Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing
 

Try `sudo closechroot` or restarting the system

Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing
 

Correct. Except I would not do it in /tmp as you almost certainly will not have enough space (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tmpfs). Replace it with /home/debian-temp, /home/user/debian-temp, or even skip it altogether and use /mnt. In next lines, I will assume /mnt as the destination.

That would work if the OS knew anything about your-easy-debian-image-file.ext3. Assuming it does not, you need to specify the full parameters as per my reply above.

mount -t ext3 /home/user/MyDocs/your-easy-debian-image-file.ext3 /mnt

You need a cd there. Plus we have agreed to leave /tmp alone. And you don't need to change your working directory. Just skip this command altogether. If you want, you can (optionally) check you have some contents to copy:

ls /mnt

Correct. It will most likely work as written but if not, you may add the file system type specification, like this:

mount -t ext3 /dev/mmcblk1p1 /.debian

Correct, only use /mnt instaed of /tmp/debian-temp:

cp -a /mnt/* /.debian

You may also want to unmount things once finished:

umount /.debian
umount /mnt

Finally, edit your /home/user/.chroot file to point to your new ED location as per my post #2943.

Edit: Err, silly me, since mount does not actually copy anything, feel free to use /tmp/debian-temp as you originally intended if you wish. No tmpfs space will be used. :o

Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing
 

pichlo - you absolutely rock!

Everything went ok! I do not see much difference comparing to image but still you have provided a cristal clear step by step instruction which saved my day!

Now this should land in the wiki.

One thing - I had to change swapines to default as it gave me reboots. My N900 is sensitve in this manner.

Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing
 

Use "nice -n 19"

btw. bumping my problem with lxde :)

Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing
 

Just for future reference - the "code" syntax for messaging boards is meant exactly to avoid such situations (I used this syntax in original commands) - if you're not 100% sure what is new line and whatsnot, just copy content of "CODE" field from post, and paste into some sane text editor (one that doesn't wrap lines by default). "Code" brackets ensure, that messaging board will do 0 formatting to content - even if your resolution makes it appear like new lines.

/Estel

Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing
 

Thank you for the tip. I didn't know that!

Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing
 

Estel, what's libgl1-mesa-dri in your image for? Nothing depends on it. (or dependencies have been removed - nevertheless it shouldn't be as manually installed)

/edit
The same question for libwebkit-1.0-2.

/edit2: There are many more such libs. (e.g. libdb4.6) You should unmark them in your image as manually installed.

Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing
 

I have tested ED on microSD card more and must say thet I was wrong - it is much faster. After reading that Autodisconect can give problems I have decided to try ED on eMMC partition and did a complet reflash.

Now I have read this:
http://wiki.maemo.org/Repartitioning_the_flash

The GParted method was sounding easy as I have previously managed to partition an sd card but at the end of the GParted section there are not so cleare statments and instructions for an unexperienced user like me so I have tried to follow this:
https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/wik...id=1382&type=g

Which looked easier for me but I failed at the step of downloading sfdisk - gave 404 error.

So is there an easy way to do it? ;)

Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing
 

The GParted way really is the simplest. Can you tell us what exactly you find confusing? Perhaps we can clear it up for you.

EDIT: If you really want to try the fdisk way, try stripping the bit after the last '/' in the URL. You will get more to choose from than you can shake an fdisk at :)

(Hint: until-linux 2.13 was phased out. Look for a newer version but expect dependency issues (no, I have not tried it). Hence the recommended GParted way.)

Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing
 

Well I managed to connect the phone as suggested.

I did a clean reflash and installed just backupmenu, then I have connected the phone and launched GParted. I have chosen the phone and saw the partitions. After unmounting them I was able to partition it. So I have chosen the 27GB partition and resized it to 23GB. This gave me 4GB space which I have chosen and marked as extended partition and the I have chosen ext3 type while creating a new partition inside the extended one. All went well but after starting maemo I couldn't see it.

In GParted there was the large partition, the my new one, then I think swap or opt. Something like this. In the wiki it stated that I should not change anything so does this mean that I have to repartition everything from scrach and create a new MyDocs (if so what to chose in GParted so it would be MyDocs), new swap, new opt and only then put the partition for ED?

Huh the need for speed is killing me ;) To much linux for a historian like me!

Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing
 

"Something like this" is not good enough :)

Without hacking boot scripts, Maemo expect 3 partitions in this specific order:
1. MyDocs (fat32)
2. OptFS (ext3)
3. Swap (swap)

These three can be of any size, but the order matters. Well, to some extent. The location of the swap partition does not really matter as long as it is not 1 or 2.

It sounds like you've created a new extended partition between MyDocs and OptFS. I have not tried that but I would expect this to not work because your Optfs would move to position #3 and the partition would be something like #5, thus effectively losing #2 where Maemo expects OptFS.

There should be an easy way out. You do not need to flash again. All you need to do is boot again, press W in BackupMenu and connect to GParted as before. Then,
1. Delete your new extended partition
2. MOVE your OptFS partition down, immediately after MyDocs (just use drag'n'drop in GParted)
3. Create a new PRIMARY partition in the empty space and format it as ext3
4. Reboot and enjoy.

NOTE: You really do not need extended partitions. You can create up to 4 primary partitions and that is all you need. Extended partition is merely a way to circumvent the magic limit of 4, in case you want more partitions. This is not Linux, this is how any computer works :)

Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing
 

the egl driver and hwa is working now?

Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing
 

pichlo

You wont belive it - moving a partition with drag and drop doesn't work on GParted on my Lubuntu ;) Damn. Everything I do ends with a blocker. I have serached how to mowe partitions in GPared, read the documentation on sourceforge and nothing - I can not drag the thing to the end.

Edit - to move a partition I had to remove the swap and then I could move the opt and then create new swap behind opt and ED as the last one! ;)

Edit 2

Now I have everything set up but maemo doesn't see that partition. Is this good or bad?

If this is good is there a way to copy the files which I previously extracted to my sd card to that partition? Will ED see that partition if I do like posted here http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...ostcount=2807?

Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing
 

Err, sorry if I did not make myself clear. Perhaps some mutual misunderstanding.
This is what I thought you had:

This is what I wanted you to do:

First, delete your new partition:
Next, move Optfs down:
And lastly, create a new partition in the vacated space:
Note: It does not matter if your swap and new partition have swapped places.

Edit: If your setup looks like the above and Maemo does not see the new partition, then perhaps you've forgotten to format it? Try formatting it as ext3, followed by a reboot.

Edit 2: You can now copy your ED content to the new partition. It will be /dev/mmcblk0p3 or /dev/mmcblk0p4, depending on your specific arrangement. You can use dd as in the post you've linked but that will only work if the new partition size exactly matches the size of the image. A better approach is to use cp -a like here, adjusting for source and destination (/dev/mmcblk1p1 and /dev/mmcblk0p3 or 4, respectively). Finally, edit your .chroot accordingly and you are set.

Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing
 

Well I had it like this:
MyDocs -opt-swap-My new partition in EXT3
and maemo didn't see it.

Now I changed it and did as in the attachemnt so it looks like you posted.

Previously I laso had it in ext3. To be on the safe side I formated the new partition twice to ext3.

Maemo doesn't see it. I rebooted twice just to be 100%.

When I plug the phone to PC with Backupmenu my Lubuntu does see the new partition.

I think that I did something wrong bu do not know what.

Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing
 

Looks alright to me. What exactly do you mean by "Maemo does not see it"?
If you mean File Manager does not show it, that would not surprise me. I do not have it though so I cannot check.

Please post the output of the following (in the terminal as root):

sfdisk -l (that's lovercase 'ell', not number one)
mount /dev/mmcblk0p3 /mnt
ls /mnt

Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing
 

The last one showed nothing.

Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing
 

Maybe try pinning glibc to squeeze version and check whether it'll work. And maybe it's been updated.

/edit: or try the version from jessie/sid/whatever. We might have a broked mix like with squeeze/lenny but it'll work at least. ;)

Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing
 

Sorry, my bad. Should have noticed, but did not see it in your screenshot. Your partitions are out of order so your new partition is mmcblk0p4, not p3.

Oh and before you ask, out of order is not a problem ;)

Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing
 

Now the situation changed rapidly. My sd card is out of order and I can not copy the previously extracted files to my new and shiny partition...

So here I go again. I have downloaded estels image from qole, extracted it on my PC and transfered it to MyDocs.

To sum up the state of my mess:

the partition for ED is at: using the command: works ok - no errors
ls /mnt shows: As I understand I have to again extract the files from the image but now change the destination from sd card to my emmc partition so I do something like this:
then I have to mount the created partition so I do:
Then I have to copy the files so I do:
And finally I do:
Is this correct? And where to add that parameter which will help to avoid reboots on my not so tough N900?

Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing
 

That's expected.

Spot on!

Try without first.

Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing
 

No idea as I was not using LXDE (not much point on such a small screen) but bumping again as I feel guilty for burying it with my posts.

For reference, I think you speak about this post.

Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing
 

Pinning glibc to squeeze is, probably, going to require downgrading few other things to squeeze, to. This or other way, doing so is replicating lenny/squeeze mix we had earlier, with all multitude of problems for future.

Personally, with such perspective, I would rather opt for downgrading to Squeeze entirely, so I'm not (again, personally) interested in spending my time for pinning/mixing efforts. Of course, everyone is free to try and I'll gladly discuss results.
---

@fw190, that command was "nice" and was to be applied in line where you copy (cp) files - but, if your device would be to reboot, nice won't help, anyway, so as pichlo said, try without it, first.

Generally, if you have swap on microSD, and you'll be copying files *to* eMMC, you shouldn't get reboot problems.

/Estel

Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing
 

Hear ye hear ye! (TMO listens)

EasyDeeee works on eMMC!!! (TMO waves)

:):):):)

Pichlo thank you for your extensive help with this! Now I'm testing ED on eMMC with swap on SD (found a spare card) ;)

And what about upgrading to entirely jessie (maybe that'll do the trick)?

Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing
 

I would rather expect the opposite (more things broken), but it's still worth the try ;) No much sense until jessie get "frozen", yet. Too much changes too often.

Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing
 

Another idea might be trying Ubuntu. Although it's becoming a little crappy these days, we have more options. Maybe 13.04 won't work, but 12.04 will & etc.

Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing
 

Don't know if this is the place to post my problem.

I've installed easy debian from extras repository and downloaded on my pc the images from qole site, extracted them and then copied them on MyDocs one at a time (only one image at a time on the n900). Everything seems to work fine. Then I've tried to configure icedove for mail, and here is the issue: imap with ssl don't seem to work. Icedove tells me that the settings are not correct, but I have the same settings on thunderbird on my ubuntu pc. And this happens with every image (even those experimental that I found on the forums, and with icedove 3.x and 10.x). If I try the settings without ssl it seems to work (it gives me a warning but I can send and receive mails).

The reason I need icedove is because the official n900 mail app doesn't sync the sent folder over imap, and I really need this feature so I can see the mails I've send from the n900 on my desktop app. So I would use the default mail app only to check for incoming mails and if I need to respond or to write a mail then I would fire up icedove and use it.

If someone knows if the "bug" of the default mail app can be and would be fixed, an alternative that works, or how to connect with icedove on imap and ssl it would be awesome.

Tanks.

Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing
 

No idea about your Icedove problem but...

It does not? That's new to me. It works perfectly fine for me.

What Modest does NOT do is put your sent emails in the proper "Sent" folder. Instead, it puts them all in some local "Sent" folder.. All sent emails from all accounts go the same one place, all mixed up. Yuck. So the first thing I do after sending an email is reopen the message, select "Move Message" from the menu and move it to the relevant account's "Sent" folder where it is nicely synced with my IMAP server.

EDIT:
This is even more off-topic in this thread but I thought I'd mention it anyway as it is a security risk. I bought a used N900 about a year ago. All the contacts, messages, email accounts etc were carefully deleted by the previous owner - except the poor guy did not realize the Modest's shortcoming with the sent emails which were still there, even after the accounts had been deleted! Keep that in mind when passing your N900 on. If you can't or don't want to flash it, then at least make sure all your private info is properly deleted, including sent emails.

Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing
 

That is true! I never thought to try that. Thanks for the info. But now I am thinking if it exist maybe a solution to automate the task and not have to manually move the message every time? Maybe a script or something, don't know.... but it would be awesome.

Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing
 

As there doesn't seem to be much chance for GIMP getting @(_-#+% fixed for armel in wheezy (bug with crash on font properties tool), I decided to downgrade to squeeze. This mean, that I have to downgrade python too, as GIMP requires version < 2.7. So follow bluez... Now, while squeeze bluez *used* to work and install OK, now it throw error during installation:

Am I missing something obvious, or in meantime, they have, actually, managed to f*ck bluez in Squeeze, requiring us (< 2.6.32 kernel users) to pin older version?

/Estel

// Edit

Before anyone asks, it turned out, that downgrading python = downgrading libreoffice and half of desktop env. things - which means, that I can, as well, downgrade to squeeze as a whole. Which I'm probably going to do, as wheezy irritates the the sh... outta' me, with all those no-one-is-interested-about-fixing-for-armel bugs.

Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing
 

What are the problems of Debian Wheezy on ARM ? Only GIMP ?

Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing
 

Did you ask on glibc irc?

Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing
 

while unrelated to GIMP, the main problem is glibc. While so far, it manifested itself "only" by non-working gparted, I ensured, that it's *not* gparted's, but glibc fault. This means, that other things may not work properly, too - I must admit, that I haven't tested it extensively.

Aside from that, Chromium is borked for ARM.

Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing
 

Will there be a new image Easy Debian of stable release (Wheezy - debian-7.2.0-armel-DVD-1.iso)?
Preferably without Chrome with LibreOffice.

http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/...armel/iso-dvd/

Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing
 

Re chromium bug:

It seems, that they have some problems contacting sulu. Or their mail delivery system sucks, as it seems to me, that bug observers received mail addressed at bug submitter. Regardless, I thought it may be good idea to paste it here, as sulu seems to be very alive to me ;)

Unlike chromium, which still suffers from same problems...

/Estel

Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing
 

Thanks for the info, Estel!
I haven't tried chromium any further since I filed that bug report and I don't even have an environment set up to test it. I wil set one up but that might take some days.

Just in case you have an ED Jessie image, can you please create a gdb output as described here?:
https://wiki.debian.org/Chromium/Debugging

Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing
 

In fact, it's equally opposite - currently, I'm using a full Squeeze ED. I would love to backup my current ED and upgrade to Jessie, just for reporting this bug and checking state of others (glibc, gimp), but sadly, I'm currently on cellular data plan which 500 mb transfer limit (glory of the 80's :D ), which also act as my main ISP 'till new year, at least. Which means I'm unable to download all relevant update packages. Sorry :(

/Estel

Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing
 

I see. :(

Yesterday in the evening I tried to resurrect my qemu-arm VM but due to some recent* bug in qemu it can't boot from hdd images anymore. Now one needs to boot from an nfs share which I haven't set up so far.
My first attempt to circumvent the qemu bug was to run qemu in a VBox Squeeze VM, but the qemu VM wasn't running stable.

So I started a dist-upgrade of my Wheezy image on the N900 in the morning, holding on to the desperate hope that the watchdog won't kill it.
I'll know more when I'm back home.


*) in terms of Debian releases

Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing
 

Maybe you can hunt some hotspot in the city center. It might not be blazing fast but maybe would let you fetch the packages.