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Texrat 2010-01-06 03:12

Re: N900 - Yes, it sucks.
 
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Originally Posted by salomc (Post 455035)
This phenomenon occurs only here...

That's delusional.

salomc 2010-01-06 03:21

Re: N900 - Yes, it sucks.
 
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Originally Posted by Texrat (Post 455055)
There have been many, many constructive and objective points of view expressed in this forum, on the N900 and other topics.

Megacrazy's posts do not fit either description. They are abject rants.

What Megacrazy tried to tell is: what is the objective of a gadget that tries to do almost everything, but can't get to do it really right or do in a too complicated manner (user experience point of view).

N900 should be only a gadget, not a passion, or a idealization - that's religion, or everything else told in the previous post.

I'm retiring. Sorry, no offense to anyone. Bye!

mysticrokks 2010-01-06 03:45

Re: N900 - Yes, it sucks.
 
megacrazy post asnt that bad,it made sense.. people hated the fact that in his opinion nokia have allready failed- he may be right, lets hope not though

Slick 2010-01-06 14:09

Re: N900 - Yes, it sucks.
 
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Originally Posted by jjx (Post 390449)
I agree, those videos show a clear difference in scrolling and general rendering speed between the two devices.

I don't agree,not completely anyway. No I'm not sticking my head in the sand on this I notice subtle differences in how he's handling it. It might just be me but he seems to play around on the engadget page before actually doing the speed scrolls, to me that's letting the iphone work on caching the page.

The maemo browser renders everything correctly, so that bit about it doesn't show the page correctly is hog wash. The zoom and scrol thing is CLEARLY imo a bug I can kind of see what's causing it. If his pages aren't rendering correctly it is in fact having a problem then I encourage him to flash or return his phone for a exchange.

Will that fix his scrolling/rendering speed issue ? No. For a number of reasons:

1. The way he's using the device is impractical(zooming in to scroll fast???) and even the iphone behaves and shows almost exactly the same rendering speed issues while renderingLESS items. That page has flash running on it, the iphone is skipping that entirely.

2. The browser isn't leveraging the full speed of the hardware(hard for me to explain what I am seeing), if nokia provides support for this device instead of focusing attention to the n910 this problem will be improved but I do think the whole thing is unreasonable as my lenovo netbook can stutter(not often but enough that I noticed) on some of those engadget pages.

3. I hate to bring this up but I distinctly remember testing the 1st iphone when it was launched and it's rendering was worse and slowly improved over time to what you see now with the iphone 3gs.

Am I defending Nokia, NO, they need to address all the problems and support the n900 more then they need to release the n910. I know I won't buy one if they aren't going to support the n900 after it's release.

Come to think of it anyone who would is imo not very smart. Basically Nokia has to support the n900 or they will lose market share and eventually be bought out by MS or worse make windows mobile phones exclusively. If ms doesn't learn too much from them and go elsewhere for a top smartphone line.

I might to a video about the maemo page rendering thing but I'm lazy

schettj 2010-01-06 14:36

Re: N900 - Yes, it sucks.
 
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Originally Posted by Slick (Post 455543)
or they will lose market share and eventually be bought out by MS or worse make windows mobile phones exclusively.

Wow, I seriously doubt that is a risk. MS doesn't do hardware, and if they were shopping for phone company you would think HTC would be the natural choice, since they make 90% of all winmo phones.

I don't believe nokia even makes a single winmo phone. Thankfully ;)

Slick 2010-01-06 14:51

Re: N900 - Yes, it sucks.
 
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Originally Posted by Laughing Man (Post 390637)
While all the videos are interesting the tests need to be conducted in a similar fashion. Same website, same attempted scrolling speed.

why test 1 site test 20 or more

Slick 2010-01-06 23:30

Re: N900 - Yes, it sucks.
 
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Originally Posted by schettj (Post 455583)
Wow, I seriously doubt that is a risk. MS doesn't do hardware, and if they were shopping for phone company you would think HTC would be the natural choice, since they make 90% of all winmo phones.

I don't believe nokia even makes a single winmo phone. Thankfully ;)

zune....360.... It might happen

http://www.ubergizmo.com/15/archives...ws-mobile.html

It might happen

http://www.windowsliveformobile.com/...a/default.aspx

Ok Ok it could happen

http://www.engadget.com/2005/02/14/n...rom-microsoft/

http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/27/s...or-pragmatism/

http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/12/m...ng-to-symbian/

http://www.engadget.com/2005/02/14/n...windows-media/

I see lots of speculation

http://www.engadget.com/2005/02/14/n...windows-media/

It could happen

Let's face it right now the only area apple is leading MS imo is phones

Let's face it the n97 was underpowered and as a result a disappointment, the n900 is the latest wow device they have released. If they don't stand behind it a backlash will follow from lots of people who took the plunge trying to go a different route on unsubsidized vs subsidized contracted phones.

It's a big shake up in the states. The one thing that'll bury them is word of mouth as they DON'T advertise in the states. The states could easily be a growth market if they simply support the device and advertise.

schettj 2010-01-06 23:50

Re: N900 - Yes, it sucks.
 
None of those links have anything more to do with nokia and MS other then nokia getting the info it needs to provide exchange sync for symbian and other nokia devices.

The rumor last month was that Nokia would buy Palm. I guess next month it will be that IBM will buy Microsoft?

Texrat 2010-01-06 23:52

Re: N900 - Yes, it sucks.
 
Microsoft is not big enough to buy Nokia.

ndi 2010-01-07 01:07

Re: N900 - Yes, it sucks.
 
It's big enough to make a collaboration happen, not exclusively, perhaps, but enough to move a series to Mobile. I could see an M class Nokia with Mobile and phasing out N and E.

I'm not saying it'll happen, just sizing up. MS writes good software (flame on!) and "free" OS and apps for Nokia means more cash in hardware, meaning more cash for both. MinMo is nothing to sneeze at.


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