Re: whatsapp type application for N900
 

No, but Yahoo IM does. You move to "mobile" state, and it converts IMs to SMS to "push" to your phone. It does so by sending to you via a unique phone number, part of which is a unique identifier for yahoo, part based on where the person is in your friends list. It tracks you by caller ID. You can add that to your friends contact as a separate number and it will show their icon as the contact. :)

Handy for places where you don't have data, but still want to IM, as long as you have unlimited SMS. I've used this many times, and it works pretty nice. With a script, you could even find/detect these types of messages on the fly and change them in the database to show up as IM chats later if you prefer, vs SMS from the yahoo IM gateway.

Uh... No?! I don't know what you're doing, but MY contact list isn't being sent to anyone. There's a big difference between a service knowing who you're linked to with them, and having a copy of your contact list. About 10% of my friends use IM, so sure, Yahoo or AIM or what not know of them. None of them have my grandma's number and home address. If an app is sending your contact list to scan for people you may know to link to.... that's VERY different than connecting with a known list of people you've added and connected with on your own.

I concur with the majority on this one: There are dozens of supported free/open chat protocols out there. Paying for or wanting to use one that's closed seems silly. I get that your friends may use BBM because they're locked in on their device. But to reward that by trying to use it too seems counter productive. Tell them to ask BBM for a gateway to another service. If enough people ask for it, they'll probably provide it.

Re: whatsapp type application for N900
 

But guys... i know it stays on all the time and stuff. But where i live i pay 4 dollars a month for an unlimited internet package.On the other hand sending int'l txt msg consumes a lot of my credit. The whatsapp saved me a lot of money since i installed it on my other phone. So i think we should at least have a whatsapp for our N900 ...

Re: whatsapp type application for N900
 

Apparently Liveprofile should be coming soon

Re: whatsapp type application for N900
 

really need wht apps application in n900...missing this apps a lot...

Re: whatsapp type application for N900
 

can someone explain why you would want a messanger 'app' when you have all popular chat services integrated into contacts.

I have not used Whatsapp but it looks just like a messenger app... no ?

Re: whatsapp type application for N900
 

the reason i want is ... my gf is using android phone and she is very much into 'whtapp' and always ask me to be online..but i dun hav and she pretty make fun of n900, i claimed N900 to be the Best cell phone beating iphone and her samsung galazyS...now i feel helpless when she ask for 'whatapp'..:(

Re: whatsapp type application for N900
 

ok so she is using that, but what service is she using, all of the below she can contact you with from contacts

GTalk
Yahoo Chat
Skype
MSN

There are others also but i guess she is on one of these ? if you are too then i dont see the issue...maybe im missing something

Re: whatsapp type application for N900
 

she likes using 'whtapp' more then Gtalk yahoo or anyother..coz all her relatives are online through 'whtapp'....if someone can try and make this app.would be worderful...:)

Re: whatsapp type application for N900
 

Whatsapp appears to use XMPP (Jabber), but on Whatapp's own, closed servers. Were the company to allow access by third-party clients, the N900 would have everything needed already. Or, if Whatsapp were an open source app, it would likely be ported already.

Instead, Whatsapp is a closed app on a closed XMPP network. As such, it's up to the Whatsapp company to write a Maemo 5 client. They've stated they have no intention to do so, so the matter rests.

Complaining and wishing here won't help. Admittedly, complaining and wishing to Whatsapp, Inc. almost certainly won't help either.

Re: whatsapp type application for N900
 

Liveprofile guys, Its whats up, coming soon for symbian and maemo. Its like whatsapp and bbm with twitter and facebook integration.
http://www.liveprofile.com/

Re: whatsapp type application for N900
 

Tell her on your phone, you can be on jabber, yahoo IM, AIM, Skype and Facebook all that *at the same time*. If WhatApp can't cross connect to even ONE other service, then it's the limiter, not your phone.

Sorry, but some apps are very device specific and very closed. If you wanted to use AIM for the first 3 years it was running, it was available for Windows only. I don't see that as Windows being great or other OSes being inferior. I see that as a very lazy developer who wrote an app for one device and didn't feel like porting it.

If you're that concerned about it, setup an OpenFire XMPP server and configure her phone and yours to chat via that. Of download an app for her device that can chat on another free service. Oh, wait... her app would be suspended because she's running Android, so she can't really have two IM apps running at the same time like the N900 can...

Sucks...

Re: whatsapp type application for N900
 

can someone confirm? the interface looks nice.
its BS they dont release maemo5 version when there is a symbian^3

Re: whatsapp type application for N900
 

I think i found the evidence :)

http://getsatisfaction.com/liveprofi...onfirm_me_this


As you can see the employee says: "We are working on it."

Re: whatsapp type application for N900
 

Guys, are there some IMs on N900 with easy image transfer like whatsapp, BBM, or Liveprofile ?

Re: whatsapp type application for N900
 

Presently there are none but live profile should be coming to meego soon check the link:

http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...94#post1023394

Re: whatsapp type application for N900
 

Well if Whatsapp worked properly on NITDroid then it would not be much of a trouble for everyone who wants it on Maemo...

Re: whatsapp type application for N900
 

Hi everyone.

I can confirm that LiveProfile is targeting the Maemo / Meego platform since I'm one of the ones developing it :D

I also own an N900 so it will be properly tested, I assure you.

We're aiming to release both Maemo / Symbian^3 as they're both done in Qt (essentially the same codebase).

Please feel free to post any questions regarding the app and I'll be able to reply accordingly (should I make a thread?).

Thank you!

PS: I just registered but I've been lurking the forums for a long time, I'd like to offer my thanks to the community for the excellent and up to date content.

Re: whatsapp type application for N900
 

@deleet

Only question I have right now is, when will it be released.
As we are an N900 user, we don't mind using alpha/beta stage apps.
Actually we prefer that than to wait a lot longer for the final version. =)

Re: whatsapp type application for N900
 

anxiously waiting for this. bf is on android and we're currently using gtalk but we find it lacking...

Re: whatsapp type application for N900
 

@jakiman

Alphas will be made available as soon as I have login, contacts and chat functional.

I may post some photos of my development versions in the meantime (maybe Monday). I think I'll create a new thread then in order to keep this organized.

Re: whatsapp type application for N900
 

@deleet

I really hope LiveProfile will be available on the MeeGo Harmattan based N9 as well. (as you are writing in Qt, it should be not too difficult right?) You will potentially get millions of users by releasing it on all 3 Nokia platforms! (Maemo5, Symbian^3 and MeeGo Harmattan)

Anyways, we are waiting eagerly for your alpha version. =)
I will even review it on my website (see sig) once it's available.

oh. just re-read your original post and you mention MeeGo. Awesome! :D

Re: whatsapp type application for N900
 

I'd be more interested to see LiveProfile as a Conversations plugin.

Re: whatsapp type application for N900
 

i desperately want whats app on maemo?? when can we get it???plzzzzzzz

Re: whatsapp type application for N900
 

hello Deleet :)
any updates about liveprofile?
i am eagerly waiting to install in my n900

P.S- if anyone knows about whatsapp is it being developed for n900?

Re: whatsapp type application for N900
 

Still working on this. You can see my replies on the other thread, found here:

http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=71083

@keflex
That's not our goal. We're much much more than just a messaging platform.

Re: whatsapp type application for N900
 

While I understand what you're saying, you're also ultimately wrong; LiveProfile is a messaging platform with a couple of extra features. These features are unnecessary, because they are emulated by existing services (Facebook for status updates, the N900 Contacts app for avatars, extra info). As a result LiveProfile is really just an example of feature creep, and adds unnecessary duplication to the N900 UX. Considering that one would have to convince their friends to migrate to this platform before using it, and considering that the platform has no scope outside that of a mobile messaging tool (compare this to something like Facebook Chat, which can be used in mobile & desktop environments), why should I use LiveProfile? As far as I can tell the only reason I would is for Photo/Video sharing, and they're pretty marginal offerings.

Re: whatsapp type application for N900
 

Even though I understand your opinion, I respectfully disagree.

There are (several) alternatives for many of our features but offering them all in a package that's exclusive to mobile clients (this was our choice), much faster and easy to use is still worthwhile.

And then there's all the stuff we haven't announced yet.

Re: whatsapp type application for N900
 

Ease of use and speed are subjective qualities, and so that really invalidates any follow-up I could have; I'd say well-played but essentially all it means is you've covered up a strawman argument. Fact is, you haven't detailed one compelling reason for me to adopt your proprietary messaging platform, and the ones that have been supplied I would argue are insubstantial. By amalgamating several messaging services into one app, Conversations offers much greater usability as it allows me to communicate with ALL of my friends, regardless of their messaging preferences. Again, the only real loss is photo/video sharing, and to be honest 99 times out of 100 it makes more sense to share these items in a public setting, e.g. Facebook. Moreover messaging apps on other platforms do not have this issue, such as webOS.

Looking towards the future, you can see the beginnings forming of all major smartphone platforms adopting platform-agnostic messaging platforms that communicate through their one Messaging app, which will serve as an aggregator. In a future such as this, I will once again pose the question:

Why should I use LiveProfile?

Re: whatsapp type application for N900
 

@keflex
I really need something like LiveProfile on the N900 and N9. Even if it's not a conversations plugin. 99% of my family/friends do not use Nokia. So right now, there is no easy way for me to message them via online chat other than gtalk, skype etc. But those require an account with a new username created and a constant online status.

Whatsapp, Liveprofile etc does not need an account created as such but just need to confirm the mobile . It goes off your contacts within the phone. It provides push sms notifications on new messages so even if you are offline, you can be told that there is a message.

If you personally don't want/need it, why do you have to tell the dev that what they are doing is useless or unnecessary? You are not making things any better for anyone. I'm just thankful that they are even considering the N900 version.

@deleet
Please let us know when a working version is available to test. I will even test it for you and will also put up an article on my blog. =)

Re: whatsapp type application for N900
 

It's a criticism I have of all BBM-replacement platforms, in that it doesn't solve the problem of ubiquitous messaging. I am free to voice my concerns much as you are free to voice your support. If you disagree with that, then I will happily suggest that you remove any and all content from your posts that voices your own disdain for Nokia's lack of Korean language support.

Re: whatsapp type application for N900
 

I know it isn't being developed. I emailed them last week or so. An automated reply came to me. It said that there are no plans for a Maemo version. I replied once again stating that if an automated response is necessary is because there are quite a few requests for a maemo version. That was supposed to be replied by a human being, but nothing came out.
Sorry dude, nothing coming that way. Do the same as me, and promise paying. Maybe we can convince them...

Re: whatsapp type application for N900
 

lol. What are you on about?

My complaint to Nokia (a multi-billion dollar one of biggest mobile phone company in the world) about lack of Korean support is 100% valid. 50+ million Korean people around the world avoid buying a Nokia phone due to that very reason. I can't even sms any of my family in my own language. How is that same as what you are saying? Tell me.

You were basically telling the LiveProfile dev how it wasn't worth using their app even before it's out. He is trying to make a non-existent app for our beloved N900 that has been excluded by 99.999% of the commercial devs and you are complaining about that? If you don't need that app, why complain to the dev at all? Just don't install it. Simple.

btw, I do agree that it would be awesome to have LiveProfile integrated into N900 Conversations and N9 when it's out. Now that would be awesome. But I'm just saying that even as an app, I'll be more than happy to see it on the N900.

Re: whatsapp type application for N900
 

@jakiman
Actually LiveProfile requires you to create an account with us. Losing your contacts because you lost your phone, traded it in or simply changed network operator makes absolutely no sense to us.

I will keep everyone posted on when an early version is available.

@keflex
I don't feel it's a strawman argument, at all.

Neglecting to think of why people will use your product (instead of XYZ or none) when creating it means there's something really wrong. The goal is to provide a package that integrates nicely with your phone. I don't feel other services or platforms do it right or they're simply not structured for mobile clients.

I also don't think that 99 out of 100 photos or videos should go on Facebook (or any other public location for that matter) because they may be tied to a very specific event and/or time. Especially when you're using your phone to record the media. LiveProfile is for instant communication, what you're doing or seeing right now.

I do understand that Conversations aggregates all of your contacts and whatever platform they're using. Also consider that I didn't say we would never integrate LiveProfile contacts into Conversations. I merely said that it's a very limited view of what we offer and not the goal that we're trying to achieve. There's more to LiveProfile than 'just another messaging client'.

I do see a future where phone platforms will simply join together many messaging clients into their own. This is also why we're trying to integrate our functionality with the phone as much as possible (address book, SMS receiving / sending) while still offering other features like status updates, profile photos and etc, so that our users do more than just chatting with friends. However, I don't believe many other phone platforms will reach that status in the near future (the N900/Maemo was a first).

So, to answer your question, why should you use LiveProfile?
Because it's the only real-time messenger out there with added social features that is mobile focused and works nicely with your phone. It's the fastest way of talking to someone or sharing media with them and getting feedback, regardless of where they are.

Also, I'm more than happy to accept any criticism you or anyone may have. By all means continue, as long as it doesn't consist of 'your app sucks' or the likes because that's not really helpful to anyone. I don't look away when someone says something bad, I look away when someone says something bad with no justification whatsoever.

Re: whatsapp type application for N900
 

Show me the data that proves this.

On a conceptual level, they're both criticisms levelled by an individual towards a company. Maybe yours is "100% valid", and that's fine. You haven't invalidated my own, and therefore they are equally valid.

If I were to use this logic in my day-to-day life, there would be no reason for me to interject when I see someone on the street being beaten & robbed, or when I walk past a burning building with no fire engine in sight. If something doesn't directly affect me, I should ignore it? No, because that doesn't solve problems. Proprietary messaging platforms are a problem, and I have every right to voice criticisms as I see fit.

Also, you're sidestepping that fact that it isn't worth using LiveProfile in the slightest. To be honest, with carriers pushing infinite SMS/MMS packages further and further down their pricing structures I don't give them much of a shelf life anyway.

Re: whatsapp type application for N900
 

Anything more I post would probably just be a re-iteration. At the very least I can tell that you strongly believe in what you do, which is by and large never a bad thing. I guess I'll just chalk it up to an ideological difference regarding software design and leave it there. If at all possible, it may be worth considering offering both a Conversations plugin and a separate app, and using this approach across several operating systems (where applicable). If nothing else, it'd be nice to have data on the topic.

Re: whatsapp type application for N900
 

come on guys lets agree to disagree, i personally think that liveprofile is a must on all mobile platforms. At least they are thinking of us, the same can't be said for whatsapp, ping chat and even nokia has turned their backs, in case you have'nt heard, we wont even have ovi chat after 1st aug.

Re: whatsapp type application for N900
 

No data needed really. Obviosuly I stated a "non-verified" number to reinforce my point but still, in Korea, Nokia currently has 3 "old" devices in the market. These models do support Korean but outside that, none do natively for all other models around the world on any of their current OS platforms. Now they stepped out of Japan also. But yeah, at least Microsoft's WP7 will fully support Korean with Mango onwards.

I wasn't trying to invalidate your comment. I was mearly saying that you are targeting the wrong person/dev to point out that criticism about the lack of integrated messaging platforms. He doesn't have the power to change the OS of other platforms unfortunately.

Also, you again say that it's not worth using liveProfile. Then why is every friend I have using WhatsApp on their Android/iPhones and most Koreans using a similar app called kakaotalk worldwide?

I understand what you mean in a technical sense. But this world doesn't revolve around such. It revolves around fame and fortune unfortunately. So everyone is out for themselves making their own stuff. But I have to say your argument about infinite SMS/MMS package is very closed minded. Many people I know around me use $1 or prepaid SIM cards with zero or hardly any free SMS/Calls bundles. (even I have 1) Then they pay $1-10 extra for just data. No way I wanna pay extra for SMS/MMS everytime I send one.

Anyways. My point is, thinking small here, we should welcome and "thank" anything that is made to run on our love-deprived N900 and not argue. :p

Re: whatsapp type application for N900
 

And with that, my point is proven.

Re: whatsapp type application for N900
 

It proved nothing. N900/N9 does not have neither so Liveprofile will be worth it. Also, most of them use gtalk, msn, facebook chat, skype etc as well. So yes, it's a bit of a mess. But this cannot be avoided currently in most phones other than N9/N900 unfortunately. Hence I love my N900 and will be loving the N9 once it's out. :D

Re: whatsapp type application for N900
 

i still dont get why n900/meego/n9 doesnt get whatsapp

its easy just port symbian version.

even n82 have whatsapp.