Originally Posted by sxr71 (Post 386325)

Well, for a resistive it's pretty good but when I put it down and pick up the iPhone, the difference is very noticeable. There's a reason why Maemo 6 is going for capacitive.

The UI has never made me feel like picking up a stylus though.

Originally Posted by sxr71 (Post 386343)

Trust me I would love it and I think the Nokia brand recognition could pull it off. However people generally won't make personal sacrifices for a greater goal. I need proper e-mail support and proper mapping support and I can make other sacrifices for the cause.

One thing that is you need critical mass to get commercial quality apps. Commercial quality apps are needed even on a FOSS platform. If I'm using a free app for a critical function and something goes wrong who do I call? So support is needed.

But I guess you have a very realistic perspective on what is most likely going to happen and you have needs that are different from the other 95% of people.

Originally Posted by Bratag (Post 386362)

Well yes - thats true if all you did was simply cross compile it to work on the ARM processor - not that it wouldnt work - and of course we do have the stylus - however I was thinking more of a proper port.

I have already said in another thread I may very well have a go at it. So perhaps now you might take your attitude and ram it directly where the sun don't shine :)

Originally Posted by olighak (Post 386366)

Absolutely! Free Open Source Software doesn´t cut it when joining the big boys club.

The difference is between having a guy, no matter how good of a programmer he is, doodling with this as his 3rd, 4th or 5th priority after his family, work, golfing, football, or having someone rely on this to pay his mortgage and food for his family.

Originally Posted by sxr71 (Post 386345)

Trust me it boggles my mind. Absolutely boggles it. I can't for the life of me understand what was going through their minds.

Originally Posted by Bratag (Post 386351)

Evolution, Sylpheed heck even Kmail are just a port away.

Originally Posted by olighak (Post 386366)

Regardless of whether it is a free application or paid for people still need to report bugs and suggest features to get their pet peeves added to applications. There is no difference between FOSS and commercial in that sense. But when something fails I´d rather go to someone who´s livelyhood depends on the application, rather than the friendly guy Jim who has to take care of his dayjob and family before he can look at the app.

Originally Posted by olighak (Post 386395)

I see I´ve hit a sore spot.

Originally Posted by olighak (Post 386395)

I see I´ve hit a sore spot.

Much of the OSS seems centered around amateur programmers, people that are not paid for creating applications but paid for perhaps at best paid for something else such as creating hardware, and that hardware just happens to need some firmware. Many of them are programmers during evenings and weekends, and sometimes that can´t compete with the open.

Originally Posted by olighak (Post 386395)

Weren´t you talking about FOSS programmers being the equivalent of volunteers earlier in this thread? Some volunteers are obsessed with what they volunteers and are better than many professionals in the trade, but instead lack the time to do the volunteering. I´m better as a mechanic than some of the one´s I´ve taken my old Volvo´s to, but that still doesn´t mean I want to open up a Reparation and Restoration shop on the side, I just can´t do it proper justice as something else takes priority.

With FOSS I am just as screwed, as with commercial apps, if the original programmer stops developing it, no one else picks it up and I either don´t have the time or can´t program. Am I any better off with the amateur in that case than the commercial programmer?

Originally Posted by jutl (Post 386401)

FOSS is often misperceived to be centred around amateur programmers. The reality is that - just like closed source software - some is developed by amateurs and some by professionals. The idea that FOSS is not something engaged in by the 'big boys' is increasingly quaint, and doesn't survive any serious investigation of the current software market.

Originally Posted by olighak (Post 386414)

But I don´t see FOSS amateurs or hardware vendor people being better suited.

Originally Posted by olighak (Post 386395)

I see I´ve hit a sore spot.

Much of the OSS seems centered around amateur programmers, people that are not paid for creating applications but paid for perhaps at best paid for something else such as creating hardware, and that hardware just happens to need some firmware. Many of them are programmers during evenings and weekends, and sometimes that can´t compete with the open.

Well Apple does not depend on Quicktime for its livelyhood does it? I don´t remember being charged for downloading and installing it. How much of Apple´s revenue is generated by Quicktime?



Freedom ok. Well there´s also freedom in being able to install useful commercial apps, as long as I can choose which one I install, right?

If the company is just making software to dump on the hardware, which is their primary business, then obviously making software is not priority number 1. In business most people can only count up to priority 1 so you can guess which side is going to suffer. The software side.

I can get paid support from multiple companies for a lot of commercial software, in case of enterprise systems. In smaller software I´ve often emailed the code´s programmers themselves with suggestions, some which make it into the release and some which don´t. But they then rely on the software for their paycheck and hence are more prone to listen to suggestions.

Weren´t you talking about FOSS programmers being the equivalent of volunteers earlier in this thread? Some volunteers are obsessed with what they volunteers and are better than many professionals in the trade, but instead lack the time to do the volunteering. I´m better as a mechanic than some of the one´s I´ve taken my old Volvo´s to, but that still doesn´t mean I want to open up a Reparation and Restoration shop on the side, I just can´t do it proper justice as something else takes priority.

With FOSS I am just as screwed, as with commercial apps, if the original programmer stops developing it, no one else picks it up and I either don´t have the time or can´t program. Am I any better off with the amateur in that case than the commercial programmer?

Originally Posted by sxr71 (Post 386154)

Just now I received a call. When I looked at the phone it was a blank screen. It glitched and it took about 5 seconds to show the actual answer button. Do you think people want to deal with this kind of thing?

You have grand visions of FOSS changing the world and freeing us of our dependence on money grubbing corporations and proprietary software. I respect that, but seriously you couldn't get people to care unless and until you package it right.

You linux chest thumpers will never understand that. Has even one Linux desktop distribution taken greater than 3% marketshare? Analyze the situation and learn from it if you want FOSS to succeed in the mobile space. Instead of criticizing the user's perspective, understand it. That is the only way you can pull off what you want to pull off.

Start with getting rid of the BS elitist attitude. That would be step one.

Originally Posted by aironeous (Post 386436)

OMFG so terrible! You actually had to put up with a small malfunction. OMFG you are so special and no device should ever disobey you cuz you are so special.
NEXT>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Why is anyone listening to this negative guy? Get him and his long-winded criticisms out of the picture he is a complete waste of time.

Originally Posted by range (Post 386389)

No, they aren't. Those won't be even remotely usable on the screen estate the phone has. Evolution is unusable on my 1024x600 Netbook, I cannot even fathom how it would look like on 800x480 (especially the 480 are a problem).

Same goes for thunderbird or *any* three-panel mail client. Look at the claws version which is available for the N8x0 - unusable, even with the stylus.

Devices like the n900 need a cleaner interface which isn't that cluttered. From that perspective modest looks usable, but somehow other things seem to have been forgotten in modest.

mutt and/or pine might be usable, though, as the device has a keyboard :)

Originally Posted by bugelrex (Post 386440)

If you're relying on the n900 as your 'primary' phone where you don't want to miss any calls.. then a 5 second delay to see the 'answer' button is a HUGE Fricken DEAL!

Originally Posted by olighak (Post 386395)

With FOSS I am just as screwed, as with commercial apps, if the original programmer stops developing it, no one else picks it up and I either don´t have the time or can´t program. Am I any better off with the amateur in that case than the commercial programmer?

Originally Posted by bugelrex (Post 386348)

Do you have that setting that turns into phone app when you rotate the phone to portrait? Could it be that setting(waiting for the accelerometer) that's causing the delay?

Originally Posted by MountainX (Post 385847)

What do you think about the posts in this discussion?

http://www.amazon.com/does-this-comp...store=wireless

Originally Posted by sxr71 (Post 386130)

You know, it's ironic that you mention e-mail and maps, Those are the two areas of this device that need work. The browser is great and with Adblock it's like a dream come true!

But Maps takes 25-30 seconds to just load and its a pretty cumbersome interface. The compass rotation is slow and stutters. To get to search (which is the number one thing people do with a mapping application) you need to go into 2 levels of menus. Maps is a beta product. It also slows down and freezes for moments.

E-mail actually runs fine. It's snappy and pretty good. But it lacks simple e-mail search. That is a problem. No other platform lacks that now including S60.

I like the fact that you can use keyboard shortcuts as if it were desktop linux. So some things are great, but Maps is unfinished and you will see that when you get yours. E-mail needs a modern feature set.

Originally Posted by ewan (Post 386157)

Since you've used both designs, why would you prefer capacitative? As I understand it, the pros are that it allows multitouch, and it doesn't require any pressure to use, whereas the cons are that you lose precision and the ability to use the screen with anything other than a bare fingertip (so no nails, no stylus)...

Originally Posted by sxr71 (Post 386468)

I don't even really understand that setting frankly. I think it's on automatic. I'll switch it back.

EDIT: I changed it to portrait. Also what does "launch by portrait" mean?

Originally Posted by Bratag (Post 386471)

Its pretty easy to understand - when its on and you turn the phone to portrait orientation it opens the phone app. When its off - it doesn't.

Not exactly rocket science

Originally Posted by sxr71 (Post 386480)

I wouldn't ask the question if it worked Einstein.

Originally Posted by gskimmel (Post 386505)

I just noticed 2 burned out pixels on the screen. Do you think this is something warranty can handle or does it fall under just my luck and there isn't anything I can do about it?

Originally Posted by Bratag (Post 386488)

Can anyone else confirm this feature doesnt work. Looking for those who have the phone please.

Originally Posted by Laughing Man (Post 386506)

Depends on who you bought it from, check their warranty or exchange information.

For example: Newegg has a required amount of dead pixels before you can exchange it.

Originally Posted by Bratag (Post 386488)

Can anyone else confirm this feature doesnt work. Looking for those who have the phone please.

Originally Posted by gskimmel (Post 386510)

I got it from Nokia's NY Flagship store but I live in DC. :(

Originally Posted by Laughing Man (Post 386532)

Did you get a pamplet? What about the box manual about the manufacturer's warranty? Does it say anything about dead pixels? If not you may want to call Nokia up and ask.