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Khertan 2010-05-04 05:15

Re: Why So Many Free Apps For The N900?
 
For my part i ve created a small shareware game, VectorMine

So as it s a shareware i should be able to put my game into extras and user that want to register and got their serial code can do it on my website.

But as the QA Testing is mess, the web package interface is full of bugs, i was never been able to push my game to extras ...

So i've stop some paid app project i ve for this plateform, now i just bug fix my old open source softwares.

chase15 2010-05-04 05:25

Re: Why So Many Free Apps For The N900?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ndi (Post 641588)
Oh boy. Is it as slow as I imagine? Is it usable (as in functionality)? Is it hard to install, or simply go EasyDebian and the apt-get (sorry, Windows admin here)?

im using it when im doing a new word document. its also good when you are editing files.. yes its kinda slow, but with my phone overclocked at 900mhz, its better and it loads faster...

andraeseus1 2010-05-04 05:36

Re: Why So Many Free Apps For The N900?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by woody14619 (Post 641803)
Sorry, but that's bullocks. :) DRM does not secure things, just ask any company that's used it in the past 20 years. People crack it just as quickly as it comes out, and in the end it's the consumer that loses when the company goes out of business or stops supporting it's DRM. (Just ask all the abandoned media player folks who have DRM music on media players that have no server to confirm with now... there are several.)

The real problem is you have to have something nice that people are willing to pay for, and because OVI can't seem to get it right, you have to do things yourself. After the Angry Birds mess it's no suprise that vendors are shying away from it. In fact, there's a pretty good revenue idea for someone interested in doing it: Setup a better store.

Want to see an example? Head to JoikuSpot.com. They sell an app for the N900 to do wifi-tethering. They setup their own repository, which installs a deb package with an executable bundled to your ID. (It dynamically packages it based on the link name from what I can tell.) Then they e-mail you an application key, which you enter into the app the first time you fire it up. That key activates (now knowing more about your system, like the IMEI) and you can update all you like from that device for that product. But you can't just copy it to friends simply as a deb and expect it to work.

Sure, if someone really wanted to, they could probably figure out how it works and copy it to their friend. But at €7, it's just not worth it to go through that hassle. (Where the $3 vs copying a deb file may be...)

The key to selling anything in a software market is to make it just a little more annoying to copy than it's worth price wise. Opensource has the added disadvantage :confused: that several things are already available because it's easier to port than to re-code. Why buy Worms when you can get the linux version for free?

l think thats what sygic did. i mean suree u can download it free bur if ur not really tech savy it can be a pain n the butt. the prob with this ( @lwast for sygic) is th5 even the paid for app is a pain n the butt to install

volt 2010-05-04 12:48

Re: Why So Many Free Apps For The N900?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ndi (Post 641588)
Oh boy. Is it as slow as I imagine? Is it usable (as in functionality)? Is it hard to install, or simply go EasyDebian and the apt-get (sorry, Windows admin here)?

I see you already got a few answers, but as I read your question, there's something left unanswered.

Once you have EasyDebian installed, you do not need to apt-get, because OpenOffice is preinstalled with EasyDebian.

Also, to be a bit more accurate when it comes to installing EasyDebian; you download an installer from the repository, not EasyDebian itself. When you run it, the installer asks you where to save the huge, huge EasyDebian file, then it downloads it. Which takes quite a bit of time. As in, hours.

Once it's downloaded, the installer waits for user feedback, then it unpacks it. While it unpacks it, your cell phone is quite unresponsive. This also takes quite a while.

After that, it's done installing, and you get a few new icons around in the menus. Including one for OpenOffice and one for the disgrase of a program that is known as Gimp, reigning world champion in redundant "file" menus.

You should reboot, to get your phone back to responsiveness.

At least this is how I remember it.

Venemo 2010-05-04 13:19

Re: Why So Many Free Apps For The N900?
 
Hey Nokiaman!

Good to see someone with your attitude here!
I'd like to answer you, but it's a little long, I hope you don't mind.

Quote:

Originally Posted by nokiaman (Post 638762)
I know there is not HUGE amount of apps available but I have yet to pay for any of the ones I have downloaded and used!

Quote:

Originally Posted by nokiaman (Post 638762)
Like I said, devs NEED to get paid for this!

Quote:

Originally Posted by nokiaman (Post 638762)
I feel that if Devs charge for their work they may be motivated to make more. The apps I have tried and used are really cool and work nice.

Actually, this is a heritage from the Linux community. Most of the applications for Linux are FREE, in the truest sense of the word, as in freedom, and stuff.

And, most of the developers do it just for fun.

But I'm sure you can donate money to them if you like to. Noone will say no if you send them some money. :)

Quote:

Originally Posted by nokiaman (Post 638762)
The recent one I been using is MyTube, this works great, little buggy but I'm sure it will get better.

Well then, contact the author of MyTube, and tell him that you found some bugs, tell him how to reproduce the bugs, that's a lot of help for a developer.

Quote:

Originally Posted by nokiaman (Post 638762)
I would not mind paying for such apps, I paid for the apps with WM and Android and many more, why not with the N900?

There are some apps that require you to pay for them (such as Docs to Go, or Sygic), but most of them are free.

Quote:

Originally Posted by nokiaman (Post 638762)
So what if it's open thing, I want devs to get paid and make much much more apps.

That's a good thing to hear.
Most people just want everything for free nowadays.

Quote:

Originally Posted by nokiaman (Post 638762)
Also, some more games! Action SIMPLE shootem games, nothing complicate. Racing games, and so forth.

Here are some that I play frequently:
- Angry Birds (it is a must have)
- Bounce (it's too short, unfortunately, but you can use it to show off - people will instantly get jealous to your N900 when they see it!)
- Tux Race (now this is HUGE!)
- And finally, if you knew and liked the old Transport Tycoon game, you'll love OpenTTD. (my personal favourite time-consumer game)

Smaller ones:
- If you liked the WM "Bubble Breaker" game, then Blubbels
- Cube (it's a Rubik's cube)
- Impuzzle (play a puzzle game with one of your own images)
- EightyOne (sudoku - my other favourite time-consumer)
- Nako (memory game)
- Labirynth Lite (too short, too)

Quote:

- SPB Wallet. Love this app.
What does it do? Perhaps someone could point you to a right alternative.

Quote:

- An app or hack that will allow me to double click a certain keyboard button so I can open the multiTask screen. I dont like using TWO buttons for this. Or did I miss something BESIDES the top left corner screen?
If there are some apps already open, you can use the top-left corner with a single click to open the dashboard. (Or use Ctrl+Backspace.)
If there are no apps open in the background, it presents you the app menu button there.
Quite logical. But what is it you don't like about it?

epage 2010-05-04 13:39

Re: Why So Many Free Apps For The N900?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by nokiaman (Post 638762)
I feel that if Devs charge for their work they may be motivated to make more. The apps I have tried and used are really cool and work nice.

I actually put enough time into writing my (free) apps that I couldn't make more even if I was paid ;) (I guess there is the whole giving up the day job thing which I[m not interested in)

To get an idea, check my signature. Only one of those was a port of a regular Linux app but it involved an almost complete re-write. I also have two more in the works and 2 more planned.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Laughing Man (Post 638800)
There's also the fact that some developers may do it just for their own enjoyment. Or to fill a niche that they felt the N900 lacked.

Good words. I do mine both for niches and for fun.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Laughing Man (Post 638800)
a) donate time helping the developer test bugs, or test releases
b) help the developer out in threads (if you understand the software enough) to help answer questions and what not
c) donate code (of course not everyone is a programmer)
d) donate money (if they accept donations). Some developers don't make it obvious though (don't be afraid to send a PM).

I can't stress enough that people helping on threads is a big help as it lets me focus on development. A step above that would be turning posts into bug reports.
  • I found tracking everyone's feature requests on the forum took too much time away from development so I gave up and only work off of bugzilla (but still do user support through the forum).
  • I also don't want to take the time to file bugs for everything
  • Some people just don't want to file bugs for various reasons (not wanting to create Yet Another Account is one)

rash.m2k 2010-05-04 14:00

Re: Why So Many Free Apps For The N900?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ndi (Post 641588)
Oh boy. Is it as slow as I imagine? Is it usable (as in functionality)? Is it hard to install, or simply go EasyDebian and the apt-get (sorry, Windows admin here)?

Well I mean it sure as hell takes its time to load up and get started but then consider that it's a FULL word document editor - you can easily export documents to PDF.

N900 is windows 98ish hardware, which was running office 97 that puts it into perspective. I wouldn't advise using this as a full office editing suite, but if you absolutley must edit some file it's damn well good to atleast have the option!

jamie721 2010-05-04 14:04

Is there a reson for the lacking of apps in ovi?
 
This is purly my speculation and thoughts about why their are hardley any apps on the ovi store for the n900.

I have a feeling the reason that there are very few apps on the ovi store for n900 is the the un-usual orientation for phones in the uk and possibly the size of the screen.

These factors would make porting apps that will be used accross multiple phone platforms a pain in the back side.

Any thoughts on this anyone? did nokia shoot them selves in the foot on this one?

nosa101 2010-05-04 14:14

Re: Is there a reson for the lacking of apps in ovi?
 
Lack of proper payment system discourages commercial developers from what I understand

blipnl 2010-05-04 14:14

Re: Is there a reson for the lacking of apps in ovi?
 
I am not sure buy my guessing is that since maemo 5 the maemo developing team has been busy making the platform stable and fixing the bugs. This is because maemo 5 is pretty new and pretty suffisticated. Maybe because of this, it is harder to make maemo optified/bug free. Also, this 'team' has possibly already been merged with meego and therefore have less time for maemo. And, the meego team was probably significantly smaller than the symbian team due to the amount of devices the symbian OS covers. Finally, and I hope the last is not true, they consider this community to be somewhat self-supporting and therefore lack in the service.

I hope all are not true, just guessing from a kinda neutral point of view

Laughing Man 2010-05-04 14:21

Re: Is there a reson for the lacking of apps in ovi?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by nosa101 (Post 642423)
Lack of proper payment system discourages commercial developers from what I understand

That's one reason. But the main reason is small userbase. Why waste time trying to develope and sell a product to a small userbase, who may not even buy your product in the first place?

That's why Meego, Symbian 3, and QT 4.6 compatibility is important, it provides the userbase.

bbin 2010-05-04 14:22

Re: Is there a reson for the lacking of apps in ovi?
 
Mainly because of the lack of qt 4.6 on PR 1.1.1.

I´m sure that after we get official PR 1.2 (my guess=tomorrow) we are getting more apps to the ovi store.

Heman1310 2010-05-04 14:27

Re: Is there a reson for the lacking of apps in ovi?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bbin (Post 642438)
Mainly because of the lack of qt 4.6 on PR 1.1.1.

I´m sure that after we get official PR 1.2 (my guess=tomorrow) we are getting more apps to the ovi store.

Yeah I have a feeling too that the PR1.2 will be released tomorrow.

slender 2010-05-04 14:28

Re: Why So Many Free Apps For The N900?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Khertan (Post 641829)
But as the QA Testing is mess, the web package interface is full of bugs, i was never been able to push my game to extras ...

It´s still a mess?
- Have people reported about bugs in maemo.org Q&A / repositories
- If it´s reported then how long it has been broken?
-- Is it confirmed? Links to bug?
- Who is responsible in fixing that part of maemo.org?
- Why there is stuff in extras at all? Or is it that some people tolerate broken/fck up systems better than other people :|

After i have joined here it feels like whole place is just standing still. Luckily after 5 months the stylesheet of this webpage was fixed :D (clicking threads with too many pages was impossible, wonder how maintainers used this webpage with their N900s)

jamie721 2010-05-04 14:30

Re: Is there a reson for the lacking of apps in ovi?
 
I know its a bit off topic but its my topic. Why do you think tomrrow or was it a joke i just dont get?

zfarooq 2010-05-04 14:30

Re: Is there a reson for the lacking of apps in ovi?
 
I believe that given QT is coming out, which is compatible with Symbian, Maemo/Meego and Windows mobile, once you code an app it will work across all.

So once qt is released on N900, we will see a huge number of apps (relatively speaking) from Rovio, Shazam (as shown in the video), accuweather (again on qt video) etc.

This is in the immediate future, in the long term as apps are rewritten for Symbian 3 in qt or meego/maemo we will benefit also.

Not having apps now...just because we are still early adopters..the phones still being launched in some markets (e.g. India) so it should have a bright future in terms of apps at least

Heman1310 2010-05-04 14:33

Re: Is there a reson for the lacking of apps in ovi?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jamie721 (Post 642462)
I know its a bit off topic but its my topic. Why do you think tomrrow or was it a joke i just dont get?

N900 HK version will be launched tomorrow, thats why I have that feeling. :)

volt 2010-05-04 14:33

Re: Is there a reson for the lacking of apps in ovi?
 
This is a fairly standard resolution, so that is not it. I'd rather explain it like this:

"You Are An Early Adopter".

Laughing Man 2010-05-04 14:36

Re: Is there a reson for the lacking of apps in ovi?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by zfarooq (Post 642463)
I believe that given QT is coming out, which is compatible with Symbian, Maemo/Meego and Windows mobile, once you code an app it will work across all.

So once qt is released on N900, we will see a huge number of apps (relatively speaking) from Rovio, Shazam (as shown in the video), accuweather (again on qt video) etc.

This is in the immediate future, in the long term as apps are rewritten for Symbian 3 in qt or meego/maemo we will benefit also.

Not having apps now...just because we are still early adopters..the phones still being launched in some markets (e.g. India) so it should have a bright future in terms of apps at least

I wouldn't expect a huge flood with PR 1.2. Remember Meego isn't out yet, Symbian 3 is just coming out and a beta version of the QT sdk just came out recently.

Heman1310 2010-05-04 14:37

Re: Is there a reson for the lacking of apps in ovi?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by volt (Post 642471)
"You Are An Early Adopter".

LOL! That was funny... iPad in the top :D

zfarooq 2010-05-04 14:44

Re: Is there a reson for the lacking of apps in ovi?
 
Laughingman, yeah that's what I meant to say...apps are more on the future than now. But I suspect nokia will release pr 1.2 with a FEW well known apps since they're already being coded. I hope they release shAzam as shown

jamie721 2010-05-04 14:44

Re: Is there a reson for the lacking of apps in ovi?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Heman1310 (Post 642470)
N900 HK version will be launched tomorrow, that why I have that feeling. :)

i thought it had already been released. but yeh it would make sense or maybe hold onto till the normal update date which is a friday isnt it?

ysss 2010-05-04 14:48

Re: Is there a reson for the lacking of apps in ovi?
 
Heh, I'm a fairly early iPad adopter and I think it was well worth th price of admission. Their unified development environment (heck, it's basically an oversized iphone/touch anyway) lends itself very well to iPad's quick start.

There are already 5000 'native' iPad apps (optimized for its screen size and new UI elements) and it can also run the 190,000+ iPhone apps (pixel doubled).

I wonder when QT4.6 will gain traction and 'explode' through Ovi store.

Spotfist 2010-05-04 14:49

Re: Is there a reson for the lacking of apps in ovi?
 
hehehe I love the way most threads on this site devolve into a pr1.2 discussion and then Chuck Norris, Just as I have done ;)

Seriously though, I wonder if flash 10 will make things better? I seriously think that if everyone were to support something like Flash, as in the ability to use alot of the phones functions then you could see an awesome rise in apps. If you could develope for one phone but it could be used on almost all then your onto a winner!

sjgadsby 2010-05-04 14:57

Re: [Maemo 5] We need more apps! Why aren't there more applications in Ovi and Extras?
 
The following threads have been merged into this thread:
  • "Why are there only 12 applications?" with nineteen posts
  • "Come on bring more apps... its like 0.5 new apps per day now :)" with twenty-one posts
  • "[Maemo 5] When will useless apps be produced for the n900?" with thirty-two posts
  • "No new apps in Ovi store?" with seven posts
  • "Ovi Store: why so few applications?" with nine posts
  • "new apps for the n900 NEEDED" with four posts
  • "n900 apps not very good" with eight posts
  • "More Apps for the N900 please!" with thirty posts
  • "[Maemo 5] Where are the real applications? Has Nokia forgotten?" with fifty-five posts
  • "Applications for n900" with four posts
  • "Why So Many Free Apps For The N900?" with thirty posts
  • "Where Are Our Apps?" with twenty-nine posts
  • "Is there a reson for the lacking of apps in ovi?" with twelve posts

rm42 2010-05-04 21:27

Re: [Maemo 5] We need more apps! Why aren't there more applications in Ovi and Extras?
 
Guys, I am only on page 21 of this thread, but I have to go now. I just wonder if any one that has tried the PR1.2 RC noticed any difference in performance when using the MAFW Equalizer. Are any of you using that?

Edit: Oops, how did I end up in this thread? :confused:

dack001 2010-05-11 12:50

Re: [Maemo 5] We need more apps! Why aren't there more applications in Ovi and Extras?
 
Quote:

I hope they release shAzam as shown
I hope not.
Spyware on my N900?
Better be joking.

nyarlathotep 2010-05-11 15:44

Re: [Maemo 5] We need more apps! Why aren't there more applications in Ovi and Extras?
 
I'm fairly sure the answer the original question is : Nokia keeps messing people up because the product is fairly raw. I'm sure the MeeGo announcement has made people especially reluctant until they've got a concrete target platform.

slender 2010-05-11 15:49

Re: [Maemo 5] We need more apps! Why aren't there more applications in Ovi and Extras?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dack001 (Post 653348)
I hope not.
Spyware on my N900?
Better be joking.

"You must obey me and install this app or else my sharks with freaking laser beams attached to their heads will kill you!"

fms 2010-05-11 15:50

Re: [Maemo 5] We need more apps! Why aren't there more applications in Ovi and Extras?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by nyarlathotep (Post 653675)
I'm fairly sure the answer the original question is : Nokia keeps messing people up because the product is fairly raw.

I am not buying this explanation. It is not diabolical enough. Surely, Nokia keeps messing people up for a much better reason. Maybe they are a secret branch of a certain Cupertino company, running a large-scale global promotion campaign for that company's product. Or maybe they just want you mad, all of you, mad, absolutely raving mad... Well you get the picture.

bjknight 2010-05-11 16:00

Re: [Maemo 5] We need more apps! Why aren't there more applications in Ovi and Extras?
 
That youtube video looks promising...

dack001 2010-05-11 23:29

Re: [Maemo 5] We need more apps! Why aren't there more applications in Ovi and Extras?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by slender (Post 653687)
"You must obey me and install this app or else my sharks with freaking laser beams attached to their heads will kill you!"

The quoting of "as shown" wasn't for laughs and leisure. :rolleyes:

Rocketman 2010-05-12 00:16

Re: [Maemo 5] We need more apps! Why aren't there more applications in Ovi and Extras?
 
Here are some reasons why there is little commercial development for the N900 and we are largely just getting apps from the "Linux Arts & Crafts Movement"

-Nokia hasn't published any numbers as to how many n900's have been sold, so developers have no idea how big a pool of potential purchasers there are. If you are coding for your dinner, this is important. Apple & Android offer a huge number of potential purchasers in comparison. Hell, Palm probably offers a huge number of potential purchasers by comparison.

-The Ovi store experience is extremely rough when compared with the app store experiences for Iphone & Android platforms.

-The perception is that Nokia largely abandoned the Maemo 5 platform almost as soon as it launched it. Why bother coding for a relatively small, abandoned user-base who will probably have moved on to something else by the time you are ready for release. Remember, coding substantive applications for commercial sale takes investment in time & money and is often about hitting a moving target at just the right time in the product release cycle.

-Nokia's corporate structure and executive leadership is in flux & Nokia has neither exhibited or made huge commitments to Maemo/Meego in the past. Even if they publicly threw their entire weight behind Maemo/Meego now, who knows what the next batch of execs will decide. None of this is attractive to a developer.

Some of this may change once PR 1.2 is out and developers get a hypothetical bridge to Meego with the next QT.

DrInequality 2010-05-13 00:11

Re: [Maemo 5] We need more apps! Why aren't there more applications in Ovi Store and Extras?
 
Speaking as a potential (and put-off) app developer, I'd
have to say most strongly that Nokia has hamstrung any
app development.

The change from Maemo to MeeGo is a major problem,
though I can understand that big moves like that can't
always be controlled and, for Nokia in the long run, it's
a good thing.

The app store launch was ridiculously badly handled.
Both the store interface being broken and the content.
Why, oh why, didn't Nokia get a few devs onboard
before the store went live to pre-populate the store
with ~10 apps at launch. Oh and 50 euros to
register and same old 30% rake. Come on! Nokia
is a big handset player but is a small app store player
and is now going backwards.

Someone at Nokia needs to come out with an official
announcement that unambiguously addresses Nokia's
app support.

e.g. competition for best apps, waiver of reg fee,
lowering of 30% margin, clear statement of support
for Maemo -> MeeGo migration.

To date, Nokia's support of the app store concept has been
horribly flawed, secretive and ambiguous.
David

attila77 2010-05-13 07:34

Re: [Maemo 5] We need more apps! Why aren't there more applications in Ovi Store and Extras?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DrInequality (Post 656210)
Both the store interface being broken and the content.
Why, oh why, didn't Nokia get a few devs onboard
before the store went live to pre-populate the store
with ~10 apps at launch.

For the record, that’s what they did to the letter.

Quote:

e.g. competition for best apps, waiver of reg fee,
lowering of 30% margin, clear statement of support
for Maemo -> MeeGo migration.
They are not even close to the point of this becoming an issue which is very simple. It. Does. Not. Work. Until they fix that, it does not matter if the registration fee is 1 or 1000 euros.

kojacker 2010-05-19 22:46

Re: [Maemo 5] We need more apps! Why aren't there more applications in Ovi Store and Extras?
 
We're running a friendly app competition over the next month, if you'd like to contribute or interested in learning more about creating apps then please get involved :)

http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=53112

Im learning too, and I understand it can be a frustrating experience for the beginner. Hopefully the competition will help people take the plunge in app development, get some ideas flowing, find support, and at the end of it maybe a few more applications for us all to enjoy :)

smoku 2010-05-24 22:29

Re: [Maemo 5] We need more apps! Why aren't there more applications in Ovi Store and Extras?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by attila77 (Post 656476)
They are not even close to the point of this becoming an issue which is very simple. It. Does. Not. Work. Until they fix that, it does not matter if the registration fee is 1 or 1000 euros.

What exactly does not work?

I registered as a publisher in a matter of minutes.
The process of registering new app and uploading it is very easy and straighforward. The store technical support is responsive and reacts fast.
The testing process takes time, but QA team acts as advertised - within 6-8 work days.

Please share the source of your information, because my experience with publisher interface of Ovi Store is very different to "It. Does. Not. Work.".

smoku 2010-05-24 22:34

Re: Why So Many Free Apps For The N900?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Khertan (Post 641829)
But as the QA Testing is mess, the web package interface is full of bugs, i was never been able to push my game to extras ...

Happened to me. I reported bugs via Maemo Bugzilla. Problems were fixed right away.

Be more active people. Acting instead of complaining.

smoku 2010-05-24 22:37

Re: Is there a reson for the lacking of apps in ovi?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by nosa101 (Post 642423)
Lack of proper payment system discourages commercial developers from what I understand

People pay in store by credit card.
Publisher gets money transfers to the designated bank account once a month.

What's improper about this?

attila77 2010-05-25 06:39

Re: [Maemo 5] We need more apps! Why aren't there more applications in Ovi Store and Extras?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by smoku (Post 674087)
I registered as a publisher in a matter of minutes.
The process of registering new app and uploading it is very easy and straighforward. The store technical support is responsive and reacts fast.
The testing process takes time, but QA team acts as advertised - within 6-8 work days.

Please share the source of your information, because my experience with publisher interface of Ovi Store is very different to "It. Does. Not. Work.".

Oh, so you have commercial Maemo content in the Ovi store that has went through QA and is publicly available to end-user devices today ? Could you share which such package(s) are you the author of ?


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