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N900 should be only a gadget, not a passion, or a idealization - that's religion, or everything else told in the previous post. I'm retiring. Sorry, no offense to anyone. Bye! |
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megacrazy post asnt that bad,it made sense.. people hated the fact that in his opinion nokia have allready failed- he may be right, lets hope not though
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The maemo browser renders everything correctly, so that bit about it doesn't show the page correctly is hog wash. The zoom and scrol thing is CLEARLY imo a bug I can kind of see what's causing it. If his pages aren't rendering correctly it is in fact having a problem then I encourage him to flash or return his phone for a exchange. Will that fix his scrolling/rendering speed issue ? No. For a number of reasons: 1. The way he's using the device is impractical(zooming in to scroll fast???) and even the iphone behaves and shows almost exactly the same rendering speed issues while renderingLESS items. That page has flash running on it, the iphone is skipping that entirely. 2. The browser isn't leveraging the full speed of the hardware(hard for me to explain what I am seeing), if nokia provides support for this device instead of focusing attention to the n910 this problem will be improved but I do think the whole thing is unreasonable as my lenovo netbook can stutter(not often but enough that I noticed) on some of those engadget pages. 3. I hate to bring this up but I distinctly remember testing the 1st iphone when it was launched and it's rendering was worse and slowly improved over time to what you see now with the iphone 3gs. Am I defending Nokia, NO, they need to address all the problems and support the n900 more then they need to release the n910. I know I won't buy one if they aren't going to support the n900 after it's release. Come to think of it anyone who would is imo not very smart. Basically Nokia has to support the n900 or they will lose market share and eventually be bought out by MS or worse make windows mobile phones exclusively. If ms doesn't learn too much from them and go elsewhere for a top smartphone line. I might to a video about the maemo page rendering thing but I'm lazy |
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I don't believe nokia even makes a single winmo phone. Thankfully ;) |
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http://www.ubergizmo.com/15/archives...ws-mobile.html It might happen http://www.windowsliveformobile.com/...a/default.aspx Ok Ok it could happen http://www.engadget.com/2005/02/14/n...rom-microsoft/ http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/27/s...or-pragmatism/ http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/12/m...ng-to-symbian/ http://www.engadget.com/2005/02/14/n...windows-media/ I see lots of speculation http://www.engadget.com/2005/02/14/n...windows-media/ It could happen Let's face it right now the only area apple is leading MS imo is phones Let's face it the n97 was underpowered and as a result a disappointment, the n900 is the latest wow device they have released. If they don't stand behind it a backlash will follow from lots of people who took the plunge trying to go a different route on unsubsidized vs subsidized contracted phones. It's a big shake up in the states. The one thing that'll bury them is word of mouth as they DON'T advertise in the states. The states could easily be a growth market if they simply support the device and advertise. |
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None of those links have anything more to do with nokia and MS other then nokia getting the info it needs to provide exchange sync for symbian and other nokia devices.
The rumor last month was that Nokia would buy Palm. I guess next month it will be that IBM will buy Microsoft? |
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Microsoft is not big enough to buy Nokia.
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It's big enough to make a collaboration happen, not exclusively, perhaps, but enough to move a series to Mobile. I could see an M class Nokia with Mobile and phasing out N and E.
I'm not saying it'll happen, just sizing up. MS writes good software (flame on!) and "free" OS and apps for Nokia means more cash in hardware, meaning more cash for both. MinMo is nothing to sneeze at. |
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Just finished reading every post....ready to put a bullet in my head.
You whiners on this forum are just like my mother (grand leaps of logic). Such as "hmm this phone seems to suck and I think I could have problems with feature X even though I don't own the phone or know anything about feature x". I see 2 classes of reader on this forum: engineers and non-engineers. The non-engineers should stfu and listen to the engineers. One *****y post is acceptable to me....then you get corrected and stfu and try to learn and change your tone. Hey...everybody gets ticked off at midnight and occasionally sends off a pissy email...but then you get a hold of your emotions and try to learn...and apologize. To go on an on *****ing about the same points without 'learning' anything or attempting to be constructive (and you aren't) is foolish. This post has absolutely ZERO useful information about the characteristics of the N900 (signal 2 noise way too high) and should be thoroughly nuked. A few bug submissions could've been a replacement for 58 pages on this thread. I own the N800 and liked it so much I recently bought a coworkers extra unit. I know what I'm getting into with the N900 and thoroughly look forward to purchasing a unit. I demoed a unit in store, brought up all my websites, did a2dp/etc. and this thing rocks hard! Excellent job nokia and I thoroughly support you for your innovation. |
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What you guys fail to see is that we seem to have the classical iTroll infestation. If you check this guy right you'll see he probably has multiple accounts as well. Also I think he might not even have a n900 as most of the bugs simply don't occur in one unit at a time and are taken from other threads and amplified. Ban the troll check if he didn't have the same ip as OrangeBox (and other users as well) and get over it, there's no sense in trying to argue. |
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I must have missed the last straw...
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sorry to say but what he said about the web page loading is so true lol
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he makes valid points. he has his right to express his opinions. all of his points add up..
off course in terms of the browser what ever the noks flaws in comparison i would never go back to a mobile browser.. |
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I find it so amazing, seriously. I usually don't reply if I don't have something wise to say in order to contribute, but this time I gotta ask all of you a question.
I've been reading in this forum for quite a while, way before I had my N900 and of course after I got it. A respected amount of posts in this forum is nothing but worthless whining and trolling by people who never had and never will own a N900. So why in the name of everything holy [to your respected religion] would you bother registering an account in this forum? Is bashing and trolling is all you know? I just don't get it! @megacrazy - I've owned 2 iphones - the first one and the 3g. Yes, it's true. Everything (i'm talking about the animations) is way smoother and the browser scrolls down pretty smoothly. But the device itself is pretty crappy. The browser crashes and ALOT! And excuse me if I'll deviate just a bit from what I was saying but the iPhone is a device PACKED with bugs. I can't count high enough to describe HOW MANY TIMES I got phone calls and I had that "slide to answer" thing going on and I kept sliding it but the slider will only go halfway through and would then jump back and I have to fight with it all over again for like 10 times until I could ANSWER MY CALL (It's a phone after all, right?). So okay, it has animations, it has this "smooth" feeling and it has APPS! TONS OF THEM! If you'll leave all the farting jokes and other useless crap aside, you can do almost anything on the N900. (in my first post in this forum I gave my bank as an example. They have released an app for the iphone because mobilesafari wasn't capable enough of loading their website. With the N900 I can access everything as if I was using my own home pc) I won't repeat what tons of people which have far more 'seniority' (so to speak) in the forum than me but I'll sum it all up very quickly - The iPhone appeals to a lot of people just as the HTC hero appeals to a lot of people and just as the N900 appeals to a lot of people. This is a N900 focused forum, if you don't have a N900 and you (you as in Orangebox and all the similar posters) came here just for the sake of bashing it, then I guess you will have to find yourself a better hobby or therapist because I really don't understand what you are trying to achieve here. It's like going into a vegetarian restaurant and get insanely pissed about not being able to order a steak. It's just pointless! The same thing here. On the other hand, if you DO OWN a N900 and you're unhappy with it and all you want to do is bashing it instead of purposing improvements for the device in civilized, adult and appropriate manners then go to eBay, sell your device (you'll make a great profit, seriously) and go buy a device that suits you. And Last, if you own a N900 and you bought the device without knowing what's it all about and without knowing that you are going to be an early adopter then sorry, you seriously ****ed up and you'll have to deal with the consequences, but letting your steam out in those forums won't do you any better, you'll just get on other people's nerves. Please people, stop that good for nothing trolling and try to stick to the subject and contributing to the community and its discussions |
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Umm... not everything seems to add up in my opinion and I already argued almost identical clones of the first post on other forums...
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There is a limit between bug reporting and making a trashy comparison with the iPhone. You still think it's not a troll you're dealing with? Check this out: http://www.google.com/search?q=%22Sc...s=cDP&filter=0 This post exists since before the device was released. And yes some people have wasted time to disprove this point by point, watching the video now too: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwDn50QjNfM |
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...another thread about N900 disadvantages. What is the most interesting here ?
Nokia company has got a lot of resources and doesn't have really killer products since longer. Sells N900 for very big money and it's difficult to classify it: 1. phone ? Infamous MMS issues, microphone problems in many units, etc. etc. 2. tablet ? not too small ? 3. mobile computer ? why without USB host for example ? 4. smartphone ? doesn't have all functions known from 99% of other Nokia smartphones or products from other companies... 5. step 4 of 5 in Maemo glory ? So, shortly c..p ? In my opinion Nokia became company with a lot bureaucracy. Too good Linux device will make problems with selling high level Symbian devices too... In my opinion nothing really good will happen here now...unless Nokia will change own strategy. With current one is lost. Earlier there were some good ideas: exchangeable covers, good batteries, low SAR design, etc. etc. Now there are visible problems only and selling worse and worse stuff in different body. For example: you still don't have excellent GSM/UMTS device, more and more models are only GSM... |
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"MMS issues? what issues to something that was not implemented?
What is the statistical significance of "P" considering microphone issues, in the deliverd devices?" agree about mms- they said they wernt gonna include it as this device is an alllways connect all singing communication device. and they feel like the market didnt want it(there were probally incorrect)- but still they didnt say they would include- no qualms. second one is not a good thing- and the rebooting problem and battery/charging issues add and it sucks- nokia rushed this and its not a good thing when such a massive brand does this. it is a lack of nasic quality control over getting something out b4 cristmass |
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Yes, it did feel rushed out but as childish as it may be it felt rewarding having it on christmas :D
I don't like though to see so many complaints that don't make a point and are not objective. This is a community for passionate people and for contribution. If there's something to whine about there's the nokia forum, theres the tech support & call center. It's not like we're going to fix anyone's broken microphone - that's a new one for me. And there's this: http://revdkathy.livejournal.com/59199.html |
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but these boards did fix my rebooting issues- and it was only ment to be a temp fix- now i am stuck with a phone that drains its battery to fast . if i never used the fix and just sent it back, i may have a perfect machine, and i may be on your side of the fence.
i just want nokia to release the statement if we cant fix it we will give you a new machine. anyway no one is to blame here at all, and i will try and be more reasoned. |
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Everything I am trying to say is based off speculation. I see 2 big companies collaborating on different projects and imagine that more things are talked about then what is revealed to the public. I think businesses explore every avenue for profit and given the fact that Winmo phones dropped in popularity due to competition. How could MS pass up asking the world's largest phone maker to make a Winmo phone ? We've seen more announcements for android than winmo lately, they have to be trying to garner support. Nokia of course(if it happened) refused MS but Nokia released a windows 7 netbook that was late to the game seems odd to me. Doesn't a dual boot maemo/win7 netbook make more sense ? The leading brands of netbooks have already been established, unless they had some radical hardware changeup or feature which it doesn't one has to wonder under what expectations was it released. To me this hints at MS's influence for them to launch this device. Maybe they were tempted by sweet office mobile deals or something. With all the speculation of apple launching tablets and the subsequent announcements of other tablets and etc. Doesn't a nice 5 or 7 inch(or both or bigger) mainstream maemo tablet(dual boot win7)sound better ? This would have allowed them to attract those who otherwise would not be attracted to maemo along with riding the win 7 wave. So why just launch a plain netbook with a big battery ? So given this we can say ms and nokia has some type of working relationship. And if Nokia continues to lose smartshare they might turn to this relationship to launch some products. But with HTC there whose to say what might happen. Again this is all my speculation but to me still falls within the realm of possibilities. Largely because of how the n97 was handled it was well designed though underpowered and the software ui needed work. Then nokia releases a update for the 5800 making the chip the same speed as the n97. This disappointed many people who felt they needed more from a "flagship" device. I think this creates a situation or rather pressure for a hit, surely the n900 attract in some people new to both nokia and maemo. First impressions stick, supporting a device matters, actively developing for it alongside the community is what will put customers at ease and increase sales. I think it's required for the n900 to reach it's potential and that it MUST reach that potential in order to be viewed as a success. Otherwise outside this community it'll be pointed to and hinted at as another disappointment and that nokia falls short even with a wonderful device and platform. Anything viewed as a failure will be treated as one and people will stay away, how will the n910 be recieved ? As "another hyped product" ? And Nokia will shrink possibly enough to be bought out. A good example of this is archos they make a line of pvr/pmp players that otherwise would sell crazy but they destroyed their rep and then they released the archos 5 internet tablet and the archos 9 pctablet to little fanfare.. |
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no firmware update, no ovistore yet, limiting my usage and 3g so that i can get more than 6hrs usage.
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thankfully qwerty12 came out with the status applet to switch from 3G to GSM and that lifted my spirits a bit in regards to the potential this device has. i think we should just try to stay positive and hope for the best (from Nokia's future FW releases and support and the wonderful constructive community we have here on these forums) |
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I'm starting to think to you have 6 hrs of battery you seriously need to find out what's draining so much or ever reflash the eMMC and firmware all together...
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ok people... the margin for improvement on all platforms is very slim... for one crapple has a copywrite on all the cool stuff!!! so there fore leaves everything else substituting.. like a great man said (me) "if the perfect phone came out, no one would make money"
my point is, if the phone works then you have no reason to complain. plus there is apps for everything else haha. some people are just not happy.. if its that big of a deal save up some money and approach a compny and say "build me my phone" and you will get exactly what you want.. but that is highly unlikely due to them having to support just one handset that is bringing them no money besides the value put into it and the retail value they made 60% profit from.. soooooooo either carry a phone for each function you want or find a way around it.. |
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Using it for almost 2 months now.... never sucks once. I guess N900 is really not for a typical novice user.
Dump my HTC Touch Pro 2 to get N900. Never regret!!!! Woooooooow!!!! |
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After another frustrating day with the N900, I feel this headline is the appropriate headline to post another rant about the N900.
Constant CPU spikes, a unresponsive UI, a lagging music player, is what I think of if you asked me to describe the N900 right now. Not great for a 500£ device, And not great for Nokia either. I've recommended this phone to 2 friends, who've bought it, but I certainly won't recommend it to clients or family who wants an advanced smartphone. It's just too unfinished, and it's pissing me off that I bought this device thinking that I'd get a cutting edge device, not a prototype.. |
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Yes so 1 major update later still nothing has been improved.
- The browser is still slow, choppy - V-sync issues when scrolling are ridiculous - The phone part is missing functionality left and right - There are no really good apps to speak of - Bluetooth/WiFi issues are still there - Battery life seems to be sub standard - The phone still can barely handle browsing and playing music simultaneously - The email client is still a joke. But wait!!! The browser has a portrait mode that sort of works...3 months later. The argument that the device is only for advanced users is still as ridiculous as it was 3 months ago. This device is unfinished and it should have not been sold...period. I do enjoy using the device though and have 0 regrets buying it. I guess it's a breath of fresh air from the usual and I always enjoyed experimenting with stuff. If you really want to get something done though, like check your email...you take out your iphone/blackberry and you will have already finished checking your email by the time the N900 is connecting to refresh the inbox. |
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+Browser is extremely fast
+Running loads of pages isn't lagging me +The phone part is perfect for the novice user, with the exception of no MMS, its perfect. +Flash Support +Bluetooth and WIFI fully functional for me, W7 does not have N900 drivers available though. +Low Battery Life however can survive heavy duty tasks (My Winmo device would die in like 2-3 hours where i can do tasks on the n900 and have it last up to 10, heavy.) +Kickstand! +Multitasking is great here, i can run youtube music videos and have like 7 browser pages open without lockups or heavy delay. N900 FTW. |
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Really? Am I missing something PC Suite doesn't work either......
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I have no problem with PC suite, only mass storage when the device is powered on.
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