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Laughing Man 2009-11-07 20:56
Re: Can someone tell me why N900 and not Android?
 
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Originally Posted by johnkzin (Post 368324)
You pass your traffic through their proxy. They could be doing things like watching the browser's signature to see whether or not you're using the built-in browser, vs. a desktop browser. I mean, if you've got Safari or Internet Explorer signature tags in your traffic, that's pretty clearly not your N900 :-)
Err...

1) You can change useragents on both the tablets and computer
2) You can run an alternative operating system on the tablets (e.g. debian that has its own browsers.
3) Other browsers (e.g. fennec).

They can speculate but in the end since the n900 and the previous tablets are more computer than smartphone there's no reliable way to differentiate them.

johnkzin 2009-11-07 21:31
Re: Can someone tell me why N900 and not Android?
 
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Originally Posted by SD69 (Post 368343)
I think this is a bit askew. Here is the actual TOS language:

16. * Misuse of Service or Device
Read further:

Quote:
29. Additional Terms for Data Plans and Features

The following terms apply to your data plan or feature (“Data Plan”). To the extent any term in your Data Plan expressly conflicts with the general Terms and Conditions, which also apply to your service, the term in your Data Plan will govern. Please read your Data Plan carefully.

1. Permissible and Prohibited Uses

Your Data Plan is intended for Web browsing, messaging, and similar activities on your device and not on any other equipment. Unless explicitly permitted by your Data Plan, other uses, including for example, tethering your device to a personal computer or other hardware, are not permitted.

Examples of prohibited uses include but are not limited to: (...) (b) as a substitute or backup for private lines or dedicated data connections;
Tethering is explicitly forbidden.

johnkzin 2009-11-07 21:33
Re: Can someone tell me why N900 and not Android?
 
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Originally Posted by Laughing Man (Post 368355)
Err...

1) You can change useragents on both the tablets and computer
2) You can run an alternative operating system on the tablets (e.g. debian that has its own browsers.
3) Other browsers (e.g. fennec).

They can speculate but in the end since the n900 and the previous tablets are more computer than smartphone there's no reliable way to differentiate them.
Whether or not you can obscure it is not the point. The point is: you're in violation of your TOS if you do it. For those of us who like to be either safe, honest, or good customers (or a combination of those), that means it's off limits.

There's all kinds of things I CAN do. That doesn't make it a good idea to actually do them.

Laughing Man 2009-11-07 21:41
Re: Can someone tell me why N900 and not Android?
 
My point is that there's no way for them to differentiate the traffic. Not even by pattern of usage. Not like that matters though since the n900 is pretty much a computer anyway (you can do almost everything that is bandwith hungry on the computer on the n900 anyway).

johnkzin 2009-11-07 22:09
Re: Can someone tell me why N900 and not Android?
 
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Originally Posted by Laughing Man (Post 368396)
My point is that there's no way for them to differentiate the traffic. Not even by pattern of usage.
There's no way for them to reliably differentiate the traffic. If you're intentionally being dishonest to avoid their ability to track you. There certainly are ways for them to differentiate the traffic of devices that aren't attempting to avoid their detection. Whether or not they detect it is beside the point. The point is: by doing it, you're violating the TOS. You're breaching a contract YOU signed. Those of us who are honest people consider that to be important, in and of itself.

Laughing Man 2009-11-07 22:16
Re: Can someone tell me why N900 and not Android?
 
I'm afraid your missing the point. My point is that the n900 is so close to a computer that any user that uses the n900 like they do their computer can't be differentiated from a user that tethers their device. That is unless they have a dumb phone or an Android smartphone that doesn't have the capability that Maemo 5 and the n900 have.

I'm not saying anything regarding the TOS, or whether it's right or wrong.

SD69 2009-11-07 22:19
Re: Can someone tell me why N900 and not Android?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by johnkzin (Post 368391)
Read further:



Tethering is explicitly forbidden.
Except if the data plan permits it.

Aren't the new Even More plans explicitly equipment agnostic?

johnkzin 2009-11-07 22:28
Re: Can someone tell me why N900 and not Android?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Laughing Man (Post 368408)
My point is that the n900 is so close to a computer that any user that uses the n900 like they do their computer can't be differentiated from a user that tethers their device.
Which is irrelevant.

johnkzin 2009-11-07 22:30
Re: Can someone tell me why N900 and not Android?
 
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Originally Posted by SD69 (Post 368409)
Except if the data plan permits it.

Aren't the new Even More plans explicitly equipment agnostic?
They're equipment agnostic in as much as "you don't have to have a data plan on smartphones, if you don't want one". But the plans themselves, as far as I know, still don't mention being approved for tethering.

Laughing Man 2009-11-07 22:49
Re: Can someone tell me why N900 and not Android?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by johnkzin (Post 368414)
Which is irrelevant.
Quote:
Originally Posted by johnkzin (Post 368317)
Sure, they have to catch you at it ... and no word right now that they're looking for it*. But, if it comes up (or if you press them on some service issue and they'd rather not follow through on it), they can say "you violated the TOS, we're cutting you loose".

(* and they probably only care in their 3G areas)

That's why it's relevant. Because if they can't differentiate who's tethering with the n900 (because like I pointed out, the other phones can't do what the n900 can do) and who is simply using the n900 heavily, well I doubt they're going risk pissing people off. Especially since then they're breaking the contract.


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