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N900dweeb 2009-11-26 21:12

Nokia N900 firmware update failed. Now Im stuck with my 5800. Yay?
 
I couldn't wait to get home to play with my Nokia N900. It was all fine until I played with the camera. 'Operation Failed' I thought no big deal so I restarted the phone; Same results. Then I thought its the software so I updated the firmware. It FROZE AT 1 SEC REMAINING OF THE SECOND PHASE!! Now I dont know what to do...

b-man 2009-11-26 21:14

Re: Nokia N900 firmware update failed. Now Im stuck with my 5800. Yay?
 
have you tried re-flashing it again?

N900dweeb 2009-11-26 21:21

Re: Nokia N900 firmware update failed. Now Im stuck with my 5800. Yay?
 
If only the phone would power on. It turns on for like 1 sec flashes NOKIA and then it turns off

b-man 2009-11-26 21:27

Re: Nokia N900 firmware update failed. Now Im stuck with my 5800. Yay?
 
even with the usb cable plugged in?

archebyte 2009-11-26 21:28

Re: Nokia N900 firmware update failed. Now Im stuck with my 5800. Yay?
 
you sure the battery is charged? are you able to charge the battery while the phone is off?

how did you flash the firmware?

N900dweeb 2009-11-26 21:32

Re: Nokia N900 firmware update failed. Now Im stuck with my 5800. Yay?
 
Even with the USB in. My comp doesnt detect it. I used PC suite..... Its charged, i think? It charges through the usb port anyway but it wont charge correctly now. It charges shuts off and detects the charger and charges

archebyte 2009-11-26 22:14

Re: Nokia N900 firmware update failed. Now Im stuck with my 5800. Yay?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by N900dweeb (Post 394622)
Even with the USB in. My comp doesnt detect it. I used PC suite..... Its charged, i think? It charges through the usb port anyway but it wont charge correctly now. It charges shuts off and detects the charger and charges

Remove the battery and re-insert it. Try charging it again directly using the charger instead of the USB cable. The device will flash yellow during charging and green when done.

If I recall correctly, the PC Suite does not flash the N900. Are you using XP? If the Nokia Software Updater doesn't work for you, take a look here

Venomrush 2009-11-26 22:33

Re: Nokia N900 firmware update failed. Now Im stuck with my 5800. Yay?
 
To make sure the battery is fully charged, I'd suggest putting your N900's battery into your 5800 handset and charge it to full. Then swap it back into the N900

N900dweeb 2009-11-26 22:34

Re: Nokia N900 firmware update failed. Now Im stuck with my 5800. Yay?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by archebyte (Post 394699)
Remove the battery and re-insert it. Try charging it again directly using the charger instead of the USB cable. The device will flash yellow during charging and green when done.

If I recall correctly, the PC Suite does not flash the N900. Are you using XP? If the Nokia Software Updater doesn't work for you, take a look here

Ok imma try it when i get home

felbutss 2009-11-27 02:18

Re: Nokia N900 firmware update failed. Now Im stuck with my 5800. Yay?
 
same problem i had mate. 1 second left on NSU and then thats it.

it seems like this is gonna be a problem for a lot of N900 users. NSU bricks some of the phones.

im gonna test tonight another battery and see if it works to. i think nokia need to make some sort of recovery proccess as this isnt working out.


try this. put your 5800 fully charged battery in your n900.
then
1. remove battery
2. connect USB cable
3. start flasher-3.5 from command line
4. insert battery
5. flashing starts

N900dweeb 2009-11-27 04:14

Re: Nokia N900 firmware update failed. Now Im stuck with my 5800. Yay?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by felbutss (Post 394985)
same problem i had mate. 1 second left on NSU and then thats it.

it seems like this is gonna be a problem for a lot of N900 users. NSU bricks some of the phones.

im gonna test tonight another battery and see if it works to. i think nokia need to make some sort of recovery proccess as this isnt working out.


try this. put your 5800 fully charged battery in your n900.
then
1. remove battery
2. connect USB cable
3. start flasher-3.5 from command line
4. insert battery
5. flashing starts

How do I know its flashing? Its showing NOKIA on the screen

bbns 2009-11-27 04:18

Re: Nokia N900 firmware update failed. Now Im stuck with my 5800. Yay?
 
If it's flashing, you should be able to see the 'USB' icon on top-right of the screen then a second later it disappeared. The flasher should give you the progress (at least on Linux it does).

felbutss 2009-11-27 04:21

Re: Nokia N900 firmware update failed. Now Im stuck with my 5800. Yay?
 
im not sure what it does on the nokia screen but this tube video will show you what happens when the flasher app is flashing your phone.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kw2ZMyvzg6M?


if you entered this command into the flasher -R it will restart you phone as soon its finished flashing.

flasher-3.5 -F RX-51_2009SE_1.2009.42-11_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R




let us know how u went. my friend is coming over in 2.5 hours so we can try flashing my phone with his battery.

N900dweeb 2009-11-27 04:24

Re: Nokia N900 firmware update failed. Now Im stuck with my 5800. Yay?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bbns (Post 395096)
If it's flashing, you should be able to see the 'USB' icon on top-right of the screen then a second later it disappeared. The flasher should give you the progress (at least on Linux it does).

The USB icon is still there in the top right corner. This is what I did:

I downloaded the flasher and the .bin

I istalled the flasher and ran cmd

then i changed he directory

held down the u on the keypad and plug in the usb and waited until the usb stayed

let go of the usb and then i ran the binary

the screen is still showing NOKIA and the usb icon is still in the top right corner

N900dweeb 2009-11-27 04:25

Re: Nokia N900 firmware update failed. Now Im stuck with my 5800. Yay?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by felbutss (Post 395101)
im not sure what it does on the nokia screen but this tube video will show you what happens when the flasher app is flashing your phone.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kw2ZMyvzg6M?


if you entered this command into the flasher -R it will restart you phone as soon its finished flashing.

flasher-3.5 -F RX-51_2009SE_1.2009.42-11_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R




let us know how u went. my friend is coming over in 2.5 hours so we can try flashing my phone with his battery.

the youtube link is incorrect

N900dweeb 2009-11-27 04:58

Re: Nokia N900 firmware update failed. Now Im stuck with my 5800. Yay?
 
its not working :(

bbns 2009-11-27 05:12

Re: Nokia N900 firmware update failed. Now Im stuck with my 5800. Yay?
 
Maybe this link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1fwUxXl_lQ
Note that it comes with badly lighting.

N900dweeb 2009-11-27 05:29

Re: Nokia N900 firmware update failed. Now Im stuck with my 5800. Yay?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bbns (Post 395151)
Maybe this link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1fwUxXl_lQ
Note that it comes with badly lighting.

im doing the steps correctly but no feedback from the n900

felbutss 2009-11-27 05:39

Re: Nokia N900 firmware update failed. Now Im stuck with my 5800. Yay?
 
o sorry ye. its the video with bad lighting.

hhmmmmmmmmm if you followed the instruction on this page http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_firmware and its still not working your in the same boat as me


******just to let you guys know. nokia called me just now about my n900 being bricked after a NSU. they are investigating it. they got every bit of detail off me. might be getting a replacement. it seems to be an issue with a batch of them if you try to flash it.********

they finally got back to me after all the emails.

N900dweeb 2009-11-27 05:53

Re: Nokia N900 firmware update failed. Now Im stuck with my 5800. Yay?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by felbutss (Post 395178)
o sorry ye. its the video with bad lighting.

hhmmmmmmmmm if you followed the instruction on this page http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_firmware and its still not working your in the same boat as me


******just to let you guys know. nokia called me just now about my n900 being bricked after a NSU. they are investigating it. they got every bit of detail off me. might be getting a replacement. it seems to be an issue with a batch of them if you try to flash it.********

they finally got back to me after all the emails.

I should start emailing them!

felbutss 2009-11-27 05:55

Re: Nokia N900 firmware update failed. Now Im stuck with my 5800. Yay?
 
why couldnt Nokia make something as simple as apple did for the iphone. 'RECOVERY MODE' any idiot can restore there phone after an failed update. i hate the iphone and what it stands for but that feature for me is so important. what happens if my phone finishes its warranty and the same thing happens??? bad luck i guess

felbutss 2009-11-27 05:57

Re: Nokia N900 firmware update failed. Now Im stuck with my 5800. Yay?
 
can i ask how did you get your N900???

N900dweeb 2009-11-27 05:58

Re: Nokia N900 firmware update failed. Now Im stuck with my 5800. Yay?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by felbutss (Post 395206)
why couldnt Nokia make something as simple as apple did for the iphone. 'RECOVERY MODE' any idiot can restore there phone after an failed update. i hate the iphone and what it stands for but that feature for me is so important. what happens if my phone finishes its warranty and the same thing happens??? bad luck i guess

This is so annoying! I cant even power up my phone. Its just sitting there saying 'Play Me.' Then It teases me when I turn it on. The NOKIA phase comes on and the light brightens then.....POOF the screen turns black!

N900dweeb 2009-11-27 05:58

Re: Nokia N900 firmware update failed. Now Im stuck with my 5800. Yay?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by felbutss (Post 395208)
can i ask how did you get your N900???

nokiausa.com

felbutss 2009-11-27 06:03

Re: Nokia N900 firmware update failed. Now Im stuck with my 5800. Yay?
 
hmmm. everything that is happening to your is happening to mine. exactly the same.

did you try to flash it with a fully charged battery???

N900dweeb 2009-11-27 06:04

Re: Nokia N900 firmware update failed. Now Im stuck with my 5800. Yay?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by felbutss (Post 395222)
hmmm. everything that is happening to your is happening to mine. exactly the same.

did you try to flash it with a fully charged battery???

I dont think its the battery but I never flashed it in the beginning. I used PC suite to reinstall the firmware. It froze at 1 sec and now Im trying to flash but its not working

bbns 2009-11-27 06:08

Re: Nokia N900 firmware update failed. Now Im stuck with my 5800. Yay?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by felbutss (Post 395206)
why couldnt Nokia make something as simple as apple did for the iphone. 'RECOVERY MODE' any idiot can restore there phone after an failed update. i hate the iphone and what it stands for but that feature for me is so important. what happens if my phone finishes its warranty and the same thing happens??? bad luck i guess

At the current stage, N900 is probably only for power user. It's major focus is not on how 'easy' to flash (for an experienced Linux user, it's not too hard). There is no excuse for Nokia to make it easier to use, however.

Talking about QA, even the defective rate is 0.1%, every 1 thousand devices you will get one failure. And often defection comes in batch, you might be really unlucky one.

N900dweeb 2009-11-27 06:13

Re: Nokia N900 firmware update failed. Now Im stuck with my 5800. Yay?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bbns (Post 395228)
At the current stage, N900 is probably only for power user. It's major focus is not on how 'easy' to flash (for an experienced Linux user, it's not too hard). There is no excuse for Nokia to make it easier to use, however.

Talking about QA, even the defective rate is 0.1%, every 1 thousand devices you will get one failure. And often defection comes in batch, you might be really unlucky one.

Why do I have to be the unlucky one? :[

felbutss 2009-11-27 06:18

Re: Nokia N900 firmware update failed. Now Im stuck with my 5800. Yay?
 
lol. you must have the same batch as me. dont worry we are not alone there are already a few i met with the same problem. bricked N900's through NSU.

i just hope nokia fix this nice and quick for us. i was going to start developing some apps with a friend of mine then this happened. its put me off

N900dweeb 2009-11-27 06:21

Re: Nokia N900 firmware update failed. Now Im stuck with my 5800. Yay?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by felbutss (Post 395240)
lol. you must have the same batch as me. dont worry we are not alone there are already a few i met with the same problem. bricked N900's through NSU.

i just hope nokia fix this nice and quick for us. i was going to start developing some apps with a friend of mine then this happened. its put me off

Still learning on how to make apps but when you do dont forgot about the IP sensor on the side of the nokia n900 =]

N900dweeb 2009-11-27 06:22

Re: Nokia N900 firmware update failed. Now Im stuck with my 5800. Yay?
 
Im going to call them tomorrow and they better send me a new phone overnight and not make us wait like 3-7 business days

felbutss 2009-11-27 06:33

Re: Nokia N900 firmware update failed. Now Im stuck with my 5800. Yay?
 
they will probley make you take it to a Nokia service centre and they will try to flash it. if they cant they will replace the board. happened to me when i first got the N95. on the third week of having it, it bricked during a update. they made me wait a month for repairs. then the camera lens switch was playing up and guess what, another month. lol i didnt have a good run

bbns 2009-11-27 06:34

Re: Nokia N900 firmware update failed. Now Im stuck with my 5800. Yay?
 
I haven't updated the device through NSU. It might be specific NSU issues. I encourage you to file bugzilla to give stronger feedback to Maemo team.

Flasher might be the safest way (from my experience) since you are going to develop some apps on Maemo. I have flashed my devices hundreds times with flasher, not a single failure yet.

Sorry I couldn't provide experience from Windows perspective because I don't have Windows at all. :-/

N900dweeb 2009-11-27 06:35

Re: Nokia N900 firmware update failed. Now Im stuck with my 5800. Yay?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by felbutss (Post 395251)
they will probley make you take it to a Nokia service centre and they will try to flash it. if they cant they will replace the board. happened to me when i first got the N95. on the third week of having it, it bricked during a update. they made me wait a month for repairs. then the camera lens switch was playing up and guess what, another month. lol i didnt have a good run

so I guess youre going to go through the same thing again?

felbutss 2009-11-27 06:38

Re: Nokia N900 firmware update failed. Now Im stuck with my 5800. Yay?
 
they better not put me through that again. i will be very very very upset if they do. the lady on the phone was very nice though, seems like she cared. she tryed to ask me for the details of other people who won phones on blogs.nokia.com and got them bricked so she can call them.

by the way. im never using NSU again. EVER EVER EVER AGAIN. i will be logging a BUG report

N900dweeb 2009-11-27 06:40

Re: Nokia N900 firmware update failed. Now Im stuck with my 5800. Yay?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by felbutss (Post 395260)
they better not put me through that again. i will be very very very upset if they do. the lady on the phone was very nice though, seems like she cared. she tryed to ask me for the details of other people who won phones on blogs.nokia.com and got them bricked so she can call them.

by the way. im never using NSU again. EVER EVER EVER AGAIN. i will be logging a BUG report

IM NEVER GOING TO UPDATE PERIOD lol

felbutss 2009-11-27 06:43

Re: Nokia N900 firmware update failed. Now Im stuck with my 5800. Yay?
 
noooo updating is very good. it brings a lot to the device. the N900 will get better with each update. but ill be using flasher and not NSU. if NSU wasnt around, u and i will be playing with our MID's right now

N900dweeb 2009-11-27 06:45

Re: Nokia N900 firmware update failed. Now Im stuck with my 5800. Yay?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by felbutss (Post 395268)
noooo updating is very good. it brings a lot to the device. the N900 will get better with each update. but ill be using flasher and not NSU. if NSU wasnt around, u and i will be playing with our MID's right now

LOL but you know when something traumatic happens to you (e.g. A New York baseball player was pitched a ball to his head. Ever since then he doesn't play the same) dont want to do it again. Thats how I feel. . . .

bbns 2009-11-27 06:49

Re: Nokia N900 firmware update failed. Now Im stuck with my 5800. Yay?
 
If you want to develop N900 apps without device available running, please consider using RDA service: http://www.forum.nokia.com/Technolog...Device_Access/

It may help you kill some time.

felbutss 2009-11-27 06:55

Re: Nokia N900 firmware update failed. Now Im stuck with my 5800. Yay?
 
ye. ill be doing that anyway. done it before with symbian S60. but this platform is just way more exciting. i just want this fixed so i can forget about it and move on. lol my friend is a killer programmer we should have some good stuff coming.


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