Re: N900 - Yes, it sucks.
 

I really can't do much about you being 100% proof to arguments. The only thing you're able to accept is that people AGREE with you. So sorry, but in such circumstances I can't serve you with anything you'd consider valid.

I had no idea what website you used as my video was an answer (requested by my forum users) to a QUOTE from your message posted on my forums, which did not mention which site you had problems with. I found this thread some 20 hours after publishing the video. Dates speak for themselves.

I scrolled the pages at a zoom level I normally use. If you're used to iPhone's zoom levels where you constantly need to scroll left & right and up & down then it really isn't my fault.

Ask those who host the site the feed comes from to be more active. I really can't do much about them publishing so rarely.

Because in your original message you didn't say ANYTHING about the widget. Instead you ran a competition of namecalling about the N900 not supporting A2DP at all. Be more precise next time and you'll get more precise feedback.

Because I am a free man in a free world and I can freely express my opinions about anything, including the iPhone, which for me isn't a holy cow.

And what would you expect people to compare it to? Feature phones?

Your videos aren't religious dogmas no one is allowed to disagree with. What's cr*ppy for you does not automatically have to be cr*ppy for everyone else.

Well, according to what you compared the N900 with, it's..... YOU.

I have different sense of "talking" than constantly using words like cr*p, garbage, etc. That's where we differ.

And what does it have to do with scrolling in browser getting unsmooth for 3 miliseconds? Do you consider it a platform-wide issue? Or maybe it's the Linux kernel responsible for that?

Because three years from now, when Nokia releases N990 and it has an issue, you will say that it is a three year old platform and such issues shouldn't be happening. Do you sense the analogy?

No offence, but your problems (no matter if petty or serious) don't interest me much and I have much better things to do than recording such videos at 4:00 in the morning. I posted the video ON REQUEST of users of my forum so that THEY can jugde themselves if the issues are of any importance FOR THEM. THEY requested it so they got it.

I'd suggest that you contact Nokia and have the unit replaced. The Korean worker who assembled your phone must have had a very bad day or too much alcohol the day before. That's the only explanation I can give considering that the browser on my device does not crash and the phone doesn't stop accepting calls. And, as I said, I've been using the N900 daily since the beginning of September.

Or maybe, considering that I got the phone from Nokia, they made a BETTER unit especially for me :cool:

As long as it explains why scrolling on the N900 may be slower, which is the issue you are complaining about, YES.

Yeah, how about it? Strangely, it doesn't seem to be happening on mine, and not even on the early proto I had before.

I couldn't be farther from making excuses for Nokia than I am. My N900 preview had a longer list of drawbacks than advantages and the full review I'm going to post soon will have an even longer one, now that I know that some of the issues weren't prototype only but got to the final release.

But my experiences just CAN be different than yours, things that annoy or disappoint me CAN be different than what annoys or disappoints you, and I also MAY have different NEEDS and EXPECTATIONS than you causing that what makes the N900 a "crap" and a "garbage" for you, for me isn't of absolutely ANY importance.

For instance, I'd happily agree to have that scrolling issue in the browser over the next FIVE YEARS in exchange for Nokia giving me voice dialling (a must for me) and full navigation software ASAP.

As you can see: DIFFERENT PEOPLE, DIFFERENT NEEDS AND EXPECTATIONS. Just because for someone your issues aren't that important (while some others - uniportant for you - are) doesn't make one a paid Nokia fanboy.

And knowing all the above so clearly, why did you get such a cr*ppy product of such a cr*ppy company IN THE FIRST PLACE? Shouldn't you be more CAUTIOUS if you have such a tragic experiences with them and their cr*ppy phones?

I'd say next time test drive their product before buying, or blame yourself...

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Search for "random reboots" - it was in the context to whom I was responding to earlier.

Here, I've done the work for you - [ enjoy ]

That's you. There are others that are saying otherwise. It's a few people, but it's happening. Cannot deny that.

Of course you are. Even when they're wrong, or hyperbole. Continue...

And sadly, people keep talking about the iPhone when... it's a non-issue. Somebody say something bad about the N900... "GO BACK TO YOUR IPHONE!"

Meh.

I don't accept fanboys of any type. I think even you can understand that statement.

You have a site that supports another, single market (by name and admission). And if this is how you run your site, I kindly decline.

Only when aptitude, attitude, ineptitude or inability to hear is imminent. I seem to be dealing with one of the above.

I have you people for that. Tell how it's not buggy.

[ Won't charge ]
[ Bricked already ]
[ Mic problems ]
[ Mem card corrupted ]

And search the bug reports. 77+ bugs, about 5-7 are critical. That's not bad, but that's not what I'd call "not buggy". Savvy?

How did I twist it? iPhone ain't perfect. There are no filler words in that sentence. Don't add any more, I think my curt responses disallow for that.

Or it should. Toodles.

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No, I'm a complete hack, but I consider myself a better-than-average Googler. I do submit snippets to forums occasionally and I've ported stuff to where no one as gone before; maybe 2010 will be the year of the daperl desktop. And although I'm formally trained in the computer sciences, I do as much begging, borrowing and stealing as I do reading API references and tutorials. The Maemo repositories are a gold mine: There's everything from "Hello World" to building your own kernel. I also highly recommend the PyGTK examples and demos. Next step, Qt...

Good to hear. Would you mind telling me a little about your technical background and types of projects that interest you? In the meantime, here are some links:

http://maemo.org/development/
http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/...eveloper_Guide
http://pymaemo.garage.maemo.org/
http://www.pygtk.org/pygtk2tutorial/index.html
http://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listi...emo-developers

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It remains to be seen if it's an n900 + firmware issue or just a hardware defect. Considering not everyone is having the same problem. If it's a defect issue it's not an issue of being buggy, rather it's there needs to be even better quality control.

Re: N900 - Yes, it sucks.
 

For the third time: why do you expect me to search for what I have thoroughly tested on MY OWN device?

I am very sorry for those who have such issues, but what am I supposed to do? Damage my N900 so that it develops the same problem? Solidarity in pain?

Or maybe I am supposed not to talk about not having such issues myself so that it does not annoy those who prefer to only see complaints?

YEAH, that's ME. And I am speaking for MYSELF and describing MY experiences. Others speak for THEMSELVES and describe THEIR experiences. What is your problem with that? Do you want me to start telling everyone that my N900 reboots itself while it doesn't? Or should I keep in secret that my N900 does not freeze or reboot?

Let everyone say their OWN experiences.

It'd be really terrific if you showed me where did I ever deny that other people have such an issue. As far as my poor memory tells me, the only thing I wrote was that I don't have it. Doesn't it make a CLEAR difference?

Because, for mysterious reasons, 99,9% of those who say so are former (or still) iPhone users. Pure coincidence, isn't it.

If you want to start name calling, why don't we switch to private correspondence? Then I'll teach you some new sexy words.

Fortunately, 130.000 registered users and up to 50.000 visitors a day have a different opinion if they keep coming back, some of them since the very beginning in 1999.

Maybe you should try to launch your own website and see if you can run it that long and have that many returning visitors. Then we'll talk about what level of objectivity and honesty it takes to make people stay with you for that long.

If I ever lied about quality of any of all those 100's of Symbian smartphones that were being discussed and reviewed on my website over those 10 years, thousands of people would call me a liar on all existing forums, mailing lists, and wherever else possible, everytime I'd show up. Strangely, it never happened. On the contrary, majority of people visiting my site come to it because - as they say - they consider my reviews highly objective and reliable, and confirmed by themselves after buying the phones I was reviewing and commenting on.

If you think that after exchanging three posts with me over the last 2 hours you know me better than them and you are entitled to consider me a liar, fanboy and fanatic only because I dare to say that I do not experience the issues a few (as you said yourself) other people complain about, then - well - be my guest. You're not the first, and surely not the last, hostile (and way too fast at judging other people) person I've met, so it does not impress me much.

I have never said that the N900 is bugless. Consult your eyesight with an experienced eye doctor, maybe it's not to late to cure it.

Now kindly excuse me for not replying to your further posts, but I don't think we have anything left to talk about and this great community does not deserve having to read a discussion on this awful level you provoked.

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That's more than one person/phone.

However, in my case... when I ranted about the iPhone here, I was also just one person. A quick Google search and I found out I wasn't the only person.

It was still an OS update issue in my case. In the aforementioned cases, I'm willing to bet that OS updates will fix most of these issues that aren't exactly hardware issues.

And defects do happen. I know that quite well too. I'm patient enough to see if things shake out a bit.

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Because you're just one person. You don't have random reboots. That thread has 3-4 people that do.

It happens. You were lucky. You stated that yourself.

No, you can simply do what I stated. Search for evidence that it has happened. It's just that simple.

If you want to continue down this path of hyperbole... yes. God yes... shotgun shells + your N900 = their pain.

Seriously dude, stop with the exaggerations. I feel like I'm talking to my 8 year old son. A rock that skips three or four times on the lake... he says it's a million.

You're doing the same.

How about talking about the fact that there are indeed people having problems. You're running random reboot free. You have the phone. Why not compare your findings with theirs instead of arguing about the fact that there are indeed some bugs with me.

If I had the phone, it's what I'd do. It's what I tend to do on the limited areas I can answer with my N810. Just sayin...

And back to my original statement... people talk about their own experiences and if it is negative, the piranha come out in mass.

Ever wonder why those people would leave the "comfort" of an iPhone? It has a lot of room where things a power user would enjoy if it where there. The N900 should have it, but if it's buggy... and the iPhone is established as buggy, it's still just a buggy experience in all. Now... let's analyze that in laymen terms.

Phone A is deemed buggy.
Phone B just came out, is also deemed buggy.

I have no reason to have faith in Phone A or Phone B. That's why people are bellyaching. They're stuck with phones that do not support "growth" in the very simple way that I'm not avoiding a buggy experience at all.

As far as I personally go, I'll be damned if I pay for another set of bugs to replace my current set of bugs. Get it right or get none of my dollars. That's how I am.

Do not add words; they're not needed.

gerbick [at] gmail [dot] com

Add me, e-mail me, so be it. You want to take it that personal, I'm actually that damn bored to allow myself to be entertained.

Congrats on your site. I'm just not a Symbian fan. Never have been.

Again, kudos to you. Anything else personal you wish to wag about?

Whomever said you lied? Please quote it.

Nope. I just know that you're not somehow assimilating what I've stated at all.

Thank you for stating something you didn't state prior to now explicitly. And I have 20/20 vision, but thank you for the concern.

Likewise. Continued success with your site. It is, and I'm not being sarcastic, something to be very proud of. Take care.

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I'd totally marry Gerbick if I either was gay or a chick.
Since I'm neither I'll just admire him from a distance in a completely non-sexual way.

On a serious note, it's refreshing to see posts that are not colored by fanboyism and I think this forum could use a whole lot more "Gerbicks" and a whole lot less "You don't like the N900? Go suck off your iPhone again then!"-mentality.

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You don't want to be like me... I say the unpopular things around here.

Re: N900 - Yes, it sucks.
 

you dont say unpopular things you make good points, only problem is you become a egotistical **** doing it

Re: N900 - Yes, it sucks.
 

Reported...

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cool go run and grass like i'm scared i've been reported on website
omg you guys need to fix up and stopp being so bloody nerdy

i'm another who as little go wrong with the device no mic problem, not a single reboot, no charging problems, no memory problems.
you going to troll on me now too b/c i'm saying i have working device with nothing wrong.
am i telling lies too

Re: N900 - Yes, it sucks.
 

Was this written from the N900?

Re: N900 - Yes, it sucks.
 

iPhone set my expectations. No matter that this device can do some stuff iPhone can't, its a newer device; scrolling should be as good as iPhone AND capable of linux :) There is no excuse

Re: N900 - Yes, it sucks.
 

You must be kidding. half a second delay every second integrated over 3 minutes of time... Its a joke. At least the RSS...

Re: N900 - Yes, it sucks.
 

Thanks. I guess because I make points, keep my stance and somehow tried to stay relevant to the OP I'm... as you stated.

Much appreciated. And I won't be reporting you. No need. I'll just rather stick to the facts about what I stated earlier... there are some bugs, when people say otherwise, the piranhas come out and bite.

If that's ego, it's my ego that wishes that this phone replaced what I've been agonizing about for over 2 years. And if I can help fix it, be it by asking questions, watching what people with the phone are saying, or later getting my hands on the phone, so be it... I'll do that too.

Re: N900 - Yes, it sucks.
 

Are you trying to say that I am the only person on this whole maemo.org forum who DOESN'T have random reboots? Now, that's REALLY interesting. It must be MY eyesight that's broken then, because what I see is that it's the small MINORITY that has such issues, and not vice versa. But I'm just a fanatic fanboy, so I'm obviously biassed and plainly wrong.

Eyesight issues, again... So, for the fourth time: I *DO* acknowledge that 3-4 other people have such an issue. And I deeply compassionate with them. However, I do not have it. Keep blaming me for that if it makes you happy, I *really* can't (or want to) do anything about it.

And what do you expect me to say, other than I am deeply sorry about them, which I already said several times?

I am not Nokia, I can't fix it for them, you know? All I can do is to compassionate with them, and - to be honest - be happy that my unit is not affected. I really waited long for this device, actually ever since I got the N800 years ago and then the N810 I dreamed about Maemo device with GSM/3G radio. I got it and I enjoy it very much, and that's because I find it stable and fast. If it had serious bugs, I would complain about it as much as those other people, and as much as I complained about (or actually CONDEMNED) the N97 for all its bugs and issues and refused to review it on my site as I found it NOT SUITABLE for review. Does this also make a fanboy of me?

And, as I wrote, in my N900 review to be published next week, I *will* include quite a long list of things I don't like about the N900 or find annoying or affecting its functionality. These include many things, from lack of GPS navigation, MMS, voice dialing, etc. to small (but annoying) things like the main view of Email application not showing any indication of new emails (which requires that you need to enter each account to check if there's anything new there) or the App Manager lists returning to the beginning after each installation and lacking any functions to quickly locate an application (search, or even just pressing a key to quickly go to apps starting with the corresponding letter), or the Extras screen not having any icon management functions, or impossibility to set individual ringtones for contacts, or create own contact groups, and LOTS more. Again, does it make a fanboy of me?

I just have DIFFERENT issues than others and get annoyed by DIFFERENT things than others.

I couldn't care less about scrolling in browser slowing down for a fraction of a second. But I can't stand not having voice dialing on a Nokia phone in 2010. And I *WILL* complain about it in my review.

I did compare my experiences with theirs. I acknowledge that they have an issue which I don't have. I fail to see what else can I do about that specific issue.

The only thing I am arguing with you about is that all I wrote was that I don't have the issue those other people have, while you stubbornly convince everyone (including me) that I said something different as if my posts weren't there for everyone to check what I said.

Do WHAT, other than saying that the issue some guys have is not present on yours and hasn't occured even once over 3 months of very extensive, daily use?

Oh, so in addition to fanboy and fanatic I am now also the piranha... I really admire your offending skills.

Me? Compare how many insulting words I wrote in my posts addressed to you (ZERO, NONE, NULL) to all those piranhas, fanatics and fanboys you throwed at me and then we'll talk about who's pushing this discussion to personal squabbles.

See above.

Re: N900 - Yes, it sucks.
 

Well the resolution is rarely the problem. I think the CPU/memory in combination with non-optimal software is the problem. Also iPhone and n900 does not have the same hardware. The iPhone GPU is twice as fast as the n900 GPU.

Re: N900 - Yes, it sucks.
 

I'd say if I'm buying the flagship from a company I do expect a certain amount of performance from the product itself. I will except shortcomings too but within reason.. and will absolutely not accept excuses like "well the phone can also do this this n this.. iphone cant.. so its ok the n900 is slower"

eg. I like too zoom in and read the text and I'm definitely facing rendering delays between acceptable to simply unacceptable(esp if I scroll upwards). Don't know if anyone needs else is facing it or not.

And I'm just unhappy at nokia for not correcting this and other bugs before it shipped and hoping at the same time they fix the thing asap.


@mysymbian
Its good that you don't seem to face issues but then other people are. I don't know what to put this down to though, firmware, hardware or even perception.

@ Laughing Man
really hope its just a FW issue. It'll be horrible to have to go through the whole process of getting a replacement :mad:


Yeah I'd like to see the device perform better and It'll only get better by a collective feedback. Ranting and arguments and the "go back to iPhone" won't.

Bugzilla still seems like something a normal user may not be very comfortable using. Not everyone is a geek, remember. How bout having a thread/this thread exist for users to list the problems they have/may think they have with their n900, and then reply/suggest rather than going berserk.


PS: atleast the phone has a screen shot capability. so putting the conversation app bug showing entries from my call logs :D.
any ideas how to remove it? Normal delete isn't working and formatting isn't my preferred option.

http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/7067/...9112601325.png


browser bug at maemo.org, the page numbers at the bottom (if again no one has it I will be convinced my phone was made by a drunk and get it replaced :p)
http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/1451/...9112602381.png

Re: N900 - Yes, it sucks.
 

If the iPhone GPU is twice faster than the N900 one as you're saying then how can one expect graphic performance of the N900 to be at the same level as on the 3Gs, especially at over twice higher resolution? Isn't it in such case just PLAINLY IMPOSSIBLE?

So maybe we shouldn't talk about the BUG but about hardware limitation?

Re: N900 - Yes, it sucks.
 

I would think the review would be more complete and helpful if you added shortcomings that you found and still may not care about :)

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Sure I could agree on that, It could very well be hardware. I dont expect the same graphics performance, I expect the iPhone to be better in that regard. But web-browsing or RSS reading is not based on GPU at all, but CPU/software. Since the CPU is the same, all I can guess at is that maemo is the bottleneck. What you give in the carousel you loose in the merry-go-round :)

Make a more powerful OS but keep same CPU... its gonna be slower =D

Re: N900 - Yes, it sucks.
 

Oh, my God. Haven't I said like 10 times or so that I DO ACKNOWLEDGE it? What else am I expected to do? I am Michal Jerz, and not Nokia Corporation. I come here to talk about my experiences. I do not have the power to solve people's problems with their Nokia phones.

They have the issue and they write about it. I don't have the issue and I write about it. Someone comes to this forum and can read that there are some people who have such issue and some who don't. Isn't it how it actually SHOULD BE?

Is this some kind of matrix or what? I spent half of the night on repeating that I see, understand and accept that several people have the problem. But I just don't have it, so I'm really sorry but I just CAN'T complain about it.

WHAT else am I supposed to do?

Send the phone back to Nokia as a protest against OTHER PEOPLE having the issue I don't have?

Oh, gosh.

Re: N900 - Yes, it sucks.
 

I will mention all shortcomings I found, even if I consider them of little importance.

But I definitely WON'T write about issues I didn't experience at all. If my N900 hasn't "randomly rebooted" even once, then I just WON'T complain about it, because it is my review.

Regarding the "scrolling issue", it's not that I found it but consider it of low importance. I actually don't consider it an issue at all. That's maybe because so far I was using those cr*ppy Symbian phones, mainly of that cr*ppy manufacturer, and not the super-smooth iPhone.... Or maybe I am that little demanding.

Re: N900 - Yes, it sucks.
 

Relax. I was writing that post while you posted this. Just missed it thats all :p

http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...&postcount=378

And NO I don't expect you to solve my problems. I was just confused as to what the reasons for differing performances could be HW/FW

Re: N900 - Yes, it sucks.
 

Maybe people reporting performance or stability related issues should mention what is the hardware ID of their devices. There have been quite many different hardware versions of the N900, at least when it comes to protos. But maybe also the final units have different hardware versions.

When you download the N900 flasher and the latest firmware and you unpack the .bin image of the firmware with flasher, you will see that there are separate packages for different hardware buillds and that there are something like TWENTY different hardware builds supported by that firmware, ranging from 2101 to 2020 or so. And there were even more hardware versions before that, for example my prototype was 1501. The final unit is 2101.

Hardware ID can be checked in e.g. /proc/component_version

Maybe it'll turn out that there are some hardware differences between units and that's what causes that some people have problems and others don't?

So maybe the fanatic fanboy's unit simply has different hardware and that's why it is not affected by issues some other people have, and not because he is a fanatic fanboy?

Re: N900 - Yes, it sucks.
 

Don't push that iphone drivel at me. I don't give a damn about the iphone. Have been with symbian only for the past 6 years and while the web browsing capability and speed is a huge improvement from the past but the experience is still clunky at times(atleast for me).

I'm here to have a constructive discussion with other members and I suggest you keep to the same :)


PS: can you explain again where the hardware ID is?

Re: N900 - Yes, it sucks.
 

I think people should stop excusing n900 issues with the argument that iPhone also had issues 2 years ago.

I want a flashship device that works reasonably well and at a level of user experience that is on par with other flagship devices _today_. n900 is a mixed bag, perhaps too mixed for my taste. Way more problems than was reported on xda-developers with my HTC device when I bought it.

Re: N900 - Yes, it sucks.
 

I think you would have a better point if you held your finger on the screen with alot of pressure and scrolled really slow while reading and the screen is unresponsive or jerky. What your doing is flicking the screen really fast, faster than any normal person can read whats going on in the screen. Is there slightly a small problem..yes, is it a big deal in the sense that it would ruin your day to day experience..no.

Re: N900 - Yes, it sucks.
 

N900 has over twice as many pixels on the screen as iPhone 3GS. Assuming as-smooth scrolling from same processor on heavy-content webpages seems unrealistic to me. Not saying N900 couldn't be optimized (perhaps it can), just saying, to me, the performance and scrolling is very usable and the high-resolution makes viewing web pages and album covers much more useful than on the iPhone/iPod touch.

Certainly there are applications and areas of the operating system that will still need work.

This is not Nokia's flagship phone. The N97 is (not that it is all great). N900 is a developer/mobile computer device. Maemo 6 will be the first flagship...

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If you want a flagship device, don't get the N900. It's as simple as that really.

What more do you want. That we all publicly proclaim that "it sucks", because it isn't polished enough for solpete yet?

This "blame game" is just ugly pettiness. You look objectively at the capabilities and flaws of a device and then you make a buying decision, that's how it works.

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People have different standards. I would irritate myself too much on that. I am a fast scroller, not grandpa. In my opinion, Its CRAP.

Re: N900 - Yes, it sucks.
 

I want to like the n900, Its just that I get really irritated when scrolling isnt smooth. I have had the HTC tytn II for the last two years. I want to bang the phone in the wall almost every day for it being so laggy. I dont want to be there with the n900 in a year or so.

I actually dont think there is one phone out there that I would be happy with, I am that picky... The reason for me being here on this forum is that n900 seems to be the best choice for me. And I want to like it.

-HTC HD2 ... winmo... go **** yerself.
-n900 buggy as hell, slow browser (whatever my-symbian says, I saw it in his videos aswell). And Ovimaps is a big, big joke.
-Droid ... well I want a keyboard...
-x10 ... dont wanna wait till late Q1...
-iPhone... dunno I dont like the fact that everyone has one

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Yep, it's all about who's looking at it and what you compare it to. The scrolling issue, in my opinion, is totally just a matter of what you are used to. The N900 in those videos looks much more smooth than my N810. And the web page scrolling looks as good as my HTC Hero (Android 1.5). On the other hand, scrolling between the home screens looks quite laggy to me, certainly not up to my Android device's smoothness and in fact pretty bad-looking, to me. I've seen that in previous videos too...it does NOT look smooth when people move between the home screens. I hope they fix that, as flicking through home screens is the first thing anybody will probably do when they pick up the device for the first time. Not the best first impression if you come from Android/iPhone.

Anyway, had you shown those videos to me before I got my Hero phone, I would've said there's absolutely nothing wrong with them. Compared to the N810, they're a huge improvement. But as you see more of these new phones (iPhone, Androids etc.) expectations rise...it's only normal. Video smoothness etc. multimedia has never been exactly the strong point of Linux, anyway.

If slight lag in scrolling turns off people from this device then it just proves that the platoform is not quite ready for all mainstream users, those who are picky about these issue...and frankly, many of us already know that it's not quite finished and decided to skip getting this beta device and being furious at Nokia for its shortcomings anyway :)

Re: N900 - Yes, it sucks.
 

It's interesting to me as a non tech person who is quickly trying to get up to speed on Linux, porting things over, programming languages, etc etc, that the people who have reported not having too many problems are the ones who seem to have the most experience with programming, software etc etc side of things. I perfectly expect my inexperienced self to cause a host of problems from my lack of knowledge when I HOPEFULLY get my N900 here in Germany. Just wondering what the background is of Megacrazy, solpete and gerbick. The people on this thread who have reported the least amount of problems were those given pre-production models. Those given pre-production models have to be a somebody in the sense that they weren't giving them out to random people on the street. It's obvious the N900 has problems, I just don't understand the venom in some of these attacks on the device. My job is to teach mediation and negotiation skills here in Germany. Your arguments megacrazy, solpete and gerbick are merit based with facts. However, how you are presenting those arguments and failing to recognize what others are saying is quite disheartening. No one isn't saying you are having the problems you are having. They are just pointing out they haven't had those problems and even biased websites (Endgadget) said the browser experience is second to none.

So, what I've got from the posts in this thread are, some of you are saying what numerous other reviews, youtube videos and members here are saying is the strength of the device (browser) is actually not on par with your expectations or even the performance of older devices? There is a consistent lag, white spaces, gets worse the during use? In addition, there are a host of other bugs that make you question why you bought the device in the first place yes?

Now, the other camp, txtrat, my-symbian and others are saying yes, there are bugs, however the issue with the browser scrolling and random reboots is not one of them. Yes?

Ok, so the question is, txtrat and my-symbian.. where did you get YOUR N900s because I want mine to be made by THAT person cause these other guys sound like they got ripped off. I am willing to compensate you for that information of course to ensure I will not turn into an irate childish boob who starts threads that completely skew the mindset of potential buyers of the device.

And that's my 1 euro worth of opinion for today. Now back to reading manuals on programming languages!

Re: N900 - Yes, it sucks.
 

I just flicked through my home screens and there was nothing to complain about. Sure, I guess I could see it at times skip a frame, but the motion was fast and end-result very usable.

Maybe it is just me, but I associate seriously bad scrolling with slowness and judder that causes usability problems. That is not what I am experiencing with the home screen or the browser or the media-player. Sure, maybe they can and should continue to smoothen things since they seem to irritate people, but the most important thing, usability is in my opinion very much there. At - again - over twice the pixels on screen compared to iPhone 3GS.

Just to be sure I flicked through a couple of more home screens and again, nothing wrong, nothing to complain about in my opinion. It does what I ask it to do and it does it fast. Very usable.

Why does that need proving? Everybody should know it is not ready for mainstream users, even Nokia says that is Maemo 6 time. This is an open mobile computer for developers and tech-heads. From that perspective and with those expectations, I've yet to see anything like in on the market, anything from a mainstream company anyway which has a half a chance at a future as a platform.

Re: N900 - Yes, it sucks.
 

i didnt read this whole thread but my point on a few things:

1> playlist

huh? Thats SOOO simple to create and it is for me exactly how i think it should be... I open up my collection in Artist or Album mode (i do miss the album artist view by the way!!) then i select an album and i long press to get the context menu or go through the top menu and say add to current play list.. I do that a bit more, searching (just typing the first chars) and i add a few albums more. Then go to the media players current play list and say: Save play list -> fill in the name and done.
Then when i want to play i dont go to artist or albums view but playlist view and yes its there and i can play it.

It could be me but that is exactly how i think it should work.

2> Browser not smooth

I have created my play list so now i play my songs. then i open up the browser and load engadget.com. Then i start scrolling. smooth as it could be no lag at all. So i dont get what i do wrong to not get the smooth scrolling.

Re: N900 - Yes, it sucks.
 

When it comes to switching home screens i don't see lag there either. My reference devices would be 2G ipod touch and Zune HD.

Not saying that scrolling dosen't need to get better elsewhere in the device... because it needs, but don't see problems with home screens.

Re: N900 - Yes, it sucks.
 

Yes it sucks and mine doesent even work MIC KNACKED customer care what a BIG JOKE.

Re: N900 - Yes, it sucks.
 

I just did the same. Opened media-player to play a song, went to the browser to scroll around the fairly picture-heavy front pages of CNN.com and GameSpot.com. I flicked around with the stylus... all super-fast in my opinion and extremely usable.

Best online experience on a mobile device I've ever had. One can actually use these large sites on this device... on the iPod touch I'd get frustrated so fast.

Even the Flash ads on the way to GameSpot.com played well without any judder to Flash or music. I don't know if that is such a big bonus, though. :)

During the whole testing session the music skipped twice, very briefly, during loading and layout of the larger pages, when I was scrolling during layout/loading and otherwise abusing the browser by flicking madly around. Nothing to write home (or here) about, same I get under load at times on my MacBook Pro too. What is something to write home and here about is how well the browser handles large sites and how usable it is.

Really impressive stuff.