Re: Confirmed/CAUTION: N900 Ovi Apps require Corporation + $1M USD Corporate General Liability Insurace
 

Yeah, but I don't see it getting any easier for a "normal" person.

Re: Confirmed/CAUTION: N900 Ovi Apps require Corporation + $1M USD Corporate General Liability Insurace
 

Yeah the problem with donating on the Internet is it first requires setting up an account, which always takes a few steps. No way to get around that issue sadly.

Re: Confirmed/CAUTION: N900 Ovi Apps require Corporation + $1M USD Corporate General Liability Insurace
 

Please paste your Ovi publishing related questions at http://wiki.maemo.org/Ovi_Store_publishing and I will do my best getting official answers. Thanks!

Re: Confirmed/CAUTION: N900 Ovi Apps require Corporation + $1M USD Corporate General Liability Insurace
 

i liked that tag "one billion dollars!".
Srsly, don't make it worse, this is no funneh. :(
The Ovistore team should really rethink some of their strategies & keep in mind, that It's not a shame to copy something that works somewhere else. ;)

Re: Confirmed/CAUTION: N900 Ovi Apps require Corporation + $1M USD Corporate General Liability Insurace
 

The wallpapers fall directly under the fair use laws in the US. I had no idea that my wallpapers were already on Ovi though. No one told me about that.

Re: Confirmed/CAUTION: N900 Ovi Apps require Corporation + $1M USD Corporate General Liability Insurace
 

Actually no. With Paypal the recipient will need an account, but that's no big deal. But people sending money don't need an account. They can just enter payment card details like on any site.

Re: Confirmed/CAUTION: N900 Ovi Apps require Corporation + $1M USD Corporate General Liability Insurace
 

So it looks like all this huge discussion started with a misunderstanding. Ovi publishing for Maemo is still unreleased and this is why Debian packages are not in the current list of formats supported in the list of 'plain' formats. Hense the confusion that it must be part of the Premium supported formats. From that point you are directed to the Premium, the extra liability insurance and so on.

Coclusion: if you are interested in Ovi publishing for Maemo please wait until the service is released. Then we (and Ovi itself) will explain you how to join etc.

The experience of code177 has been interesting and we are trying to be helpful with him because of that. Other developers like him, please get familiar with Forum Nokia since this is the natural Nokia platform for commercial developers. And next time you know that there is a right time for everything. ;)

Re: Confirmed/CAUTION: N900 Ovi Apps require Corporation + $1M USD Corporate General Liability Insurace
 

I think the Confirmed/Caution part of this thread title should be removed since it has been unconfirmed since Code was reading details not related to the N900

Re: Confirmed/CAUTION: N900 Ovi Apps require Corporation + $1M USD Corporate General Liability Insurace
 

To be fair, here's the last email I received from Ovi:

So I do not believe this was a misunderstanding or an inaccuracy.

However, I cannot speak for the Open Source aspect of the Ovi Store because that is not my realm of knowledge (emphasis needed). For the time being it is very clear that commercial (for money) applications must currently go through the rigorous process that has been outlined previously.

As Quim has mentioned, this forum isn't actually the place to debate the policy changes or try and influence anything regarding commercial application development. My intent in proffering this information at this juncture is only to give a heads up to the other potential commercial developers who may be lurking here (of which there are more than a few).

I believe the Extras / Maemo Select is probably the best route at the moment for anybody wishing the publish open source applications. I feel that the difference between Open Source and Free in this context is trivial, as most people offering a free application - unless it is under the guise of a promotional offering ('try our lite version!'), are not going to be concerned about source obfuscation.

So from a free / open source perspective, Ovi's side of maemo (Maemo Select) and the integration with extras that we've seen so far ("from the community") appears to be working quite efficiently - I apologise for the confusion between the two, but at the very least we now know that there is a difference.

Interestingly it seems as though me and Quim have differing ideas on what the current process is, so I'm not sure which is correct, but I am quite certain as this information becomes available and more clear someone will clarify it :)

That said, I believe this thread has been a valuable weather meter (hopefully someone is paying attention) and there's been a lot of unique and interesting suggestions put forward, which generally speaking is never a bad thing.

Hope this helps and makes a little sense

Re: Confirmed/CAUTION: N900 Ovi Apps require Corporation + $1M USD Corporate General Liability Insurace
 

There are some fascinating tidbits of information there...

Only premium publishers can publish for the N900. I wonder why that is? They only want "safe" or "trusted" publishers on the new device? They couldn't handle the capacity if "regular" publishers could publish for the N900?

There's a "huge" queue of developer applications wanting to become premium publishers. I wonder if that huge queue is due to general, regular bureaucracy at Ovi (the queue has been there a while, and it is getting longer rather than shorter because the processing capacity is much smaller than the new application rate), or specifically due to the launch of the N900?

Anyway, thanks for this thread, code177. It really has given us all an insight into the schizophrenia of a huge company with lots of semi-autonomous units, and the problems of a small commercial developer trying to get onto a playing field usually reserved for "the big boys".

Re: Confirmed/CAUTION: N900 Ovi Apps require Corporation + $1M USD Corporate General Liability Insurace
 

code177, read the "at this moment" in your quote. At this moment Ovi for Maemo is not public, nobody can publish (as in make public) any software for the N900 simply because there are no Ovi pages for the N900. Simple as that.

One day Ovi for Maemo will be public, the terms and condition will be public and you will see that being a Premium publisher is not a requirement in order to publish apps for Maemo in Ovi.

None of this has anything to do with open source. The previous step (having a Tax ID or VAT) still applies. The Premium brings the hurdle of the liability insurance, which is what I'm saying that won't be required to publish apps for Maemo.

Just wait till the announcement of Ovi for Maemo. Keep sending your questions to the wiki page. as you see we are doing some homework in order to answer them. :)

Re: Confirmed/CAUTION: N900 Ovi Apps require Corporation + $1M USD Corporate General Liability Insurace
 

Well I'm not going to get into an argument with you about this, you obviously have more knowledge about the inner workings of Nokia so I, and everyone else here tend to take your posts as fact.

You have my sincere apologies. I was merely passing on what was said to me by Ovi and my own interpretations of what these things mean.

Re: Confirmed/CAUTION: N900 Ovi Apps require Corporation + $1M USD Corporate General Liability Insurace
 

We believe you of course :)

But note that the mail code177 received says "only the approved premium publisher can publish for N900 at this moment" - that is, there are some people who can publish for the the N900 at the moment.

Can you confirm that this part of the mail was incorrect and there is a level playing field?

Also, regarding that very long queue for approval: You say wait for the terms and Ovi Maemo to be ready. Is there any advantage in getting into the approval queue now, to avoid a potentially long delay after Ovi Maemo becomes ready before it's possible to publish?

Or is it really the case that commercial apps can be published without liability insurance on Maemo?

Finally, just curious - how long is the queue? Hundreds, thousands, or millions of would be publishers? I won't be surprised if this isn't answered :)

Thanks a lot!

Re: Confirmed/CAUTION: N900 Ovi Apps require Corporation + $1M USD Corporate General Liability Insurace
 

Just to say from the 'average bear' end, I d/led some apps from Maemo Select last night. The first thing I noticed was the bloomin' big disclaimer teling me I was proceeding at my own risk on the developer-created apps. I kind of felt if I were an dev, I'd be mildly insulted with the way that was done. ;)

Re: Confirmed/CAUTION: N900 Ovi Apps require Corporation + $1M USD Corporate General Liability Insurace
 

But then you have to renew as well....

Re: Confirmed/CAUTION: N900 Ovi Apps require Corporation + $1M USD Corporate General Liability Insurace
 

Sorry to butt in here .. was just reading Charles Stross' blog and came across a worrying quote (as least if you're in the UK) which reminded me of this thread:

I guess this would apply to Ovi Store too.. It's in relation to the proposed "Digital Economy" legislation in the UK

http://www.antipope.org/charlie/blog...imbeciles.html is the relevant blog entry. He isn't known for his tendency to understate, but I would think that if you are a sole-trader developer type planning to publish on Ovi Store (or, indeed, the Apple equivalent) you might want to investigate lobbying opportunities before this is set into law.

Re: Confirmed/CAUTION: N900 Ovi Apps require Corporation + $1M USD Corporate General Liability Insurace
 

Oh the drama.