Re: What's with Canola2 2.0.0-maemo1 update?
 

I just tried installing bloody everything that has canola in its name and nothing.

I guess developers don't care about N8x0 any more. Most threads here are about N900 nowadays. What a shame... :( I don't remember anymore what kind of media player N900 has but maybe it's good enough so that there's no point to develop Canola anymore.

Re: What's with Canola2 2.0.0-maemo1 update?
 

ok... i just tried upgrading thinking it was safe to do so. BIG MISTAKE. Like others, the plugins don't work ... I just want my album art back.

Can anyone help me get Beta 11 back? I can't find it anywhere.

For the record, the latest version does work, but there isn't anything drastically different... so if you have beta11 DON'T UPGRADE!!!

Re: What's with Canola2 2.0.0-maemo1 update?
 

Even if the upgrade ever works properly, I'm kind of wondering about the purpose. This time there doesn't seem to have been any fanfare; I've only had my N810 for 11 months but I recall developer-started threads with Canola 2 announcements and a lot of updated news on the program's website. The last thing I recall hearing from Canola 2's developers involved a competition that was to lead to new user-developed themes. It was way over my head so I never participated, though I was anticipating some new themes to try. Did any ever materialize?

I hope I don't sound like I'm ungrateful. Even with its (for me) currently limited function as a music player, I am still amazed with how smoothly functioning and great looking Canola 2 truly is. It would just be a shame to have it fade away like this.

Re: What's with Canola2 2.0.0-maemo1 update?
 

I got caught too. I had disabled the extra-devel repository to make sure I wasn't getting anything that would break functionalities.
But when I was notified of updates via the desktop, I tried to install that version o Canola2.
After getting the initial blockers, I uninstalled Canola2 beta11 and installed that new version. After firing it up all I got is the Music and Photo icons.
I use Canola2 for much more, especially podcast through RSS feeds...

So what's the sure way to downgrade back to beta11 without breaking anything?

Posted bug 6253 : https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6253

Re: What's with Canola2 2.0.0-maemo1 update?
 

Yeah, going back to Beta 11 is what I'd like to do, but unless this problem gets fixed with the newer version, we'll be SOL when we reflash our devices. :(

Re: What's with Canola2 2.0.0-maemo1 update?
 

You're right. And it's a pisser.

Also, I believe there is no more Canola development team. Period.

Shortly after I started this thread, I wrote to "handful" -- the main contact between us (at the time, InternetTabletTalk.com) and the developers (OpenBossa, a Nokia-affiliated group in Brazil). He never responded.

Then, three days ago, I emailed the development team, from the OpenBossa website, the following, and I never heard back.
I hate this disappearing debs problem. It's starting to crop up elsewhere, too, like here:

http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...9&postcount=40

I'm getting the feeling I need to download, to my PC, debs for all of my many, many NIT programs so my N800 doesn't get obsoleted. It shouldn't be like that.

Re: What's with Canola2 2.0.0-maemo1 update?
 

For those of you who have been around for a while, this kind of thing is unusual, right? It seems odd that a long-standing and beloved program that has been developed, updated and maintained with such care (not to mention one that has a vocally appreciative and devoted fan base) would be mangled by a broken official upgrade and abandoned once and for all.

Back in 2008 when I was researching some potential gadgets, Canola 2 was featured again and again as a "killer app" and a major reason for going with a Nokia tablet.

I hope the "killer app" hasn't been murdered in turn, by its developers! To quote Shakespeare (or not): "...'twould be a foul deed..."

Re: What's with Canola2 2.0.0-maemo1 update?
 

Actually when the update showed I went to install and it threw a fit. I've been up against deadlines for development so I didn't bother and now I am glad I didn't! :)

Re: What's with Canola2 2.0.0-maemo1 update?
 

Well, here's the link to beta11. I tried installing, but it complained about all these other dependencies. When I tried to manually install the dependancies, I got an incompatible package error. When I tried to do an "apt-get -f install", I get a can't find the .deb error.

Anybody know how to resolve for this? http://repository.maemo.org/extras-d...maemo3_all.deb

Re: What's with Canola2 2.0.0-maemo1 update?
 

I've just started a thread to see if I can help you guys out.

If I have App X installed on my NIT, and you want it, but there is no longer a .deb, how do I "give" you App X to install?

Re: What's with Canola2 2.0.0-maemo1 update?
 

I don't know what changed, but I ran canola cleanup twice and reinstalled. Now, the plugins seem to work!!!! Willr eport later... I have to run.

Re: What's with Canola2 2.0.0-maemo1 update?
 

?Why does running canola cleanup uninstall/remove Bluemaemo too?

Re: What's with Canola2 2.0.0-maemo1 update?
 

i have no idea why yet, but confirmed that everything is working. the only other thing i can think of is that i disabled a duplicate repository for maemo extras. the other one did not call out chinook or diablo.... maybe this had an effect on the dependencies?

updated: here are some screenshots

Re: What's with Canola2 2.0.0-maemo1 update?
 

I am now officially confused....:o

After multiple uninstalls & cleanups run... Canola2 2.0 Launches Yeah!

New interface is nice and the ability to remove icons from the home screen are cool.

It is however v___e___r___y slow loading ( indexing at start is turned off)

I can navigate to my media folder on the external SD and see all my music listed...however no files are found?:confused:

I had to install Mediabox to listen to my music :( (nothing against MB but I did like Canola better)

Re: What's with Canola2 2.0.0-maemo1 update?
 

[Edit]
I re-installed Canola in the morning and it didn't cure my problem (still got this missing _md5 module error). Now I re-installed Tuning plugin and the problem disappeared. Back to happy. :D

So the Tuning plugin is now fixed but Canola itself can still have dependency problems.

Re: What's with Canola2 2.0.0-maemo1 update?
 

I had same problem but restarting Canola fixed it. I'm not able to add new files at the moment but have to test it when I get back home. Hopefuly you don't need to restart every time that you change the library..

Re: What's with Canola2 2.0.0-maemo1 update?
 

I didn't have any dependency issues when it successfully installed. I would strongly recommend that you try matching up your repository entry for Maemo Extras with how I have it. I have a feeling that this is what was causing problems.

Re: What's with Canola2 2.0.0-maemo1 update?
 

I think so too - because my repositories are set up just like you have - and I did not realize that I had an entry that did not explicitly say 'diablo' and turns out that I do - and maybe that is the reason I did not have any issues.

Re: What's with Canola2 2.0.0-maemo1 update?
 

Guys,

sorry for the lack of reply, and unfortunately like GeraldK pointed out, the Canola team was officially dismissed, and Etrunko is doing whatever he can in his free time.

I checked and unfortunately the site was sending email to the wrong address ( marcelo.oliveira ) now is marcelo.eduardo

Anyhow, Etrunko is the only one that can fix this, He was already looking into the issues, as I was got some messages from old users on my personal gtalk account. But now he has been on vacations ( he was also fixing several stuff but the focus was to get it working on the Maemo5). He pointed out that it looked like a lot of things changed in the repos, so the fix was not straight forward.

We really want to dedicate more time to that, but we were also overloaded with current projects and lack of new team members. So even free time has been a problem.

Anyhow, the situation is quite serious and we are deeply sorry, we tried our best to convince people here that the app deserved "comercial" grade support, but people said "don't worry" community will take care what of course didn't happens ;) even when we told them it wouldn't .

Etrunko will for sure enter and come back to you with updates.

Best regards

Marcelo

Re: What's with Canola2 2.0.0-maemo1 update?
 

Hey Marcelo,

It was a good feeling to see your icon! Thanks for checking in to let us know what is happening. Looking forward to hearing from Etrunko.

BTW, I may have missed something, but I don't think Canola's source has been released yet, correct? (If not, not sure how the community could fix this.) :)

Thank you!
H.

Re: What's with Canola2 2.0.0-maemo1 update?
 

I have to agree, it's nice to see your icon, handful! (Though I rather miss the version that had your sweetheart in the picture, too.)

Thanks for visiting us here. I look forward to Etrunko's visit and fix.

Re: What's with Canola2 2.0.0-maemo1 update?
 

Any word on a fix? Having a broken Canola 2 is depressing me more than I thought it would!

Re: What's with Canola2 2.0.0-maemo1 update?
 

"Etrunko will for sure enter and come back to you with updates."

It's been three weeks and we are yet to hear from Etrunko.

O que está acontecendo? (Anyway, that's how Google Translate says "What's happening?" in Portuguese.)

Re: What's with Canola2 2.0.0-maemo1 update?
 

This is all a little sad, while I had no intention of ever installing Canola in my n810, once I did I fell in love with the way it handled RSS and Pod-casts youtube and my photos .

Canola set the bar for pod-casting I was able to download 6 pod casts in the morning before I left and listen to them at leisure. (I wish there was a purge RSS cash though) my n810 touch screen died and I have patently waited for my n900, and now it is here I enjoy there are many improvements on the media player but i stress it docent touch Canola`s ability to manage RSS pod-casts and downloads.

Re: What's with Canola2 2.0.0-maemo1 update?
 

Installing the latest version of Canola tuning plugin is the cure at the moment. At least it worked for me and few others who reported problems. I think you need to cleanup the current installation first and then install Canola and tuning plugin.

Re: What's with Canola2 2.0.0-maemo1 update?
 

this is true!

Re: What's with Canola2 2.0.0-maemo1 update?
 

Tried just that and still no luck. I uninstalled anything Canola 2-related, ran the cleanup, and reinstalled Canola 2 and the tuning add-on. Still won't show video. Very irritating. I think I'm done trying to work with Canola 2 and will stick with Mediabox for everything.

Re: What's with Canola2 2.0.0-maemo1 update?
 

I've sent a message to Etrunko and a new message to Handful (lead people involved in Canola's development and with communicating with about it with the Maemo community) asking them to visit this thread and provide help.

Re: What's with Canola2 2.0.0-maemo1 update?
 

Hey guys,

As you've already heard from Marcelo (Handful), I am actually the only one working on Canola, and it has been done basically during my free time, which has not been much for quite some time.

Before I left for my 30 day vacation, internal projects were demanding more than full work time from myself and other guys. It was quite stressful for the great majority of people and we did deserve the days off. Also, I must add that Internet connection here in Brazil is a big deal in cities I usually stay during the period, visiting my parents and family. So, you might guess that I spent basically all my vacations offline.

With that said, I'll try to keep up with the Canola issues reported here in the forums. But I would like very much to ask to you all to help me to filter the problems. If possible, I would be very glad if you joined the #canola IRC channel on freenode (same network of #maemo). It's definitely the best and quickest way to contact me as I have to check this many other communication channels, such as bugzilla, mailing lists and the forum itself.

So, in summary, I'm reading the full thread in this very moment to trying to distill the issues.

Thank you all for your understanding and patience.

Kind regards, Etrunko

Re: What's with Canola2 2.0.0-maemo1 update?
 

First of all, Canola was not promoted from extras-devel to neither extras testing, nor extras repository for Diablo and Fremantle. It's only available on the extras repository for the ancient and unmaintained Chinook, which runs only on the N800 devices. Anyway, I thought most of you who own one of those had already upgraded to Diablo long time ago. If not, you should do it ASAP. ;)

So basically this is one of the reasons why Canola has not been promoted to the extras repository yet. Application Manager can't handle conflicting packages correctly. There is indeed some lightmediascanner conflicting packages and it was needed so we could follow the upstream debian packages.

One simple solution and something that proves that App Mgr is missing some feature (or it is indeed a bug - still need to check) is to get root on xterm and type:

# apt-get install canola2

It will see the conflicts, but will also see that the new packages replace the old ones and installation will succeed.

Re: What's with Canola2 2.0.0-maemo1 update?
 

Yeah, I'm aware of the problem, it was related to the Canola-Tuning package list of dependencies.

Anyway, I seriously think by now that canola tuning plugin code should be merged back to the main tree. The album cover and video thumbnail feature should be enabled by default, IMHO.

Re: What's with Canola2 2.0.0-maemo1 update?
 

This is another reason why the package has not been promoted to extras repository. The latest EFL build breaks compatibility with previous versions. So we need to adapt the Carman packages to this new version. The same applies to all other packages built on the EFL stack.

Unfortunately, as you may have guessed by now, Carman has the same maintenance problem as Canola. Actually it's a bit worse, as it hasn't got any devs devoting their spare time to it. I will try to get the issue solved at least to get it working. But to be honest, don't expect any other bugs or features implemented for Carman. :(

Re: What's with Canola2 2.0.0-maemo1 update?
 

First, Etrunko, thanks for coming here! I hope you enjoyed your vacation. I think it's great you don't have good internet and can't work while on vacation -- you shouldn't have to!

I don't understand your post about Chinook and Diablo and the repositories. Are you saying that there has never been a Canola release for Diablo and we "shouldn't" be using it on Diablo?

Also, are you aware that the automatic-update feature of Diablo is pushing the Canola update at us? If it's not coming from the Diablo Extras repository, where is it coming from?

Thanks.

Re: What's with Canola2 2.0.0-maemo1 update?
 

It's pretty simple. The Canola2 version 2.0.0 is not available in Diablo extras yet, it's only in extras-devel. Check it out on the links to the repository:

extras-devel

extras

You may notice there is no canola2/ folder in the extras link provided.

Yes, I'm pretty aware of that feature, and I suspect you may have somehow enabled the extras-devel repository. You may check the Application Manager or even the following files:

/etc/apt/sources.list
/etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list

Lines begining with a # are disabled.

Re: What's with Canola2 2.0.0-maemo1 update?
 

In Application Manager, I have Maemo Extras-Devel DISabled. And when I do occasionally enable it, I get all sorts of suggested updates. But I usually have it disabled, and I always have the suggested Canola2 update.

Is it because I have Maemo Chinook enabled? But shouldn't SSU/Canola2 know not to update my Canola2 in Diablo even if Maemo Chinook Repository is enabled?

The other repositories I have enabled are:

Nokia catalog
Nokia catalog (3rd party software)
Nokia System Software Updates
maemo Extras
Browser Extras
FBReader Repository
Maemo Chinook
Mozilla Catalog
Nokia certified
Qole (has the tear browser)
Wardenclyffe
debfarm
maemo Extra Diablo
maemo Extras
tschmidt

Re: What's with Canola2 2.0.0-maemo1 update?
 

Bingo! So you are running Diablo and have the Chinook repository enabled, that's the exact reason you still get the update sign.

I mean, Diablo was meant to replace Chinook in every way. Besides being somehow compatible, many system libraries and binary programs have been replaced by updated version and others might even have been dropped.

In other words, you shouldn't have that Chinook repository enabled in your tablet running Diablo.

The same applies for people running Chinook, who shouldn't have the Diablo repositories enabled.

Re: What's with Canola2 2.0.0-maemo1 update?
 

Thanks for clearing that up.

On the other hand, I believe I successfully use some Chinook apps for which there are no Diablo versions. (In fact, if I'm following what you've written in this thread, it sounds like Canola2 may be one of them.)

Re: What's with Canola2 2.0.0-maemo1 update?
 

any word on when the source will be released so others can help with development and porting to future OSes?

Re: What's with Canola2 2.0.0-maemo1 update?
 

Source has been released since March this year. Check the post on my blog. Code is available on our own installation of gitorious

http://code.openbossa.org

We'll be looking forward for your contributions. :)

Re: What's with Canola2 2.0.0-maemo1 update?
 

About the repositories: Removing "Maemo Chinook" was inadequate -- the SSU still asked me to update Canola2. It kept asking me to until I removed the word "Chinook" from the Distributions line in the catalog called "maemo Extras Diablo."