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Dancairo 2010-01-14 11:36

Re: Unfortunately the wait was not worth it in my view
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Cernunnos (Post 470384)

Besides, this is not a device for the average user, and Nokia has never claimed that either. It's a device for people who like to tinker, play around, find solutions.

Or anyone with slightly more that half a brain....

"Basics such as a search facility when entering contacts for a phone call are missing"

ossipena 2010-01-14 11:40

Re: Unfortunately the wait was not worth it in my view
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by taeto (Post 470352)
Mail set up good however I am amazed the unit supports Exchange 2007 and not 2003. This is really a very curious omission for a device that is going to be attractive to the corporate market. Why!!!!!

sorry, already fixed in newest fw update.

Cernunnos 2010-01-14 11:47

Re: Unfortunately the wait was not worth it in my view
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dancairo (Post 470416)
Or anyone with slightly more that half a brain....

"Basics such as a search facility when entering contacts for a phone call are missing"

^ Nice one!

redi 2010-01-14 11:48

Re: Unfortunately the wait was not worth it in my view
 
Nine whole days of faulty device use, not even bothering to read documentation to find out how to use your phone. I find no troubles syncing my phone, MfE works up to my expectations and so does most parts of the phones. Only things I dislike are the bad framerate on sliding menus etc., lack of size of rootfs and occasional slowness in opening apps. Seems to me like you were not worthy of the phone in the first place :)

bald.eagle.one 2010-01-14 11:50

Re: Unfortunately the wait was not worth it in my view
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by spanner (Post 470406)
I did my research, bought it, tried not to be disappointed by the limitations which I -knew- were present, and am still mostly blown away.

+1

now just waiting for update to arrive in uk

bonerp 2010-01-14 11:52

Re: Unfortunately the wait was not worth it in my view
 
just delete this thread or ignore it. These ongoing 'i prefer my pod' / 'n900 is crap' are boring.

This phone easily kills the iPod so just ignore these sorts. Theres nothing constructive in the post. In a community as big as this it will lost lost in the depths with an hour or so lol

redi 2010-01-14 11:54

Re: Unfortunately the wait was not worth it in my view
 
Actually there is no mediaplayer on the device that comes even close to iPod. ^^

/offtopic

bonerp 2010-01-14 12:02

Re: Unfortunately the wait was not worth it in my view
 
yet - but at least I can play flash :)

geneven 2010-01-14 12:04

Re: Unfortunately the wait was not worth it in my view
 
The N900 is a baby with super-powers. It hasn't learned to use all of them yet, but it is learning fast..

Hexagoon 2010-01-14 12:06

Re: Unfortunately the wait was not worth it in my view
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by geneven (Post 470489)
The N900 is a baby with super-powers. It hasn't learned to use all of them yet, but it is learning fast..

Post of the day nominee :)

sph 2010-01-14 12:06

Re: Unfortunately the wait was not worth it in my view
 
Pretty much sure, we won't hear from taeto anymore, that's typical for such kind of posts.

daemonfin 2010-01-14 12:07

Re: Unfortunately the wait was not worth it in my view
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by geneven (Post 470489)
The N900 is a baby with super-powers. It hasn't learned to use all of them yet, but it is learning fast..

I like that! :P

Cernunnos 2010-01-14 12:12

Re: Unfortunately the wait was not worth it in my view
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by geneven (Post 470489)
The N900 is a baby with super-powers. It hasn't learned to use all of them yet, but it is learning fast..

*Signature worthy*

Alex Atkin UK 2010-01-14 13:23

Re: Unfortunately the wait was not worth it in my view
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bald.eagle.one (Post 470448)
+1

now just waiting for update to arrive in uk

Showed up about 10 minutes ago for me, updating now (very slowly, but then its 90MB of tweaking going on).

As for the media player on N900 being nothing close to the iPod, I thought that too at first. But once you get used to it, the benefit of being able to just dump music on it and the fact its 1000 times better sound quality than my iPod touch, outweighs the inferior media player UI.

At the end of the day what do you prefer from a media player, a kick *** UI and poor sound quality, or a mediocre UI and kick *** sound quality? I know which I would choose.

That said, I still love my iPod for the games. After finally installing Solitaire Touch I am hugely disappointed, its aweful compared to Solitaire City on my iPod. I hope the lack of DRM does not discourage developers too much. Besides, I jailbroke and installed Solitaire City "for free" and THEN bought it on iTunes when I realised I was playing it a lot. So DRM is not the be all and end all. I just wish developers/publishers would realise that many of us try to obtain a game for free first so we can see if we will play it enough to warrant a purchase.

I did the same with Oblivion and Test Drive Unlimited, downloaded on PC first then bought on Xbox when I knew I liked them. Demos are not always enough of a game to see if you will play it or not, and rental is a ripoff and might as well be piracy anyway, as the publisher gets the same amount of money out of it. Okay, I will stop my "piracy is a good thing for developers" debate now before I drag the thread off-topic.

Gorgon 2010-01-14 16:55

Re: Unfortunately the wait was not worth it in my view
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by taeto (Post 470352)
Mail set up good however I am amazed the unit supports Exchange 2007 and not 2003. This is really a very curious omission for a device that is going to be attractive to the corporate market. Why!!!!!

Despite the support for Exchange and the fact that 2003 support was added today with update, there's no way this device would be attractive to the corporate market in any way. Where do people come up with this stuff?

Texrat 2010-01-14 17:03

Re: Unfortunately the wait was not worth it in my view
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Gorgon (Post 471332)
Despite the support for Exchange and the fact that 2003 support was added today with update, there's no way this device would be attractive to the corporate market in any way. Where do people come up with this stuff?

Why not?

I used mine in a corporate setting.

TomJ 2010-01-14 17:11

Re: Unfortunately the wait was not worth it in my view
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by geneven (Post 470489)
The N900 is a baby with super-powers. It hasn't learned to use all of them yet, but it is learning fast..

Hmmm, so

http://www.letsgodigital.org/images/...-n900-test.jpg== http://homeschoolcommunity.files.wor...ncredibles.jpg

Gorgon 2010-01-14 17:47

Re: Unfortunately the wait was not worth it in my view
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Texrat (Post 471358)
Why not?

I used mine in a corporate setting.

Having it be attractive to an end user to use as a corporate device without support is one thing. I would be in the same shoes as you but I would need to provide my own support for this device as I do with all my unsupported devices. However, corporate IT departments are not going to supply these to their workforce en masse.

MontyBravo 2010-01-15 12:21

My nokia n900 first impressions
 
Hi all,

Had the phone about 24 hours now so thought I would post my comments, I started comming from a bad experience with an HD2 and being a bit warey due to there not being many apps and the new os.

Wow am I impressed, Once you get used to the ui it quick and easy to use! here are some points

+ Installed the msn extra devs plugin, works great (not going to play with anything else from there however!)

+ skype , bloody awesome intergration love it. I know this is nothing new on other phones but it works great!

+ email , basic but thats fine , it lets me view, action and reply emails on the move, if I want to do real work ill get a laptop out!

+ the browser , wow full facebook in the browser, most of my custom web apps working with no dramas, love it! why do i need a twitter / facebook client when I can just go on the full site!

+ If you think this thing can not be used as a phone I would suggest you a bit odd. Great call reception, easy to use phone book , easy to answer with the touch screen. Allready I am not looking and just hitting answer or end.

+ the user interface is not that "sexy" but to be honest thats fine. I am so happy to have a Nokia built device again which feels great and does the basics very well.

Overall I am very very impressed and most of my worries have finished. The only thing I would like is a google maps application.

Personally I think within 12 months the next version of this OS is going to be very exiting!

This post is prob a bit boring to most but though a user first impressions might be usefull to some who have not yet taken the plunge.


I would summarise by stating yes there are features missing, most of which you will never use anyway. Unless you a phone nutter and are speed and voice dialling ever moment of every day, this is fine as a phone as well as a internet device.
cheers,

MB

thegnarlypanda 2010-01-15 12:52

Re: My nokia n900 first impressions
 
I hate reading posts like this, it just makes me want the device even more.

I've promised myself that I'm not buying anymore phones until my contract runs out.

How are you finding the battery life?

MontyBravo 2010-01-15 12:58

Re: My nokia n900 first impressions
 
yeah not bad but only had the device 24 hours, I am hammering it at the moment lots of messaging calls web and email , I suspect it will last a day on heavy usage.

MB

thegnarlypanda 2010-01-15 16:03

Re: My nokia n900 first impressions
 
My only worry about it is the battery life. I currently have an iPhone 3gs and that can last me about a day and half with just texting and a tiny bit of web browsing, get a little bit carried away though and the battery barely lasts a day. I jailbroke it and just watched the battery drain in a couple of hours (without use as well).

I expect the N900 has a similar battery life too.

sjgadsby 2010-01-15 16:08

Re: N900: The First Impressions Thread
 
The thread "My nokia n900 first impressions" with four posts has been merged into this thread.

MontyBravo 2010-01-15 16:10

Re: N900: The First Impressions Thread
 
well put it this was. i am on about half after 6 hours of hammering the phone. which i am quite happy with. i am even writing this post on the phone lol

mb

Icee 2010-01-15 17:38

Re: N900: The First Impressions Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Spenc3 (Post 469349)
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FM Transmitter - This is a well known issue, I think we can almost dismiss this feature altogether. I was really excited that I got it working like the UI developer demo on youtube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n99S8iMYKRY) The catch here is that it only works the way the UI developer had shown, which is place on the speedometer, when car is idle. It doesn't even get the channel once I start my engine!

Just a tip, download the fm booster you find in devel, just a script that sets the FM Transmitter to max, due to laws around the world it's strength depends on where you live.

MontyBravo 2010-01-15 18:54

Re: N900: The First Impressions Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Icee (Post 474514)
Just a tip, download the fm booster you find in devel, just a script that sets the FM Transmitter to max, due to laws around the world it's strength depends on where you live.

A good tip! mine is good for 5-8 meters as a standard setup (uk)

MB

Sheon 2010-01-16 01:28

Re: N900: The First Impressions Thread
 
so far i love this phone

lots of space sexy as hell awesome sound quality

im comming from iphone so the real keyboard is taking me a lot to get used to

the phone is confusing as hell but im learning it

i hate the placement of the headphone port i cant hold the phone and type easy with the headphones plugged in -_-

i love all the apps it has and that its linux based

i just got it today so maybe after a month ill learn it more better

Mas Termind 2010-01-19 06:34

Re: N900 Owners Thread (First impressions, ...)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ymb (Post 420644)
Try http://touch.facebook.com it was designed for touch devices apparently.

thanks for that never knew it existed only problem with this is you cant chat on this like you can on the iphone app, its good to comment on posts etc much faster than the full site on N900.

taeto 2010-01-19 16:23

Re: Unfortunately the wait was not worth it in my view
 
Take your point however it is clear that the platform, or at least this firmware version was not stable. Perception is built on first impressions. Sad but true.

taeto 2010-01-19 16:26

Re: Unfortunately the wait was not worth it in my view
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hexagoon (Post 470372)
You say you have over 2000 contacts... Firstly - why? Secondly - can ANY phone handle that in a reasonable way?

Because my job involves knowing a wide range of technologists

houz 2010-01-19 16:29

Re: Unfortunately the wait was not worth it in my view
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by NvyUs (Post 470358)
orange box is back with a new user name.
too many coincidences in the writing style



HAHAHA I was thinking the same thing!

Texrat 2010-01-19 16:30

Re: Unfortunately the wait was not worth it in my view
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Gorgon (Post 471502)
Having it be attractive to an end user to use as a corporate device without support is one thing. I would be in the same shoes as you but I would need to provide my own support for this device as I do with all my unsupported devices. However, corporate IT departments are not going to supply these to their workforce en masse.

But I still don't see that as a limitation of the N900. And I don't mind being my own support person... ;)

sjgadsby 2010-01-19 16:36

Re: N900: The First Impressions Thread
 
The thread "Unfortunately the wait was not worth it in my view" with thirty posts has been merged into this thread.

colnago 2010-01-19 16:46

Re: Unfortunately the wait was not worth it in my view
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by taeto (Post 482217)
Take your point however it is clear that the platform, or at least this firmware version was not stable. Perception is built on first impressions. Sad but true.

I had no OS/software issues with either of the (2) 900s I've had. If Exchange/email experience was poor, I suggest you not trying the Droid/Milestone, if "first impression" is your primary metric. The 900's native email client's are flawless compaired to its Android competitor, with most everyone opting for a 3rd party offerings, for both Exchange and POP3 support.

If its your job to know a wide range of technologies, then the RMA process, and researching alternate venues of support, should be commonplace, as many, if not all of your concerns/complaints have been addressed, or a "non-issue" for many 900 owners.

fallingleaf 2010-01-20 02:06

Re: N900: The First Impressions Thread
 
I know i posted this in the 'hello' thread - but probably more pertinent here....

I have only had the phone for one day, but like most here have been doing a lot of research prior to getting my grubby little fingers on it! I am in New Zealand so Nokia have not released it for local sale – I purchased from a parallel importer. While a little more expensive than importing from say Amazon, at least I now have a one year warranty (peace of mind).

Mine is a MENA region one (from Africa/middle east), so on startup the ‘New Zealand’ region was not there which seemed strange – but it does not appear to really matter as I have the correct time zone dialled in anyway! I did a full OTA update once I got it from 42.11 to 44.1 to the newest 51 software without any hitch whatsoever and its running perfectly.

I am not a ‘power user’ at all – I am frugal with my data, so out and about I really just use it as a phone and only use an active data connection if needs must (update my feeds for some news, check email, check facebook or upload a pic to there). Although at the moment I am trying the 'constant active connection' thing to get emails and RSS feeds, in conjunction with the data plan monitor! seems to be working ok although yes, the battery is taking a hit. I wish it would automatically connect/disconnect to the net on its own accord like the n95 did though...I always think a constant active connection uses data - having said that with the monitor I can see that it doesn't - if you have your apps 'autoupdate' features set accordingly :)

However, I am only on my 2nd battery cycle and it seems pretty good. I am sure it will improve as batteries do after a few charge/discharges. I haven’t had a problem with the charging plugs but I just make sure I am careful. They seem to be ‘just right’ pressure wise.

Overall it has exceeded my expectations. I can see this really is a powerful device and it performs flawlessly for me. Sure there are a few niggles (headphone jack gets in the way using the keyboard if you have phones plugged in is my main one, and I cannot delete emails in my hotmail account from the phone - even when that 'delete from server' tag is checked) but in general it does everything I need it to do well. I am sure I will find a few problems down the track, and sure it’s a bit of a brick – but worth it. I would like to see OVI desktop support for my PC as I really like that…I am coming from an n95 haha! So this is SUCH a step up.

Other minor gripes would be lack on GPS (not aGPS) functionality, music album artwork seems to populate in the image gallery as well which is a pain, and lack of integration with a sim card (does not show up with the vodafone sim icon like the n95 used to. This was good for acessing account balances etc - but a minor inconvenince only.

I can see this device might actually have an impact on my lifestyle in terms of keeping in contact with people and online interfacing – it makes it so easy and a real pleasure. For example, last night I was doing some internet banking, updating facebook, reading the news and having a game of chess while listening to music through the headphones – AND installing a few apps at the same time! I also uploaded a few movies too which look great. Oh and pixel pipe is GREAT!

SO all in all, really happy and think it was worth it.

nicorumiz 2010-01-20 02:22

Re: N900: The First Impressions Thread
 
I love this phone!

I love everything....everything except roofs!!!

Batmensch 2010-01-20 02:46

Re: N900: The First Impressions Thread
 
Enjoying the phone, but I may not stick with it. I'm very excited by the possibilities, but I'm thinking over and over again either:

1. I wish this thing was more like my old iPhone/Android phone in terms of the controls, portrait mode, mobile web sites (easier on my old eyes),

or

2. It's great I can do (whatever) but it would have been a lot easier to do it on my laptop or desktop.

For me, it seems that I think I need something that is a LOT more suited to one-handed use rather than something that is more like a computer.

One pleasant, unexpected plus: music sounds great on the N900 over the wired earphones, and expected plus, I can play Ogg and FLAC files!

les_garten 2010-01-20 03:24

Re: N900: The First Impressions Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Batmensch (Post 483434)
Enjoying the phone, but I may not stick with it. I'm very excited by the possibilities, but I'm thinking over and over again either:

1. I wish this thing was more like my old iPhone/Android phone in terms of the controls, portrait mode, mobile web sites (easier on my old eyes),

or

2. It's great I can do (whatever) but it would have been a lot easier to do it on my laptop or desktop.

For me, it seems that I think I need something that is a LOT more suited to one-handed use rather than something that is more like a computer.

One pleasant, unexpected plus: music sounds great on the N900 over the wired earphones, and expected plus, I can play Ogg and FLAC files!

Indeed! I also think it has better Sound Qual than my iPod.

MontyBravo 2010-01-20 12:05

Re: N900: The First Impressions Thread
 
I must admit im considering sending mine back,

The gui is not that polished with tearing in the images as you scroll between desktop.

The email client is shockingly bad , and shockingly slow (this is a deal breaker for me)

The video recorder is laggy and not fit for purpose.(again a deal breaker)

Its a shame as the desktop web browser experience is awesome.


MB

sardaukar 2010-01-20 22:08

Re: N900: The First Impressions Thread
 
I've had some 'wow' moments and some 'bleh' ones too.

For a 600 Mhz machine, the GUI is not quite as responsive as I would hope. And the emulators really need some optimization, my GP2x ran GBA games fullspeed (I know it's not Nokia's fault in this aspect).

The mail client is really, really sucky which makes Nokia look bad... I mean, it's not rocket science to polish something like what they have now into something better.

Makes me think Nokia doesn't care that much, which saddens me... :(

Still, for me I have some pending things I would like fixed:

- better UI on the mail client
- more than 4 desktops (... please?)
- have app icons show when I install them, not on reboots
- better MSN connectivity
- intelligent contact merging
- better GPS app from Nokia
- more responsiveness when I click on IM notifications
- assign ringtones to contacts
- more than 2 profiles

And a few more "paper cuts" here and there. Overall, it's a great computer with some nice phone features :)


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