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marcinw 2009-11-09 22:27
Re: Why should I believe Nokia ? Why should I work for Nokia for free ? ... again
 
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Originally Posted by livefreeordie (Post 370353)
So your whole argument is basically that 10 years ago Nokia didn't support Linux and all the work they've done in between doesn't count because Maemo isn't feature complete?
1. not 10 years ago, but during 10 years

2. Maemo is not 100% seriously treated

You don't have to agree with my opinion.

livefreeordie 2009-11-09 22:29
Re: Why should I believe Nokia ? Why should I work for Nokia for free ? ... again
 
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Originally Posted by marcinw (Post 370352)
nobody said about full opening. but when I compare all of them (Apple/WM/Androing/Maemo), Android seems to be the best.
Android is for people who hate Microsoft. Maemo is for people who love Unix. Hate leads to the dark side of the force.

livefreeordie 2009-11-09 22:34
Re: Why should I believe Nokia ? Why should I work for Nokia for free ? ... again
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by marcinw (Post 370355)
2. Maemo is not 100% seriously treated
And your argument for that was that it isn't feature complete.

If you seriously expect Nokia to give advance information about features like MMS support, just look what happened when they announced they'd ship in October and we're now 10 days into a delay.

Personally, I'd just keep quiet and release MMS support when it's done.

benny1967 2009-11-09 22:41
Re: Why should I believe Nokia ? Why should I work for Nokia for free ? ... again
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by marcinw (Post 370352)
nobody said about full opening. but when I compare all of them (Apple/WM/Androing/Maemo), Android seems to be the best.
That's absurd. Androids licensing allows handset makers to deliver a completely closed, proprietary operating system with no open sources at all (except for the Linux kernel). You call that open?

So by your definition, closed source, proprietary software is open, and open software is not if the jobs that come with it are in Finland. Is that it now? Can we move on to another "N900 will ship on Nov 12th"-thread?

marcinw 2009-11-09 22:53
Re: Why should I believe Nokia ? Why should I work for Nokia for free ? ... again
 
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Originally Posted by benny1967 (Post 370366)
That's absurd. Androids licensing allows handset makers to deliver a completely closed, proprietary operating system with no open sources at all (except for the Linux kernel). You call that open?
Manufacturer X can close his version, but manufacturer Y will not do it (things went too far). Nokia can also say, that they will never publish many things.

One more example - Currently you can prepare with Android application sending SMS, with Maemo 5 I have problems with finding API. And please don't say, that this is because Maemo 5 is not feature complete.

zerojay 2009-11-09 23:09
Re: Why should I believe Nokia ? Why should I work for Nokia for free ? ... again
 
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Originally Posted by marcinw (Post 370176)
yes, there is not real community here like in some other Open Source projects at least in this moment.

It was interesting for me, if "zerojay" made some projects and what was/is their ranking. I wanted to estimate, what is his effort. I didn't say, that community means just programmers.
If you want to judge me using numbers, go ahead: http://maemo.org/profile/view/zerojay/

Compared to the rest of the community: http://maemo.org/profile/list/

And those numbers were after I had about 6 months or more away from the community... but I'm sure you're just going to call karma numbers ******** anyways. I'm one of the most well-known community members here and have helped to push different ideas and projects forward.

So you wanted to question my effort in the community... now it's time for you to tell us what you've done in this community.

danramos 2009-11-09 23:11
Re: Why should I believe Nokia ? Why should I work for Nokia for free ? ... again
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by zerojay (Post 370381)
If you want to judge me using numbers, go ahead: http://maemo.org/profile/view/zerojay/

Compared to the rest of the community: http://maemo.org/profile/list/

And those numbers were after I had about 6 months or more away from the community... but I'm sure you're just going to call karma numbers ******** anyways. I'm one of the most well-known community members here and have helped to push different ideas and projects forward.

So you wanted to question my effort in the community... now it's time for you to tell us what you've done in this community.
Whoo! Now the gloves are off and the metrics are OUT!

Sorry, but I have to react...
"YYYYYEAAAAH!! You tell 'em!" :P

Why does this thread feel more like a schoolyard brawl?

zerojay 2009-11-09 23:14
Re: Why should I believe Nokia ? Why should I work for Nokia for free ? ... again
 
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Originally Posted by danramos (Post 370384)
Whoo! Now the gloves are off and the metrics are OUT!

Sorry, but I have to react...
"YYYYYEAAAAH!! You tell 'em!" :P

Why does this thread feel more like a schoolyard brawl?
It's all so stupid, really. Clearly he's a "the sky is red" kind of person that just likes to get people annoyed for the hell of it.

danramos 2009-11-09 23:16
Re: Why should I believe Nokia ? Why should I work for Nokia for free ? ... again
 
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Originally Posted by zerojay (Post 370390)
It's all so stupid, really. Clearly he's a "the sky is red" kind of person that just likes to get people annoyed for the hell of it.
No kidding! What a jerk. That's MY job. :D

srk052004 2009-11-10 02:55
Re: Why should I believe Nokia ? Why should I work for Nokia for free ? ... again
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by marcinw (Post 370355)
1. not 10 years ago, but during 10 years

2. Maemo is not 100% seriously treated

You don't have to agree with my opinion.
This is so obvious to anyone who doesn't spend his whole life in Linuxland that is amazing to see all this drama from your detractors. In fact, I think you effectively nail this. Maemo is not taken seriously by Nokia. If it were, for example, the various applications that worked on Maemo 4 would already have been ported to Maemo 5. It looks to me that Nokia is just using people as Guinea pigs, and it figures that calling itself Open Source is a way of getting lots of Linux geeks to spend their time.

If Nokia took the N900 seriously, it would also offer tech support from people who could speak English. But that's a different topic.


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