. The correct link is:

http://wiki.maemo.org/Link_talk.maem...mo.org_profile

I'll edit my earlier post as well.

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About the Company related registration fields. Forum Nokia deals with professional developers only in device programs. They have made an exception here and now with the Maemo community, accepting individuals as well. For one exercise is not worth to redesign their registration form.

Please go through it in the way you prefer. It's not a big deal. Thanks!

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Yup - it's intimidating at first look, but easy when you know you're not playing by the normal rules...thanks for that :-)

One thing not mentioned in your mail : what is supposed to happen after sending the mail in Step 3 ?...

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After sending your email, Forum Nokia checks that the registration belongs to a maemo.org contributor in the list. If everythng is correct then you will be able to proceed with the purchase. I guess the first approvals will arrive on Monday, but if not please give them time. I have no idea about their current availability of devices and whether they can satisfy the demand before sales start. Thank you for your patience.

About developers that for whatever reason are not planning to take this invitation. The invitation is nominal and made to you. Please act with common sense and don't convert (even if involuntary) a developer program into a discount bazaar. As said, it's the first time we do this and if the final impression is that discounted devices were forwarded and traded for whatever then the impact on potential future programs will be clearly negative.

I have got some requests to pass an invitation to someonelse. Sorry but, as said, the invitations have been made to certain people and we don't even have the time to go after particular cases (more than we already do). Thank you again for your understanding.

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FYI, my MO login is working today. That didn't take too long.
http://maemo.org/profile/view/mountainx/

It reports that I have 0 karma. But I just linked my TMO account. So maybe by tomorrow I will know my karma.