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And I'm also pretty sure that people would've been glad to answer if his question had been "How do I get out of top?" instead of "teach me all basic linux commands", because that is like waving a hammer in front of a carpenter and saying "teach me everything you can make with this" and then calling him "rude and elitist" if he asks you to study it yourself.

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If I was that guy I would be embarrassed that you just expended 100x more "effort" than he did! NICE SPOON FEED!

http://www.brianandjoelle.net/wp-con...spoon-feed.jpg



You say I'm Rude, I say you're "Holier than Thou"

Re: Can anyone tell me what is the function of X-terminal application in N900?
 

Fair enough. There is always room for politeness.

Re: Can anyone tell me what is the function of X-terminal application in N900?
 

I really really believe that if you have the stamina to answer these types of questions from new users, you should help the old curmudgeons too by making a wiki page with your helpful information in it and pointing the new user to that page. Then the old curmudgeons can snap off a curt post that points to the wiki page and be both brief and helpful at the same time.

A good example is:

Newbie: "How do I gain root?"
Curmudgeonly Old Timer: http://wiki.maemo.org/Root_access

Please keep up this list! It makes everyone's lives easier!

http://wiki.maemo.org/Frequently_asked_questions


That's a cute baby by the way.

Re: Can anyone tell me what is the function of X-terminal application in N900?
 

you know, with the time you spent on all your posts complaining about spoon-feeding information and looking up those nice pictures, you could've told him a few beginner's commands instead.

i believe in free fish, btw.
caring for the weak and less fortunate is one of the most human trades of all.

Re: Can anyone tell me what is the function of X-terminal application in N900?
 

I've been training and developing Data Engineers since 1985. Lots of them now make between $150K-$250K a year now. I found them all over the place like retail sales, salesman at liquor stores, working in Gas stations, etc. This ain't my first Rodeo.

Yeah, you can just pick up the spoon I suppose. I'm not inclined that way. I don't believe in a Free, Lazy, Socialistic way of Life either. Linux is not for the Lazy, sorry, it's not.

You want to expend some effort, try to learn and teach yourself, I'm all about helping those guys out. There's two ways to reply to the treatment I'm doing here:

1) You can cry and piss and moan, and say how rude and mean I am. And get other tards to throw in with you and say, yeah that guys IS mean and rude! And then YOU guys can hang out around the campfire and well do what people like you do around the campfire.

or

2) You can say, wow, he's right, I didn't expend 3 nanoseconds of effort before I posted something that has been asked already by 18 quintrillion other noobies before me. I am freakin' lazy. Next time I want some information, maybe I'll at least Google a little and spend 5 minutes reading and getting my own answer. Maybe I'll learn 10 other things about Linux while getting that one answer. Then maybe next time I'll ask an educated question rather than a lazy ignorant question.

I prefer obviously for #2 to happen. Because to me it yields better results in the end.

Make sure you understand what I am saying here. It has to do with the effort expended before the question is posed how I react. Not the question itself. However, some questions in themselves show that ZERO effort was expended. The original question was certainly one of those.

To me the end result desired is for someone to THINK before they post. Do a little work before they post. It produces a better POST. So in the end, it is of more use to the Noobie, who expends ZERO effort, to get beat up a little. Next time, he'll ask a better question that shows he has some skin in the game. Those are the guys you want to help.

Ohh, and I hope you see that I was not trying to avoid effort associated with answering a question. If that was the deal, I wouldn't have said anything at all.

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les_garten, what's the point in a community if people don't help each other out? If you google "xterm", you wont find a newb-friendly explenation to it, but a bunch of confusing sites with answers that he wouldn't understand. talk.maemo.org isn't here so that you can boost your ego up by pretending to be superior to newcomers. As SubCore said, you should consider an attitude change, instead of looking for excuses & ways of telling people they're making a fool out of themselves.
You're no-one to judge whether he has to know it or not, his original question was "what is xterminal for?", so you could either answer it with your knowledge or ignore it. By acting like a spoilt brat, you didn't give a positive impression, so either way you lost the game.

Have a nice day

Re: Can anyone tell me what is the function of X-terminal application in N900?
 

Read the post above numbskull....

Re: Can anyone tell me what is the function of X-terminal application in N900?
 

Thumbs up to you. "numbskull", did you google that? tehehehe!

Oh common, stop blaiming other people because you're blatently suffering from a personality disorder. Your whining & weeping is giving me nausea.

Please stop replying, it's rather disturbing. ;-^o

Re: Can anyone tell me what is the function of X-terminal application in N900?
 

There's nothing wrong with the desired end result, but I'm not sure that your approach is the most effective way of achieving it.

Re: Can anyone tell me what is the function of X-terminal application in N900?
 

maybe that would be the intelligent thing to do.

how about this:
you show a newbie a little bit of kindness and good information, he gets interested, and actually starts looking up information for himself, and becomes a productive member of this community one day.

people who never really get interested in this matter are easy to spot, and won't get any help soon anyways, after asking a third time.

there surely isn't anything wrong with sharing a little information, though. linux may not be for the lazy, but giving a friendly bump in the right direction is most many people need to get off their asses.

you, with your customers worth several hundred thousands of dollars (feeling better telling everyone?) can't spare a little of your oh-so-precious time introducing someone new to the linux community?

what's worse, you come here, make him feel unwelcome, and actually BELITTLE those who try to help?

that's stupid and childish.

so yeah, regardless of the size of your ****, i'd really appreciate it if you refrain from posting in these sort of threads from now on. you know, the sort where people are exchanging actual information.

Re: Can anyone tell me what is the function of X-terminal application in N900?
 

I personally would like to see a tutorial or thread started on just simple commands that we can type into the terminal.
Maybe status of cpu/RAM usage things like that.

Re: Can anyone tell me what is the function of X-terminal application in N900?
 

What you are asking is the essence begining Linux. With the Xterminal you have at your finger tips the fpower of an fully operational battle station, er, I mean Linux computer. One thing that most people don't realize is that that *NIX is *NIX is *NIX. Different Unixs are a lot more alike then they are different. The basic Unix things I learned, (ye gads) almost 30 years again on high end Unix box are still applicable to the small N900. The same commands I run on the big IBM AIX hardware at work are the same I used on my Linux desktops which is the same on the N900.

When everyone says go get a beginning Linux user docs, that's your begninng N900 Xterminal tutorial. 80% of what pick up from there is directly applicable to the N900. The N900 IS a Linux computer. 'Linux for Dummies' can be subtitled 'N900 Xterm for Dummies'.

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Awesome, I'm excited to do some simple code then.

Re: Can anyone tell me what is the function of X-terminal application in N900?
 

nothing like creating a wiki.

Re: Can anyone tell me what is the function of X-terminal application in N900?
 

there's some basic commands http://www.howtoforge.com/useful_linux_commands . Note that all commands may not be available in maemo

Re: Can anyone tell me what is the function of X-terminal application in N900?
 

That is on my Maemo desktop as we speak. I'm learning as we speak. Great link for guys like me.:D

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Another handy guide is http://freeengineer.org/learnUNIXin10minutes.html .

Linux is built on top of UNIX, and many of the commands you will come across in this forum are UNIX commands.

For me as a beginner, the most confusing thing was the idea of "permissions" in UNIX. Whatever I tried to do, I would get an error message: "You do not have permission to do this." It took a while before I understood that I could give myself the permission by using chmod and chown commands. That's not the way you get permission in the big, bad world outside.

STANDARD WARNING. Using the command line, you can end up with a Maemo device that does not work. It could freeze up, it could reboot over and over again, it could go completely blank. To get it working again, you might have to reflash the firmware. Until you are comfortable with the flasher, you are better not to use X-Terminal. You also need to be comfortable with taking out the battery, because that might be the only way to turn off your device before reflashing.

Re: Can anyone tell me what is the function of X-terminal application in N900?
 

Usually the only "permission" you can grant yourself is the permission to execute a file as a program. This isn't so much a true "permission" but a flag that says, "this text file isn't just a text file, it is a script that can be executed!"

All of the other permissions (reading, writing, deleting, etc) are only given to you by those of higher authority (ie root), just like in the real world. And just like in the real world, you can grant yourself those permissions if you pretend to be a person of higher authority ;)

Re: Can anyone tell me what is the function of X-terminal application in N900?
 

les_garten is just a jerk, i think it's ok to ask if your having doubts about a thing, or just need clarification, but an even BETTER way to help the newbies, like myself and others, would be to keep up the wiki, put there some usefull commands, so we have a place to look first, and don't bother the old dogs more than we should, cause' im sure it gets annoying, and for people who keep saying google it, google doesn't always come thru, it may take us to a place were we just get more confused, or to some commands that don't work with maemo or something, that's what talk.MAEMO is for..... a little newbie x-terminal guide in the wiki would rock, specially since most of the other guides for customizing n900 talk about /usr/share and other directories that are only available in x-term..... :) wiki newbie guide FTW

Re: Can anyone tell me what is the function of X-terminal application in N900?
 

Nice of you to Join up yesterday and Bump a 3 month old thread...

NOOBIE!

Re: Can anyone tell me what is the function of X-terminal application in N900?
 

probably because 3 months later and there's still no wiki newbie guide yet? .... i think it's not a request that deserves to be dropped, you idiot

Re: Can anyone tell me what is the function of X-terminal application in N900?
 

There's all kinds of Wiki's for Newbies here, YOU IDIOT!

You're just too stoopid or Lazy to find them.

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I think it should be dropped. Too much work and no point.

The moment you start using xterm you (hopefully) are not a noob. You are more a power-user.

friendly reminder:
http://wiki.maemo.org/General_precautions

and after that:

http://wiki.maemo.org/Category:Power_users

Re: Can anyone tell me what is the function of X-terminal application in N900?
 

The command line is not only a tool, but also a way of life.

Although it is not a tutorial, but more a philosophical treatise, you could do worse than reading "In the beginning was the command line" from Neal Stephenson. It is available for free from his website.

Paai

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I happen to live in a country that is "Free, Lazy and Socialistic", compared to the US that is. And I rather object to your associations. But this is not a political forum.

Like you, I am a long time Unix user and teacher and I always found the Unix communities far more 'socialistic' than any of the proprietary systems. The Open Source movement has its roots in Unix, and it is all about sharing, teaching newbees and helping collegues. Sometimes RTFM is a suitable way of helping, and sometimes it is spending a lot of time with the problems of others.

So there.

Paai

Re: Can anyone tell me what is the function of X-terminal application in N900?
 

there are a lot of good articles about howto use terminal. and with common usage n900's xterm works just like the ones the articles are written to.

of course there could be one collection of maemo-specific useful wiki articles.

complete tutorial to terminal usage has already been covered multiple times and can be found in less than 2 minutes with google.

Re: Can anyone tell me what is the function of X-terminal application in N900?
 

I suggest that you first get some mileage on a 'regular' command line on a PC that uses 'sh' or 'bash' (the programs that interpret what you type in), the reason being that PCs have nicer screens and keyboards :-) You can even install such things in Microsoft and the Mac has them native as their OS already is a Unix.

Then install ssh on your N900 and connect from the PC to your Nokia. That way, you can explore the commandline of the N900 , write scripts and execute commands from the same confortable keyboard.

Hope this helps.

Paai

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Is "idiot" some kind of abbrevation I don't get? Or is this the insult I generally don't want to read in a discussion?

Curious,
icke

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hmmm... this looks like a nice place to post this. if this is wrong pls be kind about telling me i posted in the wrong place. not up for insults today. hope it helps

Link to a linux tutorial i found while searching for the same info as the person who started this thread. they say it works in many ways like the n900 so maybe it will help. don't know if it was posted already but here ya go

http://linuxcommand.gds.tuwien.ac.at/

Re: Can anyone tell me what is the function of X-terminal application in N900?
 

Looks like a nice site. Best way to learn is resurrect an obsolete machine and install a distro and play around.

Re: Can anyone tell me what is the function of X-terminal application in N900?
 

I have often thought that a tablet-oriented guide to xterm would be a wonderful project for a newbie, and there is a need for it.

The person who would learn the most from this sort of project would be the person doing it.

So, if you are a newbie reading this thread, how about doing us a favor and writing a guide to xterm for us? What you would do is google around to find Xterm guides and try them on your tablet and adopt the guides to the N900 or whatever.

I'm looking forward to reading it!

Re: Can anyone tell me what is the function of X-terminal application in N900?
 

simply if u wanna compare it with ur pc, u'll find it somehow quite similar to the MS Dos as commands, with some deferences (such as case sensitive).
however, as the other gentlemen mentioned, u'll not need it always.. or let's say, u still can survive without it..
good luck..

Re: Can anyone tell me what is the function of X-terminal application in N900?
 

Here's what you can do with an X terminal. http://www.viewtouch.com/mobile.html

The program that is putting the graphics on that display and handling the touchscreen input is running on a $195 solid state computer which is 2,500 miles away (in New York City) from the wireless tablet showing in that picture. The program is actually an X Windows System window manager which is using only 6.5 Mb or RAM and running on a 500 Mhz processor which requires no fan.

There are 8 touchscreen tablets like the one in the picture which are located all over the USA & Canada and are getting their display from that same program on that same computer in NYC. The 8 touchscreen tablets are running Midori Linux on a 128 Mb Compact Flash card and running only the X term, which is receiving the graphical display via ssh (compressed and encrypted) over the Internet.

X terms can obviously do graphical things and they can allow people to work collaboratively without regard to where they are, even if the users have no idea that they are working together.

X terms are vastly unappreciated and not understood very well even by Linux enthusiasts.

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Shell scripts, grep, sed, awk, perl. That's where the power is. All in your disposal out of the box.
...when you need to get some serious work done, and pretty pictures + 20*10^3 apps just don't cut it.

Re: Can anyone tell me what is the function of X-terminal application in N900?
 

If I got to get some serious work done, it won't be on a 3.5" screen and a thumb powered Keyboard with 3 rows...

Time to keep it real...

Re: Can anyone tell me what is the function of X-terminal application in N900?
 

i saw the x-terminal question and i came here with hope, but only to get this.
guys come on

Re: Can anyone tell me what is the function of X-terminal application in N900?
 

What was you hoping for? And what exactly is wrong with "this"? As well as "this" you also got a lot of "that". And isn't "that" enough to answer the question posed by this thread?

Re: Can anyone tell me what is the function of X-terminal application in N900?
 

i still cant figure out wt to do with x term while i spend my most tme staying there...;(

Re: Can anyone tell me what is the function of X-terminal application in N900?
 

I didn't have it till I was bourned again with it.