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It's odd that our angry chinese poster (i guess it's kinda obvious, right?) turned against one of the devices with most promise in this field. First, adding interface text is pretty easy, just look at the desktop distros of linux, where you can easily select swahili if you must. Since maemo does support localization in some languages, i see no reason why other language packs (including chinese) shouldn't be easy to install.
Now, input is a very different thing. I know little about asian languages, but i'm quite sure lots of them use hundreds (even thousands) of symbols. Now putting them all on a keyboard would be a pain. On screen keyboard would also be pretty difficult. Sign recognition would be obvious. That works how on iphone? At least the n900 has the technical ability to do this, only some software needed.

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I don't think it's odd at all. If it's one of the devices with most promise - and I think it might just be - and it's still not quite good enough, then I understand the frustration.

I have experienced the same frustration when the best mobile internet browser at the time was not at all good. Well, some things only time (and software improvements) can heal.

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Sorry mytypo: using the tablet to respond. I meant Kanji based languages. Primary input is written on the tablet so whilst context is different input methods are the same basis. Thanks for the query though!

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ok ,sun of beach ;) !
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi..._sun_beach.jpg

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Nokia currently offers products in over 180 different languages in 150 different countries.

Maemo is Nokia's youngest platform and lets not forget the whole step 4 out of 5 thingy. I'm pretty sure that we'll see vastly wider localization support once the platform matures.

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how do you know that!?

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BBC is always to report the stituation of China in bias. Can you approve all 100% British believe BBS reports first?

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Kanji is Japanese stuff not Chinese, If you dont know it, please be quite, thx.

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He doesn't know it. Usual american ignorance about world outside the 50 states. 117 million mobile internet users in China, or was at the begining of 2009. God knows how many million more users since then.

http://www.erwinvanlun.com/ww/full/m...net_use_china/

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Originaly Kanji have also been used in China. Japan as a feudal state of China took over the chinese characters.
Today China has reformed their way of writting the characters.

Japan and Taiwan using the old way of writting them. And they call it Kanji. (Only Japanese people)

Hope what I've written is correct, but I remember something like that heared in university.


Edit: And... is it that easy to launch a device in a country censoring the internet and offering services for mobile communication over internet and instant messaging?
Don't really know what the Chinese government is doing with this matter.

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First of all I have to clearly say, I am Chinese, and please be quite to talk about Chinese things, cultures, and customer, if you are not Chinese nor you are not living in China nor you are even dont know how to write, read and speaking Chinese.

I post this is for talk about tech way of the N900 product, which can make more money from different region market via to support multi-language and regions for the final release. but if this product cannot do that, or you (programmers?) have no the ability to do that, please do not talk like a girls.

This is a tech forum, I really dont know why so many people talk so much silly and bias idea about another country. If my speak is really hurt you weak heart, I have to say sorry because you are so pathetic.

You guys is always to try to attact me or my country, however, I cannot see any professional idea coming out to help people to focus on the problem in the future improvement development.

Please remember, N900 is a product, which Nokia is try to get back the lost market from Iphone, Gphone and other, it is not a toy at all.

Finally, i have to say i am not going to continue to reply this thread at all, it is kind of waste my time.

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So Nokia is a finnish company and does right not to sale the phone in China?
Guess there's no problem anymore.

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A lot of you foreigners speak about American ignorance, but the funny thing is, during my years in Russia I found just as many ignorant people there! And when I was in Spain, the owner of the store across the street in Barcelona thought that Russia was part of the European Common Market!

Despite the hype, America does not have a monopoly on ignorance!

Besides, lots of Americans were born in foreign countries!

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I hope you're being sarcastic.

To all: let's try to avoid the juvenile stuff, guys.

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Yes, well, i would imagine many americans think spain is somewhere near russia, if not somehow a part of it
But i'll give you that, americans are far from the only ignorants in the world

EDIT: i forgot to say how much i love english as spoken by the chinese. I think the term 'engrish' was especially created for this. Now a random internet user is one thing, but you should see the labels on chinese-made products!

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I don't care what the hell the N900 is. I care about what it does.

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Qgil (who works for nokia) tried to point you to this thread. it contains several good suggestions on how to accomplish what you were asking.

so please omit your insults (girls, pathetic, etc), and do some research.

btw, no one attacked your country. that's just your paranoia.

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Just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean you're not attacking my coun-... oh, wait a minute, that's your country. ;)

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The information is fairly easily available to check either ways. Maybe some source citations?

As mentioned previously though the N900 is not supposed to be a mass market device anyhow. The next device is supposed to be the first main release. There has been talk about handwriting recognition for other languages too. Suspect a lot of these issues are further down the line for development.

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You're not getting any sympathy writing like that. Are you trying to get some actual help for your cause or do you just enjoy whining? If the former is true, then being polite might be a good start.

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Directly from wikipedia, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kanji:
Kanji (help·info) (漢字?) are the Chinese characters that are used in the modern Japanese logographic writing system along with hiragana (ひらがな, 平仮名), katakana (カタカナ, 片仮名), Arabic numerals, and the occasional use of the Latin alphabet (also known as Rōmaji). The Japanese term kanji (漢字) literally means "Han characters".

"Han ren" is CHINA MAN

"If you dont know it, please be quite" NOT TRUE either, half bottle makes most noise, see the number of postings I posted? :eek:

bun

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A lot of people in China and Japan who use computers are able to read and write English...

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Well.... I do give you the credit that you know some chinese, but not enough (dont get mad, this is a very high regards for a non-chinese :) ).

Again, direct quote from wikipedia, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_language
"The standardized form of spoken Chinese is Standard Mandarin (Putonghua / Guoyu / Huayu)"

Mandarin is Chinese language according to china government. So, in an official correspondence, speaking chinese would imply speaking in Mandarin.

I post, sometimes I want to argue, but mostly, I hate to see spread MIS-information.

I do give you credit that you know there is mandarin and cantonese. I was in the job market several years back, and was shock to realize that, in Hongkong, 99 % chinese speaks cantonese, fails to speak mandarin fluently is an obstacle for promotion or stay in post! Yes, fluently, in other words, those half a&& mandarin or so-call "Cantonese mandarin" is NOT good enough. This is to stress that Mandarin is chinese official language and how much effort china government is putting in to clamp down language other than mandarin.

"Saying someone speaks chinese...", in official terms translate into "Saying someone speaks mandarin..."

bun

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man, we don't have any interest to "attack" you or your country

the thing is your attitude from your first post do not encourage discussion for problem solving, instead its looks like you're blaming and bashing the device and nokia because they don't put Chinese language on the device.

nokia want to sell this device to US and Europe mainly, then to the rest of the world. Until today i believe English is still the world common language in those countries and the world overall, I'm not considering how many people actually speaking the language because i know china's population is huge

the thing is you ask something that is not being done at the moment, however if you look at the way N900 virtual keyboard can be changed to Arab language to accommodate people from e.g Dubai to communicate with their native language, from this example rather than trying to blame the manufacturer you can try to create the layout example of keyboard for Chinese words and attract some people (who can create the application for you and all other people who needs it) to create it which may resolve your problem and other people's problem.

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No.

If you worked in Hong Kong, failure to speak Cantonese would be a big obstacle for promotion. You would have a lot of difficulty if you don't speak Cantonese.

It is as simple as this:

Mandarin is the dominant language in some regions, and you must be fluent in Mandarin to do well in those regions.

Cantonese is the dominant language in some regions, and you must be fluent in Cantonese to do well in those regions.

In fact, Mandarin and Cantonese are not the only languages spoken by many people in China. There are other spoken languages in other regions.

The only thing which makes Mandarin different is that the region where it is dominant is larger than all the other regions, and that it's the official govevernment language.

Of course, in places where the dominant spoken language is not Mandarin, government officials speak the local language too otherwise they could not do their work.

You talk of "clamping down on language other Mandarin" like that is a good thing.

Human languages don't work that way, and trying to force it is not kind. Take a look at history and geography of languages around the world! Lots of countries have multiple languages. And lots of languages have multiple countries.

Cantonese is the native language of Hong Kong people. It is not new, it has been like that for a long time. They are as clever as you, they have just as good lives, they just speak a different language in that region.

You want them to speak Mandarin, even though it is not their native, local language? Even though millions of them speak Cantonese fluently and prefer it?

And then you complain when you think people are forcing you to use English or other European languages! It is the same thing!

Don't you recognise the hypocrisy and irony (contradiction) of your words?

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When designing a phone for millions of Chinese people to use, it's really not useful to design it only for Mandarin speakers! No matter what the official government policy is.

The purpose of these things is to be useful to real people.

Not to satisfy an official policy.

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Regardless, I still think it's an internet tablet. Language has nothing to do with it functioning as such.

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.....be quite what?

Dammit, bun, you're just not quite enough............................

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Did you seriously not see it was a spelling mistake?

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Right back at you 'buddy'.

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Who you callin buddy, guy?

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http://cache.gizmodo.com/assets/imag...Settlement.jpg

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You are missing the point, completely!!!!!

I am pointing out a fact, which even people live in HK may not be aware, that some HK government post requires "the speaking of mandarin fluently in order to keep the post or be promoted", despite the fact that Cantonese is the majority spoken language. No, the job has nothing to do with public speaking, but the requirement is appended as a job requirement. Go figure.

If you, yes you, read something you think is NOT right, read it the second time and, do your homework before opening your mouth.:mad:

BTW, if you do not speak cantonese in HK, you may have problem in functioning as most HK resident speaks cantonese. However, that was NOT included as a job requirement. Hint, hint, hint..... more change in the last 10 years in HK's political climate, go do your fact findings before spreading MIS-information: Today, HK school kids salute to a rising China flag AND sing the national anthem before school starts every morning. There is nothing wrong with salute to a China flag as HK is part of china. I am pointing it out that this is a CHANGE. I personally think it is the right thing to do, to prepare the next generation to be proChina. BTW, I read HK newspaper on my N8x0 EVERY NIGHT before I fall into sleep. EVERY NIGHT.....I am still watching the job market in HK, China.......Some day I will post from HK, China. Someday......


bun

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Just some douche who thought he was funny about a spelling mistake by someone who might not even have English as his first language. That's who.

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Would you, on the topic of facts and truth, have a non-wikipedia (never trust that site) link supporting that?

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Ah yes, the standard reply from a person who got called out/caught being a douche: laugh, as there really is no way to defend yourself.

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Can a mod do something about the douche tag... it's highly inappropriate .

(people shouldn't be so hard on him, he's still learning how to talk to grown-ups........)

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Thanks mod.

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BTW, for anyone that doesn't know, mods can see who made what tag.

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BTW, it is extremely easy to see chinese and Japanese on your tablet. you do not have to do anything at all, nor install any program. And you may NOT need to know chinese or japanese to do this either, anything blue, click on it, it is a link. Just watch the picture and guess the meaning.....eventually you may like it so much and pick up a language, you never know.

Clank up your web browser, go google.com>news and scroll to the very bottom, there are links like, RSS, Other News Editors, About Google News....., click the Other News Editors. That would open up the page ...How it works: Languages and regions, scroll down half way, you see (China), (Hong Kong)...(Japan)..... Click on either one of them, you see Chinese (or Japanese)! Or if you are reading this from your tablet, click Hong Kong! The blues are URL links, and greens are local media eg TV, newspaper, journals or magazine. It is really fun. Promise, you do NOT have to know chinese or japanese, as the news are all with pictures.....

Be patient, google.com>news takes some time to load..... and you may have to free up some space for it

It works for web browsers, web, Digia@Web, Tear and Mildori.

Enjoy,

bun

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Ok, I have no idea what this thread is about, it seems to be a lot of people being angry at each other about things that have nothing to do with "N900 is not a Internet Tablet," but that picture is so insulting to me as a Canadian that this means

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Pfft all of Canada should attack the States (non-violently) on the stupid ACTA treaty. As well as the rest of the world.

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为什么你如此的生气？

"Why are you so angry?"

I cheated... had my Chinese friend translate that for me. No machines were used other than to post it.