Re: [Maemo 5] We need more apps! Why aren't there more applications in Ovi Store and Extras?
 

Yes, I have commercial Maemo content in the Ovi Store.
It's in the second iteration of QA testing, so it's not available yet. I hope it will be by the end of the week, though.

Re: Why So Many Free Apps For The N900?
 

haha ! look in b.m.o ... i didn't just complain ... i act !

And now i ve my own repository

And of course ... you cannot register on OVI without VAT. But not all company have a VAT in france.

Re: Is there a reson for the lacking of apps in ovi?
 

That's what I heard. Some people complained about the lack of DRM too.

Re: [Maemo 5] We need more apps! Why aren't there more applications in Ovi Store and Extras?
 

Aha. So not exactly there yet. Until a good month ago they did not even accept apps into QA (still waiting for their "we'll let you know when it becomes available"). Before PR1.2 there was no chance for a publisher to get commercial apps to end users (hence my it. doesn't. work.). They swear the newest revamp scheduled for this week and pr1.2 will actually lift the obstacles so can publish the actual content, but it doesn't change the fact there was (and still is, but hopefully just for a few more days now) no working store for the Maemo platform.

Re: [Maemo 5] We need more apps! Why aren't there more applications in Ovi Store and Extras?
 

so wheres this rollercoaster game we heard bout 6 months ago

Re: Is there a reson for the lacking of apps in ovi?
 

You heard what, exactly? And "some people complaining about something" is just not something you should repeat unless you have a real source and something that shows that it's actually a problem.

DRM is not a solution to any existing problem that doesn't hurt the end users.

Re: Is there a reson for the lacking of apps in ovi?
 

Lack of DRM can hold back the development of commercial apps from what I understand

Re: [Maemo 5] We need more apps! Why aren't there more applications in Ovi Store and Extras?
 

krhm. Wasn´t it 3½ months ago?

Re: [Maemo 5] We need more apps! Why aren't there more applications in Ovi Store and Extras?
 

it's coming later this week.
videoreview is on the way :D

Re: [Maemo 5] We need more apps! Why aren't there more applications in Ovi Store and Extras?
 

feels like 6

Re: [Maemo 5] We need more apps! Why aren't there more applications in Ovi Store and Extras?
 

coooooooooooooooooooooooooooool

Re: Is there a reson for the lacking of apps in ovi?
 

Can hold back? How? Or are you just guessing?

The binary is typically compiled for ARM making it very hard to use it somewhere else without fiddling a lot. By using a simple license key system (if the application actually is worth protecting at all), it's not impossible to circumvent it but often not worth it if the application has a price that's intended for online purchase. People in general actually tend to pay for online content if they think the price is ok.

The main incentive for companies to produce and release software is to make money. Imposing DRM is not an incentive for companies to produce software. To actually get a DRM solution that's both flexible enough to work transparently and be future proof is lots of work which costs lots of money.

If this is done to protect something that's sold for $7 a piece, the math is simple: it's a waste of time and effort and it will only hurt people who actually pay for the official version if the DRM fails to function in the future. This has been showed again and again when those who have paid for a game are forced to use cracked versions just to use the product when the DRM solution fails.

DRM is corporate smack talk that tries to solve the wrong problem.

Re: Is there a reson for the lacking of apps in ovi?
 

We have the precedent of the angry birds level pack. It was pulled from the Ovi store exactly because (lack) of DRM issues. DRM sucks, that's clear, but it's also clear that many publishers have difficulty creating business models that do not rely on it.

Re: [Maemo 5] We need more apps! Why aren't there more applications in Ovi Store and Extras?
 

drm hearts nobody apart from the people that pay for the items. drm can be stripped and has been done for many pc applications only takes time. drm is not the end all of application security.

Re: Is there a reson for the lacking of apps in ovi?
 

Could you give the source of this information?

Re: [Maemo 5] We need more apps! Why aren't there more applications in Ovi Store and Extras?
 

Re: [Maemo 5] We need more apps! Why aren't there more applications in Ovi Store and Extras?
 

This does not say anything about DRM.

It points the problem, that Ovi Store repository is wide open and anyone can install anything from it without any access control.

Re: [Maemo 5] We need more apps! Why aren't there more applications in Ovi Store and Extras?
 

Smoku, if you do not want to view access (and copy) control as DRM, cool, but doesn't make the issue any less DRM. Plus, it's not just about repositories, Ovi's 'second attempt' on the N900 involved the abolishment of repositories and the switch to the straight download of debs. Of course the debs could be copied and dpkg -installed on another device, so that was stopped too. This is DRM land no matter how you slice it.

Re: [Maemo 5] We need more apps! Why aren't there more applications in Ovi Store and Extras?
 

Please get your terms right. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_rights_management

DRM is not access control. It's usage pattern control. And in it's roots is doomed to fail - you cannot give something to someone and yet not give it.

Nevertheless the post you quoted does not say anything about DRM. I would like to see a statement about lack of DRM, given the fact the post you quoted explicitly says "we know that there is no copy control on device and we don't give a sh..". ;)

Re: [Maemo 5] We need more apps! Why aren't there more applications in Ovi Store and Extras?
 

From the page you linked.

Digital rights management (DRM) is a generic term for access control technologies that can be used by hardware manufacturers, publishers, copyright holders and individuals to impose limitations on the usage of digital content and devices. The term is used to describe any technology that inhibits uses of digital content not desired or intended by the content provider. The term does not generally refer to other forms of copy protection which can be circumvented without modifying the file or device, such as serial numbers or keyfiles.

That is exactly what the post talks about. They say that they are aware that applications can be copied/installed without authorization (euphemism for pirated) either via apt-get or by dpkg -i is not enough for them (so they are missing what ? Hint: some form of DRM). Do we really still want to beat this dead terminology horse ?

EDIT: extended quote from wikipedia

Re: [Maemo 5] We need more apps! Why aren't there more applications in Ovi Store and Extras?
 

[Digital rights management (DRM) is a generic term for access control technologies that can be used by hardware manufacturers, publishers, copyright holders and individuals to impose limitations on the usage of digital content and devices. The term is used to describe any technology that inhibits uses of digital content not desired or intended by the content provider. The term does not generally refer to other forms of copy protection which can be circumvented without modifying the file or device, such as serial numbers or keyfiles.

If you're unable to read the sentence to the end, I guess continuing the discussion is pointless.

Re: [Maemo 5] We need more apps! Why aren't there more applications in Ovi Store and Extras?
 

They were unable to limit the usage of their digital content so they pulled the plug until a better solution is found. I do not understand how that sentence is different from the aspect of the particular case we’re talking about, so I guess the discussion IS pointless.

Re: [Maemo 5] We need more apps! Why aren't there more applications in Ovi Store and Extras?
 

We have almost gone full circle now but I just have to point out a few things:

The game you guys are talking about was already produced, done, finished and packaged for end users. DRM or no DRM, the production was done and "the lack of DRM" in the OVI store didn't have any affect on the production of the game. Distribution, on the other hand, is affected.

I started this sub-thread by asking how production is affected by "the lack of DRM" and so far this has all been about distribution. I think we can all agree on DRM being there to make sure that only the customer and no-one else can, in this case, play the game and that's the only thing I'm talking about.

If the software companies aren't up for adjusting their market models to fit micro purchases online, they will be the losers. While the rigid companies get pushed out by the companies that do adjust, we as customers either won't get the software we want, and will pay for, or we have to make do with what the competitors offer.

So, if the OVI store doesn't match how some game developer wants to do business on account of usage control, it's a matter of "lack of DRM" affecting distribution. Nothing else.

Re: [Maemo 5] We need more apps! Why aren't there more applications in Ovi Store and Extras?
 

DRM hearts nobody, period.

But until there's a better way to reduce rampant uncontrolled distribution of contents, then content producers will still settle on DRM.

Re: [Maemo 5] We need more apps! Why aren't there more applications in Ovi Store and Extras?
 

It will be difficult to come up with solid numbers with regard to effect on production (hard to measure how many things do NOT exist). My assertion was is if DRM (or whatever you call it :) ) can affect the availability of technically done and good to go projects, it certainly can and will affect projects in the planning/porting phase.

Re: [Maemo 5] We need more apps! Why aren't there more applications in Ovi Store and Extras?
 

Yeah. There are plenty of variables that affect the effect of DRM toward a certain product too (sales region, type of software, market segment, platform distribution system, etc).

But what I know is if there is an easily obtainable copy online of your system, for free, then you will definitely lose some potential sales over that. Whether the 'free publication' you get out of that free, unauthorized, distribution makes up any positive gains in the future in anyway, no one will ever know. I'd say: many of the future distribution of the product will most likely be based on the free, unauthorized & uncontrolled copies out there anyway.

Re: [Maemo 5] We need more apps! Why aren't there more applications in Ovi Store and Extras?
 

will be intressting to see the pricing. Expect 3 to 5 times the price compared to I fart store.

Re: [Maemo 5] We need more apps! Why aren't there more applications in Ovi Store and Extras?
 

Aw crap...
Seems it has a long road before commercial release.
I'm not sure whether I want to put additional effort to jump those obstacles...


Another answer to OP question...

Re: [Maemo 5] We need more apps! Why aren't there more applications in Ovi Store and Extras?
 

Well, to add 2 (more) cents to this, DRM is, to me, the last cry of a dieing business model. The same happened to many other mediums, forms, goods, whatever.

Many businesses have failed through time as the stuff they sold became either outdated, uncontrollable, free, etc. Free exchange of information will never die, and, as a result, a company either comes up with a better business model or die with the old.

There are many people out there making money off free or easily pirated software.

I doubt DRM is going to make or break OVI, Nokia or 3rd party developers. I believe pricing and distribution could.

I am not going to dpkg -i angrybirds extra levels for 3 bucks. Maybe that's just me. But there are games out there selling half a million copies with zero protection. SOASE has a 500% ROI.

Re: [Maemo 5] We need more apps! Why aren't there more applications in Ovi Store and Extras?
 

what do you guys think if I port this app.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITbPCA3EIJ4

basically the idea was to download wallpapers from flickr.
I have it working on Symbian^3 and also on N900. Need to do some packaging before i release it to extras-devel

Re: [Maemo 5] We need more apps! Why aren't there more applications in Ovi Store and Extras?
 

Looks awesome, can't wait to test it out :)

Re: Come on bring more apps... its like 0.5 new apps per day now :)
 

Hi VDVsx,

I think it is great so many people invest so much time and effort in creating apps! Especially if those apps are for free, the creators deserve our respect and gratitude. I only have my N900 for about 3weeks now, but I installed and use at lest 30 apps. I did not know hoever that I can vote in order to help promote apps to become full acnowledged apps. How does that work?

Re: [Maemo 5] We need more apps! Why aren't there more applications in Ovi Store and Extras?
 

Take a look at

http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras-testing

It contains all the instructions. The important thing is that this is not just a question of support and goodwill - thumb up an app only of if works/fullfills criteria, thumb down only if you have issues with it (comment obligatory).

Re: [Maemo 5] We need more apps! Why aren't there more applications in Ovi Store and Extras?
 

I think n900 seems to be the best phone out there. But there is lack of people using maemo 5 ... and im a bit afraid im going to be disapointed about the to small choice of different applications.

Do you think there is to few apps for maemo 5, compared with iphone and android?

How is the supply of applications for symbian?


Hope some one can help me get some knowledge :)

Re: [Maemo 5] We need more apps! Why aren't there more applications in Ovi Store and Extras?
 

don't even dare buy the n900, you'll be throwing away money. Buy an android or the iphone if you want apps.

Re: [Maemo 5] We need more apps! Why aren't there more applications in Ovi Store and Extras?
 

ooh :( i liked the n900... but i guess i hate it after a few days, haha :P

how about symbian then?

Re: [Maemo 5] We need more apps! Why aren't there more applications in Ovi Store and Extras?
 

Thing you should know:

1. iPhone (and to much lesser extent Android) count the number of applications differently (for us, an ebook reader or a console emulator is one app, for them, every single book, web page or emulated game is a separate app)

2. The TYPE of apps is different. It's not just X times more or less apps. The apps on Maemo5 are on average much more utility and tech oriented. We are very much on par and maybe even superior when it comes to linux, networking and that sort of stuff, but are vastly outclassed, say, in the department of high quality commercial games.

3. maemo.org currently has well over 3000 apps in various stages of development/availability. Whether the (on average) 100 you actually use and need are among them depends solely on YOU.

4. A lot of applications written for MeeGo and the Nokia N9 will be fairly easy to backport for Maemo5

So no easy yes-or-no answer, but that is exactly why some people swear BY the N900 and some swear AT it.

Re: [Maemo 5] We need more apps! Why aren't there more applications in Ovi Store and Extras?
 

Yeah that how to see it in advance... :P

Do you miss any apps you see other phonse have?


Thanks.

Re: [Maemo 5] We need more apps! Why aren't there more applications in Ovi Store and Extras?
 

I decided to buy all of the apps that are currently paid apps in the app store.

Zen bound, angry birds level pack, Morpho Quick Panorama Pro. I had previously bought all the map packs for Sygic, as I do a lot of driving in US, Canada and Europe, so I didn´t purchase them again.

Although I don´t expect to play zen bound or angry birds I felt that spending $6 on those, just to get the programmers some bang for their efforts was probably worth it to show that this was at least a somewhat viable ecosphere.

Re: [Maemo 5] We need more apps! Why aren't there more applications in Ovi Store and Extras?
 

http://www.mobiata.com/ here's some apps i would like to see on my n900