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Bear in mind, in some countries people really do upgrade hardware every 1-2 years "for free".

Their mobile contracts subsidise the handset, and they become eligible for a "free" upgrade after enough contract time has expired, and not necessarily eligable to lower the contract rental price if they don't take a new handset.

Because of that, it's not entirely irrational for a developer like Nokia to assume that a fair proportion of the user base will move onto new hardware.

I kept one handset for ~7 years and consider the whole upgrade cycle rather crazy, but you really can get shiny new kit quite regularly if you play along, even on low cost contracts.

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You're obviously upset about being called a fanboy. Look at how you're acting... overly emphatic about something that you're only a customer about and defending a stance based on only one (read: your) account.

If you can't take words like piranhas, fanboy, et al and have to resort to sheer anger, perhaps you need to remove your feelings and communicate civilly.

I have.

I expect nothing from you... but I sure as heck will ask the questions about people having issues because they're going to give me the insight if my purchase will be worth it or not. The happy customers are equally important, but if problems remain unresolved, I'm not buying.

Seems like this community is interested in helping folks... mostly.

But you're a part of an open source community which means that if you know how to code, you can fix things.

Nope. Makes you a passionate customer. If that's what you're upset about, a misnomer that really wasn't even waved in your direction, then so be it. I'll apologize.

And you now possess my e-mail. Feel free to send me a note when you post your review. I'd be interested to read it.

Takes two to argue, I'd rather discuss.

I'm not saying you've ignored those people, it just seems like talking about those things instead of talking about the positive points is going on way too much around here. I've been rather vocal about the shortcomings of the iPhone. I simply cannot go to another phone with a new set of similar problems I've had to endure - No MMS, a few UI inconsistencies, random reboots (yep, I've had 4 iPhones that have done that) and other pertinent information (read: pertinent to me due to my experiences) is what I'm personally looking at and going after.

Never knew a fictitious term and an Amazon River fish would lead to this. If it upset you, perhaps you need to view why. I was defending the spread of some information - which in regards to the OP, I think was brashly, harshly, and above all quite uninformative to begin with... but with more questions, not hard interrogation, the true issues and others with similar issues would come forth perhaps.

Instead... well, you know. Sad that curiosity is met with vitriol.

You wanted my information so you could send me very colorfol metaphors (paraphrase) when all I've stated were: fanboys, piranhas. Two words led to anger, a seemingly threatening tone and an typed inflection that I deem over the top in regards to what I've stated.

If anything, typing in all caps online is considered "shouting". Asking a person for their personal data so you can share your wealth of "colorful verbiage" (another paraphrase) is a threat. And I've maintained a very calm demeanor and yet the fuss is all about two words and not what I'm talking about instead... that's misdirection due to perceived anger from you.

I'd rather discuss what the findings are. I have no need to discuss personal feelings or feel threatened. That's not what this community is about... nor should it become that either.

I'm done. Again, congrats with your site, I'll await a notice as to your review. I responded earlier with my personal e-mail in this thread. I have nothing to hide, I'm a curious potential owner that wants to know the good and the bad sans Steve Jobs reality distortion field half-truths. My patience will not allow it.

Take care.

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What issues with Android are you referring to, I have had a G1 since launch. The browser was always kick *** (no flash but thats pretty normal for mobile phone browsers..) GMail integration was flawless. I mean it was missing quite a few features but the ones that were there were pretty much bulletproof.

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Haha that video never gets old. That's how I felt when the iPhone finally got A2DP and I realized it had no AVRCP.

So far, the only strategy that seems to have worked is Apple's, which really pisses me off. They are control freaks but, to their credit, they brought order to the world of smartphones in 2 years. They have an app store, ipod functionality, easy backup via iTUnes etc. Essentially all you have to do is connect the phone to your PC and it's all done...I have not experienced that with ANY Nokia products so far.

Nokia is still stuck in "release new hardware every 6 months with the same crippled software" mode. Why and why should anybody even care? Android is also starting to take off so there are quite a few choices out there. I'm still amazed that 2-3 years later Nokia is still dazed from the iPhone. I am also amazed that I am stuck using a product I don't really like simply because it gets the job done extremely well.

Here's an example

iPhone:

1. Press sturdy button on top, slide finger on glass to unlock....great feeling.
2. Press safari and watch the butter smooth zoom efect while it oppens.
3. Start scrolling through the page looking for stuff...perfectly smooth scrolling.
4. Throw the phone back in my pocket...done.

N900:

1. LOOK for the button on the side and slide it down...or press the button on top.
2. If button on top, slide my finger across the display, watch the choppy animation of the slider...hmmm.
3. Press the browser and wonder what happened to the other 30 frames that were dropped from the zoom effect while it pops up
4. Go to a page and try scrolling while it's loading and watch checkered patterns for a good 5 seconds every time I scroll.
5. Done loading, I can finally find stuff.
6. LOOK for the button on the side to lock the phone and put it back in my pocket.

Open source is great and I love the ability to tinker with my devices to hell and back. Let's face it though...Does anybody here think open source can compete with paid for apps...with possibly dozens or paid programmers working on them? Maybe in a few rare cases...Generally though, open source translates to "it works" but that's about it. This will fall EXTREMELY short of the new standard, which is user experience. There are 20 billion phones out there and they all go online...However, only a few will do it smoothly. Enthusiasm is starting to change to dictatorial demands from consumers because of all these choices. It's my way or after the 20 second review you're out.

I would love to see the open source community step up their game but it hasn't happened in all this time with Linux, what makes you think it will happen with Maemo?

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This is getting a bit out of hand right guys, everything has flaws, after all its designed by humans. We have UI inefficiencies, we have physical button issues, we have open/close software issues, we have LED/xenon flash issues, LCD issues, you name it. NOTHING IS PERFECT.

The purpose of this thread is simply to provoke a response and keep it dragging as the title suggests.
If the hardware you bought didn't meet your expectations write about it on your blog.
If you have serious issues and want to resolve it by the help of the community I suggest a better title and provide better data with evidence.

For all those who are comparing phones, I have seen the average person who can't turn off BT on WinMo, a dude who can't turn off random internet access on his iPhone, another who don't know how to make a new contact on a Nokia, and the very common sync know how with iPhone/iPod. These are all average people. You can't make something suit everybody period.

The point is everything has cons & pros. Flaming around ain't gonna fix nothing.

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I don't think the point is flaming; Personally I get frustrated when I know Nokia can do better, but yet they keep doing the same sort-of-working-but-not-elegant cr@p. When you look at the iPhone's smooth scrolling, and then hear the n900 with the same hardware is all jerky and stuttery, how can that not tick you off? You know they COULD get it smooth, but because of schedules or whatever they didn't spend the time on it to perfect it.

And I think that's the problem. It seems like Apple doesn't release something until it's as perfect as possible. They don't even talk about stuff that is in the pipeline - the iPhone was only mentioned 5 months before rollout when for the most part the hardware and software was done. Nokia talks about the future devices way too early and they end up rushing everything to get it out as quickly as possible because everyone knows it's coming.

I think Nokia would be better served by NOT telling us what the roadmap is and releasing products after they're good and ready - They can't keep rushing everything to make some target that the marketers, and not the engineers, set.

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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I'm sorry, that was really funny. But seriously, Apple does a decent job but it's still far from perfect.

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Apple's laughing their way to the bank...

Of course stuff they make isn't perfect, I did write as perfect as possible but I should have wrote 'as polished as possible'. That's really what I wanted to say...

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Even then Apple's releases are buggy and updating the operating system whether it's the iPhone or Snow Leopard has had problems. Most people just don't remember that because they get blinded by the marketing.

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Android would like to call your open source complaints and raise you a great mobile phone OS. Maemo looks very competent from what I can tell without first hand experiences. Spending almost $600 to see it in my hand isn't something I'm excited about though.

Honestly, I don't think Maemo has a chance next to Google throwing $$ behind Android in the US. Maybe in Europe...

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Try telling that to the US customers :( where all the high end phones by Nokia are off contract.. anyways what I was talking about was nokia's attitude towards software upgrades based on their history.

Just look at the new competitors, the iphone. palm pre, android devices. They all do get upgrades, with obviously some features missing depending on hardware limitations.

best eg. is the iphone where the platform is supported over different hardware platforms.

I'm pretty sure nokia can easily afford to do it, the only problem is the lack of a monetary incentive to do it. But still will keep my fingers crossed and hope for the best

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I'm thinking there's another equally significant aspect: They've not had to do it before. They ship hundreds of phone models, get them out the door, move on, fix critical bugs perhaps, help networks to customise the firmware, maintain thousands of custom firmware instances. That's how it's been with non-Maemo handsets.

So they're probably not set up for long term support and ongoing development of a single handset. Many people working there won't be doing things that way. There's a whole tradition, habit, culture, working practices thing.

And they ship so many new models. Apple at least only has 3 iPhone models to support. That's quite different form Nokia's hundreds at any one time.

It'll be interesting to see if the Maemo group in Nokia manages to change this to be more like the Apple long term support model. Maybe they will, maybe they won't.

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Nokia's problem will be that they will simply be outnumbered by Android in the upcoming years (their threat is Android, not Apple). Nokia's apparantly solution is QT compatibility across Symbian and Maemo. Thus applications written for one will ideally work on the other with little issue. Then push Symbian down so all dumbphones eventually becomes smartphones running Symbian while Maemo is for the high end devices. Whether that will work, who knows. My money is more on Android but they have their own issues to work out too. For example, running everything through a byte code interpreter means application compatibility, but it also means that you aren't taking full advantage of the hardware.

Apple's path will be interesting since they will eventually have to break compatibility support with the existing iPhone models. Whether they set up their development kit to say scale applications will be interesting to see.

It'll be interesting to see where everyone is in the future. I wonder if it'll turn out like my prediction with Android having the dominant marketshare for phones, with Apple's iPhone and Maemo in its own markets (similar to how Apple has its own selective marketshare in PCs).

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Correct. But what worked then.. wont necessarily work now. Plus I really don't think that we'll be seeing the same number of device variations like we currently see with s60 handsets.

Breaking off product support eventually is fine. But the current timeline nokia has is a wee bit short.

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@Anthrobug, you should know better that just because the hardware is the at the same level doesn't mean the software has to be. After all I am sure Nokia doesn't only make 2 variants of its phone. There must be at least tens of models active in the development at any given time.

I don't wanna feed into this thread but what I said still stands, I have yet to see this perfection of anything.

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I would agree. But I don't hold out high hopes. After all, Nokia's main excuse for why the Diablo can't be upgraded to Fremantle was that the differences between OMAP 2 and OMAP 3 wouldn't allow it. And guess what? TI has announced OMAP 4.

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Exactly! We all know Nokia can do better ( Ex: E71, E72, E90-2 ), and this phone was suppose to be on par if not kill the iPhone. Nokia is expected to do better because of their long history with making unique and in high demand products. It's a given that when a new product comes out it'll undoubtedly have bugs, but when so many people have said that the OS for the N900 is unfinished, allot of bricked devices ( via maemo and Amazon forums ), and mics just don't work, obviously Nokia isn't treating this product like the flagship device it should be.

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LOL Knowing nokia i would actually be surprised if they did so :p

Would I still buy the n950 or whatever comes next. most likely. But it feels good to know that the old hardware will still get some love :D

and I really don't have any idea about omap 4. But isn't it based on the same instruction set but with SMP added for OSes that support it.

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I think Nokia's goal is not operating system compatibility but application compatibility. Thus regardless of the OS you run, you will be able to run the latest and greatest applications (Granted it may be slow depending on how much the developer coded them to take advantage of the hardware).

Like I pointed out above, trying to keep operating system compability will lead to problems that Android is facing now and eventually Apple will have to face unless they plan on sticking with that screen resolution for the rest of the iPhone's line existence.

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Yes of course, but what actually is that feature? What does not work as advertised? Scrolling isn't 100% smooth when scrolling so fast that you can't read?

It's quite difficult to QA a device to perfection if you want to release something sometime. The thread starter is in my opinion an exception among users as the scrolling issues don't seem to bother other users anywhere near as much. Even if it did, the wording of the subject is populistic and sensational.

Based on hype and forum posts I would tend to think most early customers would have rather taken the device with much more bugs already 2 months ago than waited until now even.

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Hi,

You have to realise that a number of people (not just on this forum) are not happy with the user experience and lack of features on this device. There expectations will be guided by the marketing material and their previous phone.

You can argue roadmap, you can argue community, but the bottom line is this is a commercial product which Nokia is selling and marketing to its end user customers, this is not a Devboard being sold to a developer.

I am sure there are many more people than the members on here waiting to get their hands on the n900. I suspect the delays are due to firmware updates!

Personally the n900 looks great, but seems not to offer support for features I have had on mobile devices (nokia) for years.

With this in mind I am seriously considering upgrading to the htc hd2 instead as it supports all the features I need out the box.

MB

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I still vote for some1 to close the topic since everythin has been discussed more than once ¬_¬

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I think you missing the point of the N900...
And secondly it's not supposed to have all the Nokia phone.

This device is foremost a tablet/mini computer what ever want to call it and then it happens to have a phone in it. NOT the otherway around...

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Honestly, I haven't seen those. Can you give me pointers to recent reviews?

I'm not arguing anything. To me the complaints just aren't 100% reasonable. But I'm probably more easily pleased than some.


Meaning they are upgrading the FW of packed phones before they ship to customers? Maybe, but sounds unlikely based on my knowledge of production, shipping etc.


Like what? That is your right of course, I just don't understand what is so wrong with N900 that voids all the really good/excellent/geeky things in it. Is the scrolling really that bad then?

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Again, look at most of the reviews. And the maemo ui your tube videos which show phone functionality. This device is being sold to be used as a phone as well as an always connected internet device.

If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck. Its a duck!

lol!

MB

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Poor little ugly duck... :p

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If and end user is not happy with a device, this is resnoble. Look im not interested in arguing with "fans" of the device who will love it no matter what.

I am talking about standard no programming end users which will pick up the device and have expectations based on the marketing and other nokia devices they have used.

They may well be processing firmware updates which would have explained the month + delay after the inital test review units.

Personally I am not bothered if there is a stutter and checkerboard on a device when im trying to scroll down a webpage like im on drugs lol.

Its just the basic stuff that nokia phones have had for years which the n900 does not have. Google maps, an office application which allows you to edit , decent email support which works correctly. Being able to backup all content on the device easily and restore without crashes e.t.c.

I know this will just start another arguments with a bunch of fanboys but its a fair comment as an end user.

MB

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It appears that a lot of you want Nokia to become more Apple-like.

Considering the draconian nature of Apple and their ever secretive stance that adds an aura of mystery feeding the media frenzy culminating in never-ending nauseating ads plus utter 'distortion of reality', God forbid !!

NOKIA is rugged and RAW; can be annoying and disorganised but I'd rather have it that way than have yet another CATHEDRAL which does computing no good in the long run.

:cool:

Read today's news on Apple, yuck.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/11...snt_trust_you/

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I honestly think, without any malice intended, that you should.

Clearly the N900 is not for you.

If Nokia did lowsy on communicating what the N900 is, then that is certainly their problem. I don't think, though, that this is whole truth - much of that misperception has occurred in the public. Also because the N900 is so attractive, a lot of people want it and want to like it - and are disappointed because their expectations were not in line with what the product was and was about.

But that indisputable fact is, the N900 was not intended to be what you are asking of it. It simply was not. If this was missed in the public or in the marketing, then that is a flaw, but N900 is not for you.

Check out the stuff Nokia chose to highlight on their product-page:

http://maemo.nokia.com/n900/

N900 is a bad product for your needs. Nothing wrong in saying that out loud. I knew this buying in, because I read the materials Nokia has put out, I read the roadmap. It is in their internet tablet lineage, not phone, and it has a special place in the Maemo plan.

If this was miscommunicated somewhere, or if Nokia made a unwise move in introducing a device that is bound to cause confusion, those are points to be argued. But you are asking, and disappointed when not, the product to be something it wasn't designed to be.

BTW: This is not to say N900 might have flaws that need fixing and are true flaws (like bugs etc.), but feature-wise it was never intended to be a consumer-ready, full-fledged smartphone.

It would be, but the N900 is not a consumer-space end-user phone. You are asking for things it was not meant to be. Did someone miscommunicate it? Perhaps? That would be a flaw. Is N900 what it is because Nokia is late? Certainly. That is why N900 is the second-to-last step in taking Maemo truly consumer.

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And I do get it: the N900 is confusing to people. Many say it is a phone because it is listed under "phones" in Nokia.com.

Yes, it is listed here.

But so is its predecessor, the N810. Which clearly is even less of a phone, no GSM/3G there.

It is a small niche Nokia plays in (and they don't have a clear place for it in their marketing) that now has big designs for the future. This is confusing and I'm sure overly eager salespeople world around have done their best to confuse this.

When one resets their expectations and perspective to N810 -> N900 jump and the Maemo roadmap's Maemo 5 before consumer Meamo 6 plan, it is clear where the product actually belongs to and what to expect of it.

I am sure there is confusion in the public (especially since many Nokia outsiders are actively comparing N900 with iPhone), and the argument that Nokia made a mistake in introducing a product bound to cause confusion is certainly an arguable one, but I just don't see how the truth behind it all could be confusing.

Clearly the N900's position and intent in the grand scheme of Nokia is not vague, when truly drilling into it, even if its public image might be? Right?

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Hi,

Thankyou for a sensible reply! :D ,

Have a look at the demo videos for the maemo UI team on youtube. They are demostrating phone features as much as they are internet tablet features. And nokia have this for sale on their various websites under "phones".

This has been launched as a end user phone capable device.


MB

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Nokia also lists the previous tablet Nokia 810 under phones, at least they do on the Finnish website. Clearly that have not differentiated their Internet tablet lineage there as they should... but looking at the product description at maemo.nokia.com for example, highlights only mobile computer features...

I understand (stretching here a little since I still think much of the confusion is caused by people outside Nokia that are positioning the N900 against iPhone) the argument that Nokia has been confusing about this, and that may be their flaw. But I think much of this confusion, also, is circumstancial - people's expectations dictate more than what is actually communicated.

Maybe Nokia would have been wise to splash out their roadmap on the product page too, not sure if that would have made any difference, but the roadmap is in the public and clearly their intent was not a consumer-ready smartphone. We knew this going in.

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Thusly, I would point my energies at communicating to Nokia and to the community:

1. Why and where the N900 sucks as the mobile computer that it is supposed to be. We need to improve where things are lacking, so that this can be the ultimate mobile computer (with a phone) at the moment.

2. How the N900s successors should be improved to make them truly consumer-ready smartphones for the consumer space. Also, as byproduct, ask that such software features be rolled back into the N900 as an added bonus - and a way to advance all things Maemo.

That would seem like a reasonable, constructive way to approach this, in my opinion.

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I am upset about calling me what I am not. And not just a fanboy, but also fanatic, piranha, and more. If I called you a troll for example, wouldn't you be upset (that's of course assuming that you aren't one, which I am no longer sure about)?

It's really interesting that after I published my N900 preview (which got over 400.000 page impressions) all comments I got (also on this forum) were saying that the preview was highly objective, informative and well balanced. No one called me a fanboy or Nokia fanatic.

Then suddenly you come and call me a fanatic fanboy, and that's only because I stated that I do not have the "random reboot" issue a handful of other people are having, and I don't consider the "scrolling issue" a major problem as IE on my Core i7 / Nvidia 9500 GT / 4 GB triple-channel DDR3 PC actually scrolls LESS smoothly than that.

I'm just describing MY experiences with the device. If you only expect people to COMPLAIN and you don't accept that one can be SATISFIED with a product then it is YOUR problem, and not mine.

"Defending a stance based on only one (read: your) account"? Now, this couldn't be more funny. Whose experiences I am supposed to express? Someone elses, not my own ones? And I am not defending anything, just STATING facts about how my N900 works.

As I said, I acknowledge that several people have this issue and I am sorry about it. But I will not join their complaints for the most simple and obvious reason being that I DON'T have that issue myself. And that for THREE MONTHS now and even on the early prototype I had before.

Sheer anger? I already suggested you to visit eye doctor, didn't I?

Regarding your fanboys and fanatics, I will take that WHEN DESERVED. I will NOT take it for just coming here and stating that I don't have the issues a handful of people have and I don't consider the (alleged) scrolling issue a problem *for me*.

If your intention is to have a well balanced opinion about the device, you should treat BOTH positive and negative opinions about it EQUALLY seriously. Yet for you only negative opinions seem to be reliable, while positive opinions make one a fanatic fanboy.

And you expect me to help those having issues HOW? By starting to complain about issues I do NOT have?

And so are you. So why don't you start fixing the bug instead of expecting others to do it.

That's very interesting. I didn't know that I am a passionate customer of manufacturers of shoes, toilet paper and toothbrushes, which I also don't have serious issues with, and thus, when asked, I state that they work well for me.

If you want to read it, just check my website from time to time. No offence, but emailing you about it is at the very bottom of the list of things I consider important to do.

I am simply expressing my experiences. What does not bother me, simply doesn't, and I won't be saying otherwise just because it is now more fashionable to bash than to express satisfaction.

And I really can't help you with confirming to you that the N900 randomly reboots like crazy, if mine doesn't.

I know perfectly clear what upsets me about you: your inability to accept that not everyone has to have the issues a handful of people have, and your inability to understand that if I don't have the issue then I say I don't have it. And also your inability to accept that while that slight scrolling unsmoothness may make some consider the N900 a "garbage" and "cr*p", others may consider it the least important thing on this planet.

Yeah, and I was disturbing the spread of that information, right? How? Did I remove posts of those who complain? Did I ban them or something?

No, I just wrote that I don't have the issues they have.

If that in your opinion prevents the spread of some information then what can I say. I'm speechless.

"True issues"... so, in your opinion, only those who have the issue are true, and those who don't have the issue (and dare to say it) are untrue... Now, that's a very interesting approach.

I don't know where you see the anger, while the only thing I told you was that if you want this discussion to get personal and involve name calling then maybe we should switch to private correspondence where I'll happily repay your invectives.

And YES, I do consider calling me a fanatic fanboy and a piranha offending, if all I did was saying that I don't have issues some other people have.

And the way you consider disagreeing with you "sheer anger" while you're incapable to understand that calling others "fanatic fanboys" and "piranhas" is plainly offending and boorish, makes this discussion completely POINTLESS.

If anything, calling your interlocutors fanatics, fanboys and piranhas is considered boorish.

I *never* asked you for personal data. *All* I wrote, was a suggestion to switch to private correspondence if you want this discussion to be personal. Scroll a couple of posts back and check. Apparently it's not just eyesight issues you have but also memory problems.

Furthermore, by "private correspondence" I meant using the "Private Messaging" feature of this board, which has nothing to do with your email. If you don't know such a feature exist, maybe you should get more familiar with this board's functionality.

For two days in your posts addressed to me you are not talking about ANYTHING related to N900, but you only keep PATRONIZING and ADMONISHING me, and giving me lessons of how you are entitled to call me a fanatic and piranha for daring to come here and saying that I don't have the issues those guys have, and how disagreeing with that by me is "sheer anger".

I wish your perception worked bi-directionally and you were also capable of perceiving when YOU start spurting with anger and calling your interlocutors piranhas, fanatics, fanboys and such. Sadly, your perception works in just one direction, and with out-of-tune sensitivity.

So WHY DON'T YOU and instead for two days you've been producing all these personal squabbles? I already suggested you to stop, as there's actually NOTHING to further talk about between us, but you just can't finish moaning about me.

Right, it isn't. So why don't you just stop.

I deeply hope so.

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Sure I understand that, but do you think you could point me some recent reviews where end users express their dissatisfaction with the device. As I haven't bought it yet myself I'm interested about different opinions of it. What I'm not interested that much is hearsay and vague remarks on "end user unhappiness"

I hate to insist but can you give me an example what actually is missing and wrong with the phone. I assume you already have the phone and you have used it and found it not suitable for you, and that your opinions are not based only on some youtube videos.


I'm sure about that, but you have to understand that the units that are now appearing to the end users have been manufactured already few weeks ago even a month. The fw on the phones is from week 42 as far as I know - some may be a later version we'l know when people get the phones. There's always something to fix, but there's also a point when you have to say "it's enough ship it".

Should Nokia have waited for Google to release Maemo version of Maps? Very few Nokia phones have office program installed, for reading yes, but not editing.

Other problems you mention I don't know, and when you refuse to give specific examples I can't even sympathize on your problems.

I had the impression that making backups is as easy as copying data from the device?

Sure it is, but not very convincing. Referring to "problems", inability to do something, "not working properly" are too vague to get proper understanding what needs to be fixed to make the device better for you for example. Have you experienced all this yourself, or have you just gotten the information from somewhere else, an if yes from where (so I could read those complaints myself)

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Right, I assume you have not noticed the large number of complaints on this forum with, rebooting , bricked phones, no support for MFE with 2003 only 2004. I simply cannot be bothered to detail all of these separate posts and threads. If you refuse to notice these posts, not my problem.

have a look at this post for an example of missing features listed from an end user.

http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=35259

I imagine your next point will be , its not a phone, its ok the community will sort this out. For my hard earned case I do not expect to have to wait for basic features to be on a device and for the community to fix this.

No I do not own one, friend does, have used it, looks great, lots missing, and it rebooted on him as he was showing me a demo of it.

They have held the stock, there must be a reason for this. I doubt it is just they underestimated the volume of orders, after all the interest and pre orders were high.

Most nokia phones (high end/midrange) have software for document editing (yes it does cost money as do apps in most app stores for phones). N900, not an option full stop.

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Re: N900 - Yes, it sucks.
 

1) As a computer, the N900 sucks because it is too slow, too limited, and the screen is too small for anything but web browsing. As a successor to the N810, it's fine, but the N810 is basically a PDA. My N810 replaced an old Palm TX and, besides the faster processor and better screen, doesn't have any more capabilities.

If Nokia wishes to release a mobile computer, Nokia (not the Maemo community) needs to, at a minimum, upgrade the processor, put Firefox (not just Fennec), OpenOffice, Java, and the current Adobe Flash on the device out of the box, and increase the screen to at least 4.5 inches.

2) As a smartphone, Nokia needs to produce a device that, out of the box, does everything that both the iPhone and Droid both do and, ideally, it should do everything either the iPhone and Droid do. Actually, since the device will not be available for some time, it will have to do what the equivalent devices do at the time it is released.

Again, this needs to be out of the box. Consumers don't need or want to be told that some open source developer is working on it. They expect that the manufacturer will provide it.

Re: N900 - Yes, it sucks.
 

Think that the n900 should scroll smoothly no matter what?
Then have a look at this post and tell me that your computer can scroll that page prefectly smoothly.

http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...703#post396703

Heavy images and such will slow it all down.
I'm not using a slow machine either, core2 duo T8100 2.3GHz w/3MB cache, 3gig ram, radeon HD3470 (ok not a blisteringly fast grfx card but if it can run bio shock then can handle the net fine!) running win7 pro.

Re: N900 - Yes, it sucks.
 

huh?
is that supposed to not scroll smoothly?
the image scrolls perfectly smooth on my system (samsung laptop with 2,4 ghz dualcore, 4gb ram and gf 9600m)

Re: N900 - Yes, it sucks.
 

I think you have a better graphics card than my laptop. I dare say if i tried it on my desktop machine with the 8800GTS 640MB card it'd be fine. My point is tho that if i reasonable spec laptop can give choppy scrolling on a heavy image then you'd have to give the n900 a little bit of room in the matter.