Re: N900 is a costly experiment
 

When is next firware update? I don't want to create a whole thread just for one question and answer.

Re: N900 is a costly experiment
 

If you'd done any product research before buying, this would be no surprise. The N900 is a computer first, and a phone second. What do you think of its functionality as a handheld finger controlled PC?

Now Nokia has already announced support for portrait mode in certain app, and developers can implement it in their third party apps as they please right now.

MMS support should come later, but isn't very simple. It took Apple 3 years to add... I doubt Nokia takes as long, but to be honest, there is no announcement for adding it at this time, which doesn't mean they won't, just they haven't told us. Same for speed and voice dialing. There are Contact shortcuts, however, something no one else can offer.

For file sending, try Petrovich, which is available via the App Mgr. Same for a voice recorder. If months to add a feature is long to you, your expectations may be insatiable. Who else is implementing features in months? Android? WinMo? Apple? WebOS? Didn't think so.

As for phone features, this is an area where Nokia has unmatched experience and expertise. I doubt anyone in the industry questions Nokia's ability to develop the phone features. I'm least worried about that area. You have an old Communicator so you know as well as I. Do you fear Nokia will fail at the phone's development, its core competency?

Re: N900 is a costly experiment
 

Sometime this month.

Re: N900 is a costly experiment
 

I...I think I just shut up a troll!

Where's my trophy??

Re: N900 is a costly experiment
 

Grats and well earned!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v7...daryThread.jpg

Re: N900 is a costly experiment
 

Well, more likely he just went to bed, username sounded Finnish.

But by the way, do you think his next phone or the one after that is going to be a Maemo one? Take a look at the thread title. He may not have worded his concerns very eloquenty but there just might be a point for Nokia hidden in there somewhere. First opinions/reactions matter, and whenever these threads/posters are shot down, it's one more person leaving Maemo with a bitter taste in their mouth. You think he's gonna recommend a Maemo phone to his friends ever after spending 600 € on something and then gettting a smackdown at the forum for that device?

Re: N900 Unexpected reboots
 

just got my n900 today from newegg.....been getting random reboots all day as well. checked the reason...for the most part always 32wd_to. you guys think i should request a replacement? or you think its something that can be fixed with a firmware update?

Re: N900 Unexpected reboots
 

probably not. I sent my device to service yesterday.

Re: N900 is a costly experiment
 

I think Nokia made a mistake with the N900. The phone functionality should have been a lot better, people expect a 600 € device with phone functionality to actually work well as a phone. And please stop repeating the "it's not a phone, it's a mobile computer" mantra; the N900 has a phone part, so it IS a phone, too, and should be usable as such. Also, I don't think the device will gain all the missing abilities in future firmware updates, development efforts are probably already directed at Harmattan and the next Maemo device.

Re: N900 is a costly experiment
 

Hey that's great news, got a source? This phablet has got me excited, I can't wait to get mine from Amazon.
Since you knew the answer to that would you happen to know when flash 10 is coming, give or take half a month?

Re: N900 is a costly experiment
 

nope.

http://maemo.nokia.com/n900/

what is the title of the page?
"Nokia N900 mobile computer"

is a laptop a phone because it has 3g modem and you can call with it?

and the phone part imo is usable. try to make your mind which you want: phone part to be usable or perfect.

Re: N900 is a costly experiment
 

Apparently you didn't try the N97.
S60V5 as 3 seperate manufacturers flagship phones.
Samsung, Nokia, Sony
All tragically flawed.

I would say that your experience is definitley not typical of the majority of users.

Out of curiousity during that hour of testing did you enable the dev and testing libraries?

Software feels a little unfinished or rough around the edges. This I agree with but since the phone has been on the market for approximatley 3 weeks depending on your region I am not worried or surpised. I think it is evident that their is a very strong developer community for this platform.

Re: N900 is a costly experiment
 

Not again, this is so pointless. The same issue has been debated a million times. How about this:

http://europe.nokia.com/find-products/devices/nokia-n95

"What computers have become". So the N95 is not a phone either?

Please, everybody, drop this thing already. When they added the phone features, it stopped being a tablet and became a phone. This "it's not a phone" stuff is only discussed here, to the rest of the world, this is a phone just as much as any other modern smartphone. Deal with it. People coming here expect it to be a phone and Nokia is not selling any differently than their other smartphones. None of them are called "phones" in Nokia speak. Technically, all cell phones are mobile computers, always have been. The fact that this one runs Linux makes very little difference to most people.

There's the Maemo greeters program here. How about leaving these threads to the greeters so they can treat people posting about their disappointment with respect instead of dismissing their concerns and claiming they are stupid for thinking it's a phone? Stop the RTFM attitude already, these forums have really gone down the sewers lately.

Re: N900 is a costly experiment
 

I don't see that title you are referring to. Yes it is a slogan in the page somewhere.


what about laptops with modems & 3g radios? are those phones?

n95 is a smartphone when using nokias own definitions...


and do you really claim that it is wrong to say RTFM if something is mentioned at manual and somebody doesn't really care to read the manual first before asking? I could also say: "RTM" but I don't like the requirements to spoonfeed everybody.

Re: N900 is a costly experiment
 

Is it? Link to that, please. I'm quite sure the N95 is a "mobile computer" according to Nokia definitions.

Re: N900 is a costly experiment
 

it seems to be multimedia computer

Re: N900 is a costly experiment
 

I agree this is a phone the only way your going to convinced me its not is if you carry a n900 and a phone in your pocket. When I bought my n95 8gb Nokia was touting it as a mobile computer and this was years ago. Its called marketing i mean yes it does computer like things but it has a thumb keyboard A8 cortex chip things that other smartphones have, therefore my friends its a phone.

I have had my n900 for a few days and yes battery dies pretty fast hope that gets better with time and scrolling can be hit or miss but overall I really like this device a whole lot. This phone has excellent sound quality, it can play a lot of videos I throw at it. I think we need to give this phone atleast two firmware updates before we can pass our final judgement. I think its really premature to say this is an exepriment gone bad or that this phone doesn't deliver.

Re: N900 is a costly experiment
 

I don't need a phone if I have a computer with phone functionality in it, in my pocket. Phones are so 20th century.

Re: N900 is a costly experiment
 

Alright, a multimedia computer. There you go.

The point is, debating whether the N900 is phone or not is silly, pointing out whatever terms the Nokia pages use makes no difference, none of the new Nokia "phones" are officially phones, yet everybody calls them phones and Nokia is generally regarded as the world's leading phone-maker, not "a quite large multimedia computer maker". The N900 is just as much a phone as the N95. This issue should not come up in all of these threads.

My RTFM comment referred to the attitude of "you should've known better" that comes up in all similar threads. I'm tired of it.

Re: N900 is a costly experiment
 

no it isn't as much a phone. Symbian is purely a smartphone os, Maemo isn't.

Re: N900 is a costly experiment
 

Re: N900 is a costly experiment
 

Regardless of whether it is, or is not, a phone, the net has been awash with previews, reviews, blog posts, videos, iPhone comparisons and the complete user manual for weeks now. It's not difficult to get a very firm idea of what the N900 can do, and anyone spending this sort of money on something owes it to themselves to do the research. There's no-one else to blame if they choose to just rely on blind assumptions instead.

Re: N900 is a costly experiment
 

From the points you mentioned, we already have:
- Voice Recorder
- Ability to scroll rapidly (try two long swipes in quick sequence...)
- FM reciever program
- Equalizer support
- Filesend-Tool

Portrait mode sure is user specific - for me, phone portrait is enough.
MMS I'm missing, too.

For speed-dialing, ringtones and profiles, I hope for 3rd party software. Shouldn't be too hard given the opportunities Maemo as a framework offers.

Please be aware of two things:

• The N900 has been out and SDK went final only two weeks ago.
• It's step 4/5 for Nokia; if all the features you mention had been included, we would have been at Step 5/5 - which is probably something defined as "Feature equality to Symbian S60."

Re: N900 is a costly experiment
 

Can somebody point explain to me what is really wrong with the phone application? I can call just fine. I can find contacts or use the calllist quickly to get the contact i want to call.
If i get a call then i get press a nice big button to take it. So what doesnt really work in the phone area?

The only thing i think that should be looked at in that specific area is that when i get a call or the phone app is the active app. It should downgrade the cpu for all other processes and give the phone app the highest prio. Because it does happen now and then that (mostly the browser) it taking to much cpu that the phone app cant really push itself passed it. So i cant accept the call at that time.

Re: N900 is a costly experiment
 

what was wrong with that? one must understand that difference when making selection N900 vs N97 for example if he doesn't want to be disappointed.

Re: N900 is a costly experiment
 

Alright, there we go - now THAT is how questions like this should be answered. Not by pointless bickering about definitions and useless non-helpful "you should have known better" type of comments.

Re: N900 Unexpected reboots
 

Yep. I have this problem too. Tomorrow to service.

Re: N900 Unexpected reboots
 

I feel very disappointed with this phone!

Am I the only disappointed one?
 

On August / September when I first reed about N900 felt very excited. I love OpenSource, I support Nokia, so N900 sounded great (and with a lot of extra features). Signed on maemo site to be mailed when coming available and submitted my pre-sale buying at Amazon.
When knew (thanks to this forum) that NokiaUSA had it on site, I ran to buy it for $710!!!
Now, 10 days after I FEEL VERY DISAPPOINTED
My phone reboot itself about 10 times a day (before applying the firmware, were 20 times a day!). Avoiding me to do most elemental things as writing a 20 characters note. I can't sync my contacts from gmail, or even my calendar. It's not even supported by Ovi, (Nokia's Ovi! :confused:)
I wrote a mail to Nokia, letting now this and I'm waiting for an answer, but I think will claim my money back and go someother brand

Re: Am I the only disappointed one?
 

You are not... see my posts:

Car kit can not access contact information...
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...385#post416385

or my comment on MfE
http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...&postcount=221

Re: N900 Unexpected reboots
 

why?

if it is because of the reboots, then your device is broken.

Re: Am I the only disappointed one?
 

your device is broken. go ahead and use the warranty.....

this is really stupid. you don't care to search from bugzilla with keyword "reboot". this can be found in the list:
https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6334

e: what about reading this thread through:
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=416421

Re: Am I the only disappointed one?
 

I will agree that those things are annoying. but i need to say overall i am thrilled with the device. I have none of the reboot issues and like watching movies, listening to music, web browsing etc. I am excited about new things to come - like a proper twitter app more like gravity or tweetdeck.. but i guess i am different in that i am ok to wait a bit for this things..

Re: Am I the only disappointed one?
 

if you have a constantly rebooting device, it's more likely to be a hardware fault than due to faulty software.

I'd suggest you contact the nokia service for an exchange model

Re: Am I the only disappointed one?
 

I'd be interested to see how many people that are having problems are sticking to the three 'safe' repositories and aren't downloading random debs or following obscure instructions. Having said that, I have the extras-devel and extras-testing (added but disabled unless I want something specific) and I'm having no problems.

It reminds me of some people on Ubuntu forums actually - complaining that it's broken and that everyone said it should be better than Windows and - oh, so you enabled the root account and started following obscure instructions from forum threads?

It's still only an OS, and it's not idiot-proof. Oh, and if you're having a specific problem ask a specific question :)

Re: Am I the only disappointed one?
 

as others have suggested, exchange the faulty one. Use a normal device before making up your mind. I am sure you will not regret it.

Re: Am I the only disappointed one?
 

Assuming your not running windows ;)

Re: Am I the only disappointed one?
 

The reboot issue should really be sticky somewhere to avoid these.
I feel pretty lucky since none of the devices I use have the problem. as a matter of fact none of them has crashed even once.

Re: N900 Unexpected reboots
 

For what its worth, I had my pc disconnect from internet which is normally rock solid when I left my pc logged in to talk.Maemo.org and then logged in to same site on laptop. Laptop would be fine but browse maemo.org on pc again and strange bug was present where all internet had been disabled causing me to reboot to remedy(XPMCE).

Happened 3 times now with exactly same circumstances (logged into same site, possibly same post with 2 different mac addresses).

Perhaps not worth much but seems after reading bugzilla entries a lot of problems stem from browsing maemo.org.(possibly on 2 machines with same external IP).

Possibly kicking IP after idle time? I dont know how site works, but just suggestions

Don't have my device but this may well apply to me lol. Just a thought.

Please ignore or correct me if wrong.

Re: Am I the only disappointed one?
 

Lot of whiners here complain about their phone issue, but their
REAL problem is the users unable to fix simple problem. You got
to know at least something(computer) before owning this device.
Simple search and simple troubleshooting ussually fix the problem.