Re: Dell Releases What n900 Should Have Been (Dell Streak)
 

Times change. Things get old. Expectations adjust accordingly to reality.

Only two months ago I was salivating over the Streak. But then I was expecting it both sooner and cheaper. I don't understand what justifies the delay; as to the price, I am sure Dell will soon offer a deal that will make it irresistible again. So there's no rush...

Re: Dell Releases What n900 Should Have Been (Dell Streak)
 

FYI : Dell's Pre-sale just started (just got the email invite)

Not going to buy yet as ATT and the unlocked price put it out of reach:(


As a user of a N800, I was very much looking forward to the Streak as an upgrade. However the same issue I have with the N900 cropped up: the cellular radio / and having to deal with the Cell providers here in the US ( I envy those of you across the pond for this).

I would love a device with these specs (or even the N900's) with a modular cell radio. I'd put up with having a larger device for this. I really do not think that it would be too difficult, as all of the providers have some sort of USB Dongle cell modem now.

Re: Dell Releases What n900 Should Have Been (Dell Streak)
 

I agree that a year ago, when the Streak was first rumoured, it would have been very desirable. 18 months ago when the n900 was new this community would have been foaming at the mouth for it as an super-n800!! Snag is since then there are many new high performance devices, ok so none of this exact size, but now the Streak's no longer the only game in town! I don't consider the iPad in this, BTW, it's way beyond pocketable.

The streak might be $550 unlocked in USA, but the price in the UK is £450 i.e. $700... clearly pitching it in the iphone4 and ipad camp, but neither apple product's "premium marketing appeal" makes me willing to pay their price, nor will I pay that for the streak.

I can get an off-contract HTC Desire or Samsung GalaxyS for less than £350, I imagine the ACE/DesireHD will be around the same and the Desire will drop in price.

There's no way I'm paying more than £300 for a Streak unless that was for the full package - ie. with at least a full set of cables, if not a dock as well.

I bought my n800 for a little less than $200, adding memory cards etc brought the price up to around $300.

So, for the moment, I think I'm still firmly wedded to my Fujitsu U2010 whose only faults are thickness/chunkyness and a crap speaker!

Re: Dell Releases What n900 Should Have Been (Dell Streak)
 

The objections on the Streak seem to come down to pricing, or more specifically US pricing.

It does seem that US consumers are royally screwed over and with government acquiescence. The comments section on this piece makes for informative reading to my UK ears.
http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/12/o...dt-wrongs-sti/

My N800 price in 2007 was £290 (including a 128 Mb SD card). The O2 Streak price on launch was £399 without contract i.e. only £109 more and I feel that is a fair differential considering the all round upgrade in specification.

However my question is not about cost, pricing, network provider or contract terms, important as those details are.

The internet tablet ethos was about having a minimum 4.3” screen pocketable device. The 5” Streak is no less pocketable than the N800 and the larger screen is even more useful.

The Streak’s single differential point over all the competition is that screen. The big question is whether the screen size in itself provides sufficiently compelling grounds to forgive the device’s perceived inadequacies.

Speaking for myself and having had the Streak for almost 6 weeks I am convinced that it is.

However, if there was to be any forum where I would expect to find like minds it would be this one. Clearly I am in a minority and it is that which I find surprising, recalling as I do the many exchanges on here in which this very form factor was being touted as the holy grail.

Granted, many things have moved on but the proliferation of 4.3” to 5” screen devices has not increased yet it seems that this requirement has receded into a non issue. I think it is that aspect which leaves me perplexed. It is as if I am the only one left still carrying the flag for large screen pocketable devices.

I sold my 3GS to buy the Streak and there is no way that I will go back to a smaller screen now. I checked out a Samsung Galaxy/Captivate the other day and promptly put it back down again out of sheer disinterest. Likewise an HTC Desire or whatever it is called.

Maybe I should just be given a long service ITT medal so I can shuffle off into retirement.

Re: Dell Releases What n900 Should Have Been (Dell Streak)
 

I just saw the news that the streak in USA can't be bought unlocked; in the UK for a while you couldn't buy it from Dell, only the accessories, so maybe when the ATT exclusive lapses then Dell will sell.

Of course it's quite possible it will get r00ted and unlocked easily, but I have a fundamental objection to buying anything over which I have little control. I bought a cheap Nokia 2730 for $60 recently and it irks me that it is simlocked despite it only being intended as a cheap spare! I also have a playstation3 and the loss of otheros really offended me!

Paul

Re: Dell Releases What n900 Should Have Been (Dell Streak)
 

I absolutely agree with being sick and tired of straitjacketing by companies who more often than not do it to us simply because they can.

Perversely enough one of the reasons I bought an iPhone, the ultimate locked down drm’d restrictive device, was that I was confident in being able to jailbreak and carrier unlock it.

And I could and did courtesy of the incredible hacker community.

Posts like this one give me hope of a similar community growing up around the Streak
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=752370

That has already been done
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=750085
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=713591

Carrier unlock seems to be a separate issue and I am less confident of that but who knows. In US AT&T seems to be universally disliked and if there is a groundswell of clamouring Streak enthusiasts then anything could be possible.

IMHO the Streak is more of an enthusiast device and less of a consumer item.

Re: Dell Releases What n900 Should Have Been (Dell Streak)
 

This is just another **** android phone with poor quality. Enjoy slowness! :D

Re: Dell Releases What n900 Should Have Been (Dell Streak)
 

Really? Please elaborate.

Is this serious or just another puerile fanboy comment so atypical of this forum? Perhaps you could elaborate 'slowness'?

My hands-on experience related to my previous devices, N800 and iPhone3GS, does not give any indication of noticeable slowness that I can discern

Presently the Streak runs 1.6 which is accepted as being no speed merchant compared to more recent builds. O2 has (unofficially) confirmed that 2.1 will be available in September.

So I can look forward a few weeks to the already perfectly acceptable performance being increased by an average of approx. 50%.
http://www.streaksmart.com/2010/08/d...ndroid-21.html

Re: Dell Releases What n900 Should Have Been (Dell Streak)
 

Very2 interesting indeed...

I wonder how's the battery life?

I'd buy this in a heartbeat if it comes with froyo...

Re: Dell Releases What n900 Should Have Been (Dell Streak)
 

Streak is already rooted, so there should be no problem in creating unofficial 2.2 build for it.

Re: Dell Releases What n900 Should Have Been (Dell Streak)
 

Whatever happened to the Streak with maemo/meego?

Re: Dell Releases What n900 Should Have Been (Dell Streak)
 

That was a good and interesting analysis.

Maybe all that iHype has watered down the impact of desirable things...

Re: Dell Releases What n900 Should Have Been (Dell Streak)
 

huh......?

Re: Dell Releases What n900 Should Have Been (Dell Streak)
 

One owner has reported 4 days on a single charge. Experience seems to vary wildly though. I would expect to charge mine every day. It charges quickly too.

We already have an unofficial build of 2.1 (things move quickly) which I shall try later once I have made a backup
http://www.streaksmart.com/2010/08/a...ak-leaked.html
So maybe an unofficial 2.2 won’t be too far behind? I so love Linux.

I think you are on to something there. It is like a spoiled jadedness has afflicted users, made them blasé so that little excites anymore.

Re: Dell Releases What n900 Should Have Been (Dell Streak)
 

I am working on MeeGo for Streak.

Re: Dell Releases What n900 Should Have Been (Dell Streak)
 

That sounds very interesting

Re: Dell Releases What n900 Should Have Been (Dell Streak)
 

i have always loved big screens. i was interestes in the streak a month ago, i thought of selling my n900 for the streak. But i realized i cant leave maemo.The streak's delay added to it and nokia world is just a month away where i am sure the next meego device with atleast 4" will be released for the same price. I am holding on for now

Re: Dell Releases What n900 Should Have Been (Dell Streak)
 

@speculatrix: Good to see your presence on xda-developers.

Perfectly phrased and mirrors my sentiments exactly.

Re: Dell Releases What n900 Should Have Been (Dell Streak)
 

If only it came officially with 2.2, and Swype (soft keyboards and I don't get along). Oh and not locked to AT&T.:mad:

Re: Dell Releases What n900 Should Have Been (Dell Streak)
 

Di Novo mini for £60 from Logitech using codes
******LOGIDEALQ2W6 and WECARE10 to buy at this price******

http://www.logitech.com/en-gb/keyboa...d/devices/3848

Perfect mouse + keyboard companion for streak:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2eSWHLL1N8

Re: Dell Releases What n900 Should Have Been (Dell Streak)
 

These codes do not work. :p

Re: Dell Releases What n900 Should Have Been (Dell Streak)
 

Oh damn! It was only posted 1 day ago though and hasn't been expired:

http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/dino...ered-lo/736936

I haven't tried it myself as you can tell:)

Re: Dell Releases What n900 Should Have Been (Dell Streak)
 

I was thinking about it, but £100 is just to much, but £60 is a bargain...

Re: Dell Releases What n900 Should Have Been (Dell Streak)
 

anybody see that extra finger?

Re: Dell Releases What n900 Should Have Been (Dell Streak)
 

Yeah but... it'd still be a Nokia. Naw, I'll pass on that. So far, they haven't shown any signs of improving their customer service.

Re: Dell Releases What n900 Should Have Been (Dell Streak)
 

Drizzle...Drizzle...
Me imagining the streak to dualboot maemo
Drizzle..Drizzle...

Re: Dell Releases What n900 Should Have Been (Dell Streak)
 

Just ordered a new Dell Streak tonight on ebay, looking forward to trying it out.. but most of all looking forward to writing mobile apps in Java again! :cool:

Re: Dell Releases What n900 Should Have Been (Dell Streak)
 

Good luck with the purchase. I bought mine on eBay too.

Are you in the UK? Either way I wonder if you could help out with information needed to reproduce the 1.6 Keyboard?
http://android.modaco.com/content/de.../1-6-keyboard/
The rest of us appear to have upgraded to 2.1 already and miss the old keyboard layout. It would be great to have the choice to revert to it.

Re: Dell Releases What n900 Should Have Been (Dell Streak)
 

Catch me on XDA, because this is not a place to talk about Android stuff.

Re: Dell Releases What n900 Should Have Been (Dell Streak)
 

I just received my Dell Streak. :D

Re: Dell Releases What n900 Should Have Been (Dell Streak)
 

Congratulations.

Best roll up your sleeves then and get to it.:)

Re: Dell Releases What n900 Should Have Been (Dell Streak)
 

Doh. I didn't know Android is soooo nice to use...
And it's just 1.6 installed, with 2.x upgrade just around the corner.

Re: Dell Releases What n900 Should Have Been (Dell Streak)
 

For the interested ones...
Streak internals are pretty similar to what we are used to on N900.

# mount
rootfs / rootfs ro 0 0
tmpfs /dev tmpfs rw,mode=755 0 0
devpts /dev/pts devpts rw,mode=600 0 0
proc /proc proc rw 0 0
sysfs /sys sysfs rw 0 0
tmpfs /sqlite_stmt_journals tmpfs rw,size=4096k 0 0
tmpfs /var/local tmpfs rw 0 0
/dev/block/mtdblock6 /system yaffs2 ro 0 0
/dev/block/mtdblock7 /firstboot yaffs2 rw,nosuid,nodev 0 0
/dev/block/innersd0p5 /cache ext3 rw,noatime,nodiratime,errors=continue,commit=99999 ,data=ordered 0 0
/dev/block/innersd0p6 /data ext3 rw,noatime,nodiratime,errors=continue,commit=99999 ,data=ordered 0 0
/dev/block//vold/179:9 /sdcard vfat rw,dirsync,nosuid,nodev,noexec,uid=1000,gid=1015,f mask=0002,dmask=0002,allow_utime=0020,codepage=cp4 37,iocharset=iso8859-1,shortname=mixed,utf8 0 0

So, there is a MTD with bootloader and system root, internal SD card (replacable after opening the casing) with runtime and user data, and "external" micro SD for user stored removable data.
The rest is pretty standard linux mounts, with one tmpfs to speedup sqlite.

Re: Dell Releases What n900 Should Have Been (Dell Streak)
 

After using the Dell Streak for a little bit. I have found that this device's flaw is not lack of a keyboard or capacitive touchscreen (that is personal preference really). I have found what really is the Achilles heel is price 800-1000 unlocked, 550 locked to At&t network, $300 network subsidized, way too expensive even for unlocked phone standards. Besides the price THERE IS NO KICKSTAND!!! Why am I complaining about lack of kickstand because this device has front cam and a really large screen both of which would be ideal for making video calls with something like Fring or Qik but I can't stand the device on a table that means it would be awkward for making video calls because of how large the device is. Lack of kickstand isn't good because this device is supposed to be a media device. Also as media device there is only basic video codec support so no DivX or Xvid. Dell acts like they invented the 5inch tablet err several manufacturers did it before them including several Chinese manufacturers and Archos. I think Archos 5 is better package because it has a kickstand, 3-4 times cheaper $260 32gb Archos 5 or Dell Streak 16gb for $800-1000, and supports all of the codecs the Dell Streak won't play. The device is also too big to be a phone, sorry I don't want to hold that up to my head. Despite the Streaks flaws I think it will be a great device.

Re: Dell Releases What n900 Should Have Been (Dell Streak)
 

i had it for 3 days bought it from dell us, and sold it right after back to my N900 again...the bigscree, touchscreen,720p nice and all but like u said lack of playback video, almost most android os do the same, it didnt have media service like our MEDIA SERVICE BOX, took me a full day to do research and non of it call media service work like our media service box, otherthan that game experience is good. but i can play it on NITDROID N900 so i figure sold it. lost around 70$

Re: Dell Releases What n900 Should Have Been (Dell Streak)
 

Isn’t that subjective too? I have one locked to O2 UK and cost £400 (equivalent to $614) Yes of course I wish it was cheaper but it is well worth it to me so no Achilles heel there.

Why are you shouting? It is not that important. I prefer the slimness of the device as it is. Any attempt to incorporate a kickstand will introduce bulk. If I need to use a desk stand then there are many options to choose from.

Didn’t you even consider installing Rockplayer?
http://www.anplayer.com/index_en.html
“RockPlayer can support audio and video container format: avi mkv rmvb mp4 mov wmv asf wma wav mpg ts mpa dvd au mp3 mid ivf aiff ogm ogg cda flic d2v aac roq flac drc dsm swf pls pmp.Audio and video encoding format AAC AC3 DTS FLV4 LPCM ALAW ULAW MPEG Audio MPEG-1 MPEG-2 RealVideo RealAideo Vorbis AVC VC1 XVID DIVX SVQ Theora Bink Theora Bink basically includes all popular multimedia formats.”

Again personal and subjective to you and what you want to do. FWIW it is not too big to be a phone. I use it as such for every call I make and receive.

The so called flaws are your narrow opinions. It is a great device

Why all the shouting too? How is that lack deemed to be flaw? I have no interest in a Media Service Box, so what? Besides this is an Android issue not a Dell Streak defect.

Re: Dell Releases What n900 Should Have Been (Dell Streak)
 

Well rock player costs money. The dell streak is still overpriced (atleast in the United States) if you want it unlocked here you got to get if for 800-1000 dollars. A kickstand would add almost no bulk. Again despite my criticisms this device is great I like the form factor it can still fit into a jacket pocket or shirt pocket easily, but then again there already many devices with this form factor that are a lot cheaper. I also wouldn't use it as phone because it look really weird if you went in public.

Re: Dell Releases What n900 Should Have Been (Dell Streak)
 

No so, it is free with ads.

Really, that is news to me? Where else can I get a 5” screen Android mobile phone - let alone one that is cheaper.

Priceless.

Re: Dell Releases What n900 Should Have Been (Dell Streak)
 

Well didn't know that I heard it was trial version with Ads then you have to pay.

Maybe these devices aren't phones but they do have similar in form factor. Sure these devices aren't phone but they do have the same form factor. Why would you want to hold that thing up to your head. Maybe I could understand using a Bluetooth headset http://www.amazon.com/Archos-32-Inte...4311795&sr=8-2

You would look like a total dork holding that up to your head.

Re: Dell Releases What n900 Should Have Been (Dell Streak)
 

+1

Had a quick shuftie at the Streak in my local(ish) O2 outlet.

Can't see how anyone could say "That's what the N900 should have been".
http://fc00.deviantart.net/fs71/f/20...inaHarijau.gif It's like a soddin' Nimitz Class aircraft carrier. I couldn't walk round with that in my pocket all day, and I'm buggered if I'm gonna go pulling a suit-case around everywhere I go.

I thought the HTC HD2 was big.
I'll stick to my N900 thanks.