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Re: whatsapp type application for N900

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Originally Posted by sanros (Post 1043268)

P.S- if anyone knows about whatsapp is it being developed for n900?

I know it isn't being developed. I emailed them last week or so. An automated reply came to me. It said that there are no plans for a Maemo version. I replied once again stating that if an automated response is necessary is because there are quite a few requests for a maemo version. That was supposed to be replied by a human being, but nothing came out.
Sorry dude, nothing coming that way. Do the same as me, and promise paying. Maybe we can convince them...

Re: whatsapp type application for N900

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Originally Posted by keflex (Post 1043645)

It's a criticism I have of all BBM-replacement platforms, in that it doesn't solve the problem of ubiquitous messaging. I am free to voice my concerns much as you are free to voice your support. If you disagree with that, then I will happily suggest that you remove any and all content from your posts that voices your own disdain for Nokia's lack of Korean language support.

lol. What are you on about?

My complaint to Nokia (a multi-billion dollar one of biggest mobile phone company in the world) about lack of Korean support is 100% valid. 50+ million Korean people around the world avoid buying a Nokia phone due to that very reason. I can't even sms any of my family in my own language. How is that same as what you are saying? Tell me.

You were basically telling the LiveProfile dev how it wasn't worth using their app even before it's out. He is trying to make a non-existent app for our beloved N900 that has been excluded by 99.999% of the commercial devs and you are complaining about that? If you don't need that app, why complain to the dev at all? Just don't install it. Simple.

btw, I do agree that it would be awesome to have LiveProfile integrated into N900 Conversations and N9 when it's out. Now that would be awesome. But I'm just saying that even as an app, I'll be more than happy to see it on the N900.

Re: whatsapp type application for N900

@jakiman
Actually LiveProfile requires you to create an account with us. Losing your contacts because you lost your phone, traded it in or simply changed network operator makes absolutely no sense to us.

I will keep everyone posted on when an early version is available.

@keflex
I don't feel it's a strawman argument, at all.

Neglecting to think of why people will use your product (instead of XYZ or none) when creating it means there's something really wrong. The goal is to provide a package that integrates nicely with your phone. I don't feel other services or platforms do it right or they're simply not structured for mobile clients.

I also don't think that 99 out of 100 photos or videos should go on Facebook (or any other public location for that matter) because they may be tied to a very specific event and/or time. Especially when you're using your phone to record the media. LiveProfile is for instant communication, what you're doing or seeing right now.

I do understand that Conversations aggregates all of your contacts and whatever platform they're using. Also consider that I didn't say we would never integrate LiveProfile contacts into Conversations. I merely said that it's a very limited view of what we offer and not the goal that we're trying to achieve. There's more to LiveProfile than 'just another messaging client'.

I do see a future where phone platforms will simply join together many messaging clients into their own. This is also why we're trying to integrate our functionality with the phone as much as possible (address book, SMS receiving / sending) while still offering other features like status updates, profile photos and etc, so that our users do more than just chatting with friends. However, I don't believe many other phone platforms will reach that status in the near future (the N900/Maemo was a first).

So, to answer your question, why should you use LiveProfile?
Because it's the only real-time messenger out there with added social features that is mobile focused and works nicely with your phone. It's the fastest way of talking to someone or sharing media with them and getting feedback, regardless of where they are.

Also, I'm more than happy to accept any criticism you or anyone may have. By all means continue, as long as it doesn't consist of 'your app sucks' or the likes because that's not really helpful to anyone. I don't look away when someone says something bad, I look away when someone says something bad with no justification whatsoever.

Re: whatsapp type application for N900

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Originally Posted by jakiman (Post 1043655)

50+ million Korean people around the world avoid buying a Nokia phone due to that very reason.

Show me the data that proves this.

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Originally Posted by jakiman (Post 1043655)

How is that same as what you are saying? Tell me.

On a conceptual level, they're both criticisms levelled by an individual towards a company. Maybe yours is "100% valid", and that's fine. You haven't invalidated my own, and therefore they are equally valid.

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Originally Posted by jakiman (Post 1043655)

You were basically telling the LiveProfile dev how it wasn't worth using their app even before it's out. He is trying to make a non-existent app for our beloved N900 that has been excluded by 99.999% of the commercial devs and you are complaining about that? If you don't need that app, why complain to the dev at all? Just don't install it. Simple.

If I were to use this logic in my day-to-day life, there would be no reason for me to interject when I see someone on the street being beaten & robbed, or when I walk past a burning building with no fire engine in sight. If something doesn't directly affect me, I should ignore it? No, because that doesn't solve problems. Proprietary messaging platforms are a problem, and I have every right to voice criticisms as I see fit.

Also, you're sidestepping that fact that it isn't worth using LiveProfile in the slightest. To be honest, with carriers pushing infinite SMS/MMS packages further and further down their pricing structures I don't give them much of a shelf life anyway.

Re: whatsapp type application for N900

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Originally Posted by deleet (Post 1043662)

@jakiman
Actually LiveProfile requires you to create an account with us. Losing your contacts because you lost your phone, traded it in or simply changed network operator makes absolutely no sense to us.

I will keep everyone posted on when an early version is available.

@keflex
I don't feel it's a strawman argument, at all.

Neglecting to think of why people will use your product (instead of XYZ or none) when creating it means there's something really wrong. The goal is to provide a package that integrates nicely with your phone. I don't feel other services or platforms do it right or they're simply not structured for mobile clients.

I also don't think that 99 out of 100 photos or videos should go on Facebook (or any other public location for that matter) because they may be tied to a very specific event and/or time. Especially when you're using your phone to record the media. LiveProfile is for instant communication, what you're doing or seeing right now.

I do understand that Conversations aggregates all of your contacts and whatever platform they're using. Also consider that I didn't say we would never integrate LiveProfile contacts into Conversations. I merely said that it's a very limited view of what we offer and not the goal that we're trying to achieve. There's more to LiveProfile than 'just another messaging client'.

I do see a future where phone platforms will simply join together many messaging clients into their own. This is also why we're trying to integrate our functionality with the phone as much as possible (address book, SMS receiving / sending) while still offering other features like status updates, profile photos and etc, so that our users do more than just chatting with friends. However, I don't believe many other phone platforms will reach that status in the near future (the N900/Maemo was a first).

So, to answer your question, why should you use LiveProfile?
Because it's the only real-time messenger out there with added social features that is mobile focused and works nicely with your phone. It's the fastest way of talking to someone or sharing media with them, regardless of where they are.

Also, I'm more than happy to accept any critics you or anyone may have. By all means continue, as long as it doesn't consist of 'your app sucks' or the likes because that's not really helpful to anyone.

Anything more I post would probably just be a re-iteration. At the very least I can tell that you strongly believe in what you do, which is by and large never a bad thing. I guess I'll just chalk it up to an ideological difference regarding software design and leave it there. If at all possible, it may be worth considering offering both a Conversations plugin and a separate app, and using this approach across several operating systems (where applicable). If nothing else, it'd be nice to have data on the topic.

Re: whatsapp type application for N900

come on guys lets agree to disagree, i personally think that liveprofile is a must on all mobile platforms. At least they are thinking of us, the same can't be said for whatsapp, ping chat and even nokia has turned their backs, in case you have'nt heard, we wont even have ovi chat after 1st aug.

Re: whatsapp type application for N900

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Originally Posted by keflex (Post 1043663)

Show me the data that proves this.

On a conceptual level, they're both criticisms levelled by an individual towards a company. Maybe yours is "100% valid", and that's fine. You haven't invalidated my own, and therefore they are equally valid.

Proprietary messaging platforms are a problem, and I have every right to voice criticisms as I see fit.

Also, you're sidestepping that fact that it isn't worth using LiveProfile in the slightest. To be honest, with carriers pushing infinite SMS/MMS packages further and further down their pricing structures I don't give them much of a shelf life anyway.

No data needed really. Obviosuly I stated a "non-verified" number to reinforce my point but still, in Korea, Nokia currently has 3 "old" devices in the market. These models do support Korean but outside that, none do natively for all other models around the world on any of their current OS platforms. Now they stepped out of Japan also. But yeah, at least Microsoft's WP7 will fully support Korean with Mango onwards.

I wasn't trying to invalidate your comment. I was mearly saying that you are targeting the wrong person/dev to point out that criticism about the lack of integrated messaging platforms. He doesn't have the power to change the OS of other platforms unfortunately.

Also, you again say that it's not worth using liveProfile. Then why is every friend I have using WhatsApp on their Android/iPhones and most Koreans using a similar app called kakaotalk worldwide?

I understand what you mean in a technical sense. But this world doesn't revolve around such. It revolves around fame and fortune unfortunately. So everyone is out for themselves making their own stuff. But I have to say your argument about infinite SMS/MMS package is very closed minded. Many people I know around me use $1 or prepaid SIM cards with zero or hardly any free SMS/Calls bundles. (even I have 1) Then they pay $1-10 extra for just data. No way I wanna pay extra for SMS/MMS everytime I send one.

Anyways. My point is, thinking small here, we should welcome and "thank" anything that is made to run on our love-deprived N900 and not argue. :p

Re: whatsapp type application for N900

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Originally Posted by jakiman (Post 1043691)

Also, you again say that it's not worth using liveProfile. Then why is every friend I have using WhatsApp on their Android/iPhones and most Koreans using a similar app called kakaotalk worldwide?

And with that, my point is proven.

Re: whatsapp type application for N900

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Originally Posted by keflex (Post 1043694)

And with that, my point is proven.

It proved nothing. N900/N9 does not have neither so Liveprofile will be worth it. Also, most of them use gtalk, msn, facebook chat, skype etc as well. So yes, it's a bit of a mess. But this cannot be avoided currently in most phones other than N9/N900 unfortunately. Hence I love my N900 and will be loving the N9 once it's out. :D

Re: whatsapp type application for N900

i still dont get why n900/meego/n9 doesnt get whatsapp

its easy just port symbian version.

even n82 have whatsapp.