Re: N900 is not a phone ! Why people still don't get it?
 

ur right, it is all of the above, but when people see it as a phone first they expect more phone functions. so its better to refer to it as a tablet the way nokia wants it. it is a tablet first and phone second.

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its not about that dak- everyone knows what it does, the problem lies because many are dissapointed by its basic phone functions- so fanboys are trying to say dont be dissapointed by that its not supposed to be that in the first place.

the real point is what is it gonna replace- what are peoples primary useage

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again

robert its basic marketing- its suggestive.

its not saying simply that it has a better web browser its a play on words

theres an app for that

thers a web browser for that

its a direct marketing suggestion against a competitor.

your pc wouldnt use the slogan 'theres a web browser for that' because its not competing against it.


.. what you are falling to realise robert is its what they do not what they say.

what they did was create the slogan "theres a web browser for that"

and say- og err its not really supposed to be a phone- when they havent finsihed it but need to get it out b4 crimbo. because they have marketd the fk out of it

seriously you need to wise up

Re: N900 is not a phone ! Why people still don't get it?
 

maybe those people who are disappointed should have read about it...
many blogs,forums and even fanboys...before its release kept saying "its a tablet that has phone functionality" not the other way around....but many people came to their own conclusion that "it carries a sim its a phone" then got disappointed...why?
if you were in the market for a car and the sales agent told you "YES, it does look like a car has wheels engine etc....but the steering wheel is almost non existent".....
there are a few who would simply say "not for me"....and the others who will still buy it...THEN get disappointed when they cant steer properley....
my point is this......if its not for you...it isnt....but dont go on about what it lacks as a phone when CLEARLY it has been stated times and times over....its a tablet...with phone functionality.....
if u dont like it...sell it...and move on! simple!
and to further the issue...what was the biggest complaint of other tablets before? it lacked a gsm/phone functionality....
now that it has been added as a minor part of the overall experience....its still being slated.....

Re: N900 is not a phone ! Why people still don't get it?
 

i agree but its not the point.. they marketed it in many diffrent ways. the suggestion was there and these things go into the subconcious

i personally am very happy with the n900, but can understand how nokia sell products- they are a business and sales is the goal

Re: N900 is not a phone ! Why people still don't get it?
 

N900: Not Just a Phone, Not Yet a Laptop :)
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=37098

Re: N900 is not a phone ! Why people still don't get it?
 

robert i suppose in a massive corporation you have many departments.

sometimes there work against each other, but the ultimate goal is to sell. the people whos job to market this phone had to get something going to sell this device, if they couldnt get any networks or middle men(eg mobile phones direct)on board no crimbo bonus for them.

nokia will not make on this phone and they knew that from the beginig, in all purpose from the top boys at nokia this is R&D, and the stance from there spokes people is that it was meant for a niche market. that doesnt stop the marketers tho.

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".what was the biggest complaint of other tablets before? it lacked a gsm/phone functionality....
now that it has been added as a minor part of the overall experience....its still being slated...."


well that robert is allways gonna happen you turn a niche device into a device thats in all purpose a neccesity(phone)or at least add the function- you get sales and lots of them- with that comes the critics, there will be more and more and more- infact if the nokia gets better you will get even more having a bash at it- because it will be more popular, so you will be fending them of with a stick untlll you cant take any more.

Re: N900 is not a phone ! Why people still don't get it?
 

saying its not a phone is just an excuse for not making a good enough product. We dont need internet tablets, we need a device that can offer us everything and more. I hope for nokia that devs will take adv. of the opensource and try to make it complete.

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Perhaps this confusion is, in part, attributable to Nokia's almost legendary tone-deafness to the user-community.

Maybe it's because they're Finns? I know a few Finns and they're cool, but is there a cultural disconnect causing problems?

I would like to talk personally to some serious Nokia folk, to solve these issues.......

Re: N900 is not a phone ! Why people still don't get it?
 

they are chilled out cats , are they in the dark season where they get no sunlight. maybe they are all hibernating atm

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Normally... I would agree with this. But Maemo is a different beast... Nokia has no way to not to listen to Maemo because the community drives it.

Just look around, and the next couple of firmware updates will address mostly what people in this community are either complaining about, wished to have fixed or added or have contributed fixes to... and have been assisted by other community members or Nokia/Maemo members.

And by personally wishing to talk to some Nokia folk, stick around. There's quite a few that hang around and are very responsive. Heck, they've even responded to me a few times... that's saying a lot ;)

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The iphone is physically a very slim device, and slightly longer. The N900 is thick (due to the keyboard) and shorter, and heavier. That alone points it to another segment in the market, away from the iphone. You can do what you will with the software, it won't make the N900 an iphone killer. It's not designed for it. Which is fine: The iphone doesn't have anything I want. It has everything my nephew wants. Which, again, is fine.

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Who's this "we" you're talking about ? Are these "we" also the XX million people who bought (and are still buying) Archoses, iPod Touches or any of the previous Nokia tablets ? Also, aren't you shooting just a wee bit high with "a device that can offer us everything and more" ?

Re: N900 is not a phone ! Why people still don't get it?
 

You are making this up. The "slogan" was used in the title of this 3rd party review: http://blogs.zdnet.com/cell-phones/?p=2752

Re: N900 is not a phone ! Why people still don't get it?
 

lol jopplu

its on countless reviews just type the slogan into google and it will bring up loads- it was used by nokia representatives first

Re: N900 is not a phone ! Why people still don't get it?
 

OP is troll

http://europe.nokia.com/buy-online/n900-buynow

It couldn't be any clearer, straight off of Nokia's web page.

Re: N900 is not a phone ! Why people still don't get it?
 

You are still making this up. I did google it, I'm not an idiot.

Here's your proof that it was used in the title of just that one CNET review

Your argument is overruled.

Re: N900 is not a phone ! Why people still don't get it?
 

I'm sorry, this is a phone any way you look at it. "An internet tablet with celluar radios". LMAO! I also don't own a HDTV, its a black and white tv that is enhanced with colors.

Re: N900 is not a phone ! Why people still don't get it?
 

and you drive box with 4 wheels that is NOT a car !!!

Re: N900 is not a phone ! Why people still don't get it?
 

what is a phone?

Re: N900 is not a phone ! Why people still don't get it?
 

No no, it's a superphone now! :-P

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It's pretty much decimated the use of my netbook for browsing and stuff. In fact the most use my netbook has seen in the past couple of weeks is as a fairly cumbersome and inefficient phone charger :o

Re: N900 is not a phone ! Why people still don't get it?
 

ok jaark - do you have another phone that you use.?

Re: N900 is not a phone ! Why people still don't get it?
 

Certain people need to get themselves out of the mental rut they're in.

The rigid, boxed-in mindset that cannot understand anything other than "this is an x" and "this is a y" is going to be left behind and feel increasingly bewildered as tech marches on.

The whole point of what we're witnessing - Apple, Nokia et al - is "convergence". Technology is now so flexible and powerful that we're now making serious attempts and piecing together just the right mix to provide people with an ultra-mobile device that supports as much of their imagination as possible.

A "phone" is just a software implementation. The radio hardware it utilizes is just a physical carrier, nothing more. Networking software/hardware engineers have understood this for decades.

The marvel of the iPhone/iTouch/N900 etc is that they provide excellent computing horsepower in a platform that is now effortlessly present in our lives. No more lugging around a laptop. Everywhere we go we can have a first-class network device (now a full linux platform) with all manner of software to enrich our lives....on-the-go in realtime.

What would be cool is if somebody could figure out how to drive the N900 cellular hardware to provide a SIM-less ad-hoc networking platform. Perfectly plausible.

Re: N900 is not a phone ! Why people still don't get it?
 

its a phone
its a web browser
its email
its a music player
its a games platform
...and some other things I probably dont understand
It needs to be able to do all of these things (esp basic phone functions) more proficiently than it currently does. End of.
Who gives a toss whether one person calls it a phone or a convergance device?? To me its a phone and more :)
If someone asks if they can look at my phone, I'll show them my N900 without giving them a hard time over it. Now get over it :-p

Re: N900 is not a phone ! Why people still don't get it?
 

So it is a PHONE. Yes, I knew it!

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its all immaterial what people call it- its all immaterial if people say you shouldnt call it something

whats material and why this argument is happening is that this product isnt finished yet , its not up to scratch on basic functions and has been sold as a replacement to the b4 phone(or what ever you poeople want to call it)

this unit will for the majority be there primary phone, and we shouldnt have to feel bad about complaining that its sold unfinshed surely- jeas some of you lot are mad- you wanna live in a society wshere we are dictated by corporations. you wanna be nokia tablet fanboys. jeas get a life , tell em how it is /or shut up and dont have a pop at others for bringing up the faults- but certainly dont start threads about this nopt being a phone ??????????*&*(?

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thank goodness - i was just boxing it up to return it as occassionally it makes a noise and I didnt know what to do :D

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I admit to not having read all 11 pages... but if by "phone" you mean, directly, that "it makes phone calls" - then I'd classify the N900 as a phone in that department.

If, however, you mean a "phone" that most people in todays world have come to expect from their phones... then no, it isn't.

When someone says they have a phone now-a-days they usually imply a certain list of features or specifications. Very few people still have those old brick-sized cell phones with foldout antenna's anymore... so there is some expectation to be had if someone thinks they are buying a phone.

That's why I say it isn't a "phone"... because if someone wants an N900 they need to re-adjust what their expectations of a "phone" are going to be.. the "phone" features of the N900 are haphazard, and seem added on or second in importance to other things on the device.

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fatal that post is gonna confuse this argument up dude

the nokia tablet worshippers are calling this not a phone because they dont want your argument for it not being a phone to be heard(that its not up to par)- they have had enough of hearing it, they want everyone to say- omg yep your right its not a phone- therfore i have no right in critiising its features, so lets all just say flowery things about x terminal.

the reality is this

have nokia given us something that it does what it says on the box and how it was marketed.

this argumnet has nothing to do with wether its a phone or not, but everything to do with slightly frustrated people that bought a nice phone but isnt 'as described' against nokia tablet fanboys.

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Yup, I have an e51 which I now only use in the car as it works with my hands-free better - I'm quite surprised just how much it has replaced my phone - I bought it primarily to replace my n810

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so its replaced your phone probally more than your netbook , and completly replaced your n810. (to more mainstream peops this n810 could be switched with a media player or itouch etc)

i think thats about the way this phone is shaping up-- repacing your toy-gadget, replacing your phone and not having to allways grab a netbook or sit at a pc.

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While I see your point.... and I understand arguments like, say, the GPS maps software sucks ... I can see that as being "not as described"..

But the vast majority of complaints I've seen (or maybe they just leave the bigger impression) .. or at least people comparing the N900 to iPhone or Android .. aren't about it not being as advertised on the box.. but more something they expected to be there just because it's on/in Android or iPhone - so they just "assumed" the N900 would also have it.

This is why the only proper response to someone asking "Should I get an Android, iPhone or N900?" is "What do you want it to do?". They are so completely different that any expectations from one can't seamlessly move to the other. Just Android vs iPhone makes a little more sense - they both strive for similar goals. The goals I see of the N900 appear to be completely different (at least at this point).. but I don't know what Nokia officials truly think.

However.. I don't give the proper response... when people ask me that I say "Get an Android." Not because I don't like the N900.. but because until I have hands on one, after reading this forum, I'm not convinced someone asking me that question wants an N900. They appear to want a "phone", ala "smartphone", not a computing device. I don't classify the N900 as a "smartphone" or "phone" like the iPhone or Android; and since I hate the iPhone and everything apple.. I just don't bother giving it as an option :D.

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my biggest complaint is the fact that i have a device that doesnt have decent battery , because of the reboot problem fix.. that is why it doesnt act like a phone- it doesnt last long enough.(yes i could have taken it back and still can under warranty at any pooint- but they are telling me it will be fixed in a f/w update WHEN???????. the email doesnt work as expected for me- and that should work on a phone these days- it should certainly work on a computer????!??

i advise most to get a 3gs tbh, my sister was looking at my n900, and she wanted it- i said no get a 3gs. most people cannot be bothered with all this hassle the n900 can give. if the person wants something diff to the norm- then id say android. i would never need to advise any to get an n900- because anyone that would want one - will allready know about it!!

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I agree with your last point.. which is why I don't normally recommend it. That may change with whatever they fix in the F/W's to come.

As to the battery... My G1, if I use it pretty much at all for anything but making and receiving phone calls or texts, will not last from 7:30 to 17:00 in a given day. I get the "less than 15%" warning as I'm on my way home after using it for basic browsing and such. If I dare listen to pandora.. it'll die before 1300.

Should I consider my G1 not a phone? I personally never thought that way.. I just consider it a phone with a shaity battery.

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my nokia is a phone to me and i class it as a phone-- why because i use it as a phone- simple........- what i am saying is that it is not functioning like a phone should- i am used to having psp's/archos's run out half way through the day, a phone should stay on well it needs to stay on- this is a paramount function for any phone- its still a phone but its an inadequate phone.

and yep your right its not just the n900 that fails on this score..

but my n900 would actually be ok if it wasnt for the fact that 20% of the nokias have problems due to a driver fault in the firmware and i wouldnt have had to disable power off mode.

the biggest problem with what nokia did was realise a product that isnt stable- and not just that far from stable.

if only every company was like nintendo er.

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I concede that point. The number of people reporting the "reboot loop" problem - especially considering, if left unattended, results in a sudo-"bricked" device that requires a reflash... is most certainly concerning.

That shows a real QC problem there. I don't think EVERY device has suffered it though.. so the only place I can put at fault is QC.. not necessarily Maemo, or Nokia for "releasing" an unstable device - because some of them are very stable, at least from what I've seen.. and some people get days worth of an idle battery with the N900, while mine won't last 1 full day even completely idle (the G1). It's normally deep in the red by the time I hit the sack at night.

So those complaints have merit, but are individual device specific - not "platform" or total device as a whole. Thus, negative feelings towards the N900 as a whole would be unwarranted. But.. the numbers are alarming, and something should really be done in the QC department to detect that kind of stuff.

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The definition of a phone:a combining form meaning “speech sound” (homophone), “an instrument of sound transmission or reproduction”

What you are questioning are functions of modern mobile devices.
and peoples understanding about what to expect in them.