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-   -   Nokia vs. Apple Patent Lawsuits and Countersuits (https://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=33325)

luca 2009-12-11 18:30
Re: Apple countersues Nokia
 
"Apple ignited the personal computer revolution in the 1970s with the Apple II and reinvented the personal computer in the 1980s with the Macintosh"

I'll add that it could do so only because at that time nobody cared about software patents.
Today apple wouldn't have a chance to exist.

timoph 2009-12-11 18:32
Re: Apple countersues Nokia
 
See this thread -> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=33325

There's the same conversation going on.

Laughing Man 2009-12-11 18:48
Re: Apple countersues Nokia
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by luca (Post 423308)
"Apple ignited the personal computer revolution in the 1970s with the Apple II and reinvented the personal computer in the 1980s with the Macintosh"

I'll add that it could do so only because at that time nobody cared about software patents.
Today apple wouldn't have a chance to exist.
Hell Microsoft wouldn't exist. I believe Bill Gates even pointed it out himself.

sjgadsby 2009-12-11 19:01
Re: Nokia vs. Apple Patent Lawsuits and Countersuits
 
Threads merged and title generalized to cover both the suit and countersuit.

Laughing Man 2009-12-11 19:51
Re: Nokia vs. Apple Patent Lawsuits and Countersuits
 
http://www.betanews.com/article/Appl...nts/1260559533

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Apple foresaw the importance of converged user-friendly mobile devices...designed a business strategy based on the convergence of personal computers, mobile communications, and digital consumer electronics, and produced...devices such as the iPod, iPod Touch and the iPhone.
Err...the n800 came out in Jan. 2007. The first iPhone came out in June 29, 2007. Then you have the 770 which came out 2005-11-03. (dates from Wikipedia).

So the only thing Apple has in their example that predated the Nokia tablets is the iPod. Which came out 23 October 2001.

Quote:
Apple singles out the 5310, E71, N900 by name, but includes the Series 40, S60 and Symbian platforms, Carbide C++ (because it's developed in an environment that enables the compiler to generate a GUI), and any Nokia product that identifies itself through USB.
Some of the patents Apple is claiming Nokia infringes.

But anyway, I've already echoed my opinion before. The whole patent system is a joke.

OrangeBox 2009-12-11 19:53
Re: Nokia vs. Apple Patent Lawsuits and Countersuits
 
They'll end up cross licensing each others' technologies. Apple is no worse than Nokia wrto using others' ideas. (google qualcomm sues nokia)

The reason why Nokia is suing Apple and not the other way around is because Nokia has been losing money and market share while Apple's star is shining brighter than ever before.

Rauha 2009-12-11 19:55
Re: Nokia vs. Apple Patent Lawsuits and Countersuits
 
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Originally Posted by Laughing Man (Post 423457)


Err...the n800 came out in Jan. 2007. The first iPhone came out in June 29, 2007. Then you have the 770 which came out 2005-11-03. (dates from Wikipedia).
Nokia Communicator, which allready did most things Apple claims iPhone to have brought to mobile market, was released in 1996.

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Originally Posted by OrangeBox (Post 423459)

The reason why Nokia is suing Apple and not the other way around is because Nokia has been losing money and market share while Apple's star is shining brighter than ever before.
Sorry, but that's just silly. Even Apple's own court documents state that they started negotiating before Apple even had marketshare. This thing is going to court because they couldn't get an agreement on licensing terms.

Texrat 2009-12-11 19:57
Re: Nokia vs. Apple Patent Lawsuits and Countersuits
 
Gah. Some of those patent descriptions make me really question the system...

Laughing Man 2009-12-11 20:00
Re: Nokia vs. Apple Patent Lawsuits and Countersuits
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OrangeBox (Post 423459)
They'll end up cross licensing each others' technologies. Apple is no worse than Nokia wrto using others' ideas. (google qualcomm sues nokia)
Yup, Apple basically did the same thing Nokia did. They basically went through a 3rd party company that paid the licensing fee. I forget who Nokia went through, but Apple is going through Foxconn.

Edit: See Texrat's post below for who Nokia used.

Texrat 2009-12-11 20:04
Re: Nokia vs. Apple Patent Lawsuits and Countersuits
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Laughing Man (Post 423470)
Yup, Apple basically did the same thing Nokia did. They basically went through a 3rd party company that paid the licensing fee. I forget who Nokia went through, but Apple is going through Foxcomm.
Nokia used Foxconn and Compal.


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