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Black Plowman 2009-11-27 20:28

Trolls are attacking n900 because they...
 
hate our freedom.

maemojedi 2009-11-27 20:29

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Here here

BTW My device works perfectly

nirave 2009-11-27 20:30

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like "multi-tasking" with the iPhone

sevla 2009-11-27 20:30

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because it's missing basic features that are expected in today's smartphones.

jgalv 2009-11-27 20:32

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thus the reason for not marketing it as a smartphone?

MrGrim 2009-11-27 20:33

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Actually, they seem to be attacking the forums with useless threads for no apparent reason

Nitchers 2009-11-27 20:37

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jgalv (Post 396696)
thus the reason for not marketing it as a smartphone?

If it's not a smartphone, why are all the features that are missing going to be coming over the air soon? Surely this wouldn't matter that they were missing, if it's not a smartphone.

fouro 2009-11-27 20:40

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I wouldn't call them trolls, just people who are dissapointed since they got carried away with the hype, didn't get what they expected and now need a channel to vent their frustration. They need someone to blame.

hypnotik 2009-11-27 20:40

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because it reboots randomly while doing simple tasks like browsing this website?

BatPenguin 2009-11-27 20:41

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Black Plowman (Post 396686)
hate our freedom.

Mr. Bush, is that you?

jgalv 2009-11-27 20:43

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Nitchers (Post 396709)
If it's not a smartphone, why are all the features that are missing going to be coming over the air soon? Surely this wouldn't matter that they were missing, if it's not a smartphone.

Easy- these features are desired by the community.

nuknuk 2009-11-27 20:49

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Coz Nokia make there own bullets........... for themselves.

Moley 2009-11-27 20:54

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jgalv (Post 396696)
thus the reason for not marketing it as a smartphone?

Better ring up Nokia then and tell them that the N900 is on their website listed under phones... sounds like marketing it as a phone to me.

Also rememebr that the N95 was marketed as a "mobile computer" like the N900 is... or maybe you're saying that's not a mobile phone either?

Nitchers 2009-11-27 20:55

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jgalv (Post 396718)
Easy- these features are desired by the community.

Agreed, so the community wants the device to act as a smartphone or at least have the same basic features as a smartphone. That's why people might be upset because they want or expect the same. Let's also remember some of the features people are talking about aren't even smart they are quite dumb and have been around for years. So it might not have been advertised as a smartphone but it has certainly been advertised as a phone, and as such people have the right to expect common functions that are standard on practically all phones in the market at the moment smart or otherwise.

As a footnote i would like to add that at no point have i ever said a bad word about the device, but what i can do is empathise with those that are a bit miffed with what they expected to be under the hood.

benny1967 2009-11-27 20:56

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Nitchers (Post 396709)
If it's not a smartphone, why are all the features that are missing going to be coming over the air soon?

Are they? I have not read a confirmation from Nokia that what's missing will be in any version of Maemo 5.
The only thing I know about is portait mode browsing.

My impression was that phone-wise, it'll remain as it is and those who need a good phone are directed towards S60. Even the Maemo devices people day so, IIRC. (There is this one video interview with Ari where he keeps instisting the N900 is not Nokia's best smartphone or flagship and that S60-models are much better and will be for quite a while. Tried to find it, but couldn't. I think it was shot in Stuttgart.)

Texrat 2009-11-27 20:57

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Nitchers (Post 396709)
If it's not a smartphone, why are all the features that are missing going to be coming over the air soon? Surely this wouldn't matter that they were missing, if it's not a smartphone.

Not necessarily. It is competing for largely the same audience, so the features will be important regardless of the device class name.

11/(14-17)/09 2009-11-27 21:09

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they would have been better off keeping it a NIT and saying they would be beta testing phone features/3g on it or something. Just the 3g would have been great, gsm voice is stupid on a computer and i dont see why you would pay for voice when you can use voip. I work telecommunications, everything is moving IP anyway.

fouro 2009-11-27 22:08

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Just the 3g would have been great, gsm voice is stupid on a computer and i dont see why you would pay for voice when you can use voip.
Personally I really like the fact that it has voice functions. I wouldn't consider keeping an extra device with me without those functionalities (just a personal preference). The phone functionalities seem to be good enough for my infrequent phone usage so I can replace my E71 with it.

Skype alone wouldn't be enough for me. Most of the people I need to contact won't be reachable through it and I won't be around fast enough data connections always to use Skype.

Sopwith 2009-11-27 23:28

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Black Plowman (Post 396686)
hate our freedom.

Exactly. In the USA, N900 sells (for now) without a two-year lock-in to some lousy provider. The trolls have most likely bought an inferior phone within the last year and are jealous of the N900 that they cannot afford due to early termination fees...

DaveP1 2009-11-27 23:31

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Texrat (Post 396741)
Not necessarily. It is competing for largely the same audience, so the features will be important regardless of the device class name.

That's part of the problem. It should be competing either for the smartphone market or the MID market. Instead, it's software seems to be designed as a MID with some phone capabilities; it's hardware seems to be designed as a phone; and it's marketing "It's a phone. It's a computer." (from the Nokia USA website) seems to claim it excels at both. It doesn't and people are disappointed.

puelocesar 2009-11-27 23:38

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I thought Maemo community was welcoming the trolls with switch to Qt :P

range 2009-11-27 23:39

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Nitchers (Post 396709)
If it's not a smartphone, why are all the features that are missing going to be coming over the air soon? Surely this wouldn't matter that they were missing, if it's not a smartphone.

Are they "all" "coming soon"?

Enyibinakata 2009-11-27 23:52

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Quote:

Originally Posted by sevla (Post 396693)
because it's missing basic features that are expected in today's smartphones.

Troll troll go away dont come again another day.

Go back to your nice clean swept jail that Steve made for you :o . Or the nursery that big brother Google has put you in.

I am sick and tired of people that cannot appreciate ragged edged computing - they want it dumbed down, losers !

sjgadsby 2009-11-27 23:56

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Moley (Post 396733)
Better ring up Nokia then and tell them that the N900 is on their website listed under phones...

As was the 770, the N800, the N810, and the N810 WiMAX Edition. Therefore, it's hard to prove anything either way by positioning on the Nokia website. (Except, perhaps, that Nokia's web group isn't keen on changing their lovely design.)

Dave999 2009-11-28 00:03

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cause the need another brick to their new wall.

aironeous 2009-11-28 00:09

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jgalv (Post 396696)
thus the reason for not marketing it as a smartphone?

It's a phablet
phone+tablet

aironeous 2009-11-28 00:36

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Quote:

Originally Posted by fouro (Post 396858)
Personally I really like the fact that it has voice functions. I wouldn't consider keeping an extra device with me without those functionalities (just a personal preference). The phone functionalities seem to be good enough for my infrequent phone usage so I can replace my E71 with it.

Skype alone wouldn't be enough for me. Most of the people I need to contact won't be reachable through it and I won't be around fast enough data connections always to use Skype.

Everyone is reachable through skype check their really low rates unlimited by country.

Tintin 2009-11-28 00:41

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...because they enjoy seeing the blood boil on the closed-minded and rabid fanboys that refuse to listen to anything but praise?

mikec 2009-11-28 00:48

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Tintin (Post 397061)
...because they enjoy seeing the blood boil on the closed-minded and rabid fanboys that refuse to listen to anything but praise?

Is there a name for a Closed Minded Anti Fanboy?

Tintin 2009-11-28 00:50

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Originally Posted by mikec (Post 397071)
Is there a name for a Closed Minded Anti Fanboy?

Atheist...?

olighak 2009-11-28 00:52

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Quote:

Originally Posted by sevla (Post 396693)
because it's missing basic features that are expected in today's smartphones.

Actually itīs missing a lot of basic features to be expected in a tablet or a computer for that matter. So regardless of what you call it basic functions such as "search" are missing. :cool:

The contacts database and the email program are to rudimentary to be considered complete. The media player left out podcasts, but included everything else possible.

The front camera and the radio werenīt integrated by nokia, but by 3rd parties.

The icons in the UI canīt be moved and reordered, basic feature.

The bookmarks canīt be organized alphabetically. Basic feature again thatīs missing.

But itīs still a good device. Lets just refer to it as "the device"

daperl 2009-11-28 01:00

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...are really flesh-eating zombies. They only need one shot to the head, or a machete to the neck or just light them on fire. Otherwise, they just keep coming.

spinnukur 2009-11-28 01:38

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....the N900 is the mysterious, yet extremely hot girl that everyone wants but hardly ever gets and the iPhone ( which every schmuck can get ) is what they married only a day before they saw the N900 and realized they made a mistake... :P

Texrat 2009-11-28 01:46

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Quote:

Originally Posted by DaveP1 (Post 396966)
That's part of the problem. It should be competing either for the smartphone market or the MID market.

I disagree. I see no reason why Maemo devices can't straddle both. The issues you cited are not insurmountable. They're software/firmware shortcomings, not hardware.

Crashdamage 2009-11-28 01:54

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Quote:

Originally Posted by spinnukur (Post 397119)
....the N900 is the mysterious, yet extremely hot girl that everyone wants but hardly ever gets and the iPhone ( which every schmuck can get ) is what they married only a day before they saw the N900 and realized they made a mistake... :P

LOL Reminds me of a post I did somewhere...I said the N900 is kinda like the hottest woman in the room - but she has 6 toes. Can you overlook some faults to take advantage of all the other goodies?

I can, no problem. If I could live with an early G1 w/Android 1.0, I can easily live with the N900/Maemo 5. Piece a cake...

Texrat 2009-11-28 02:02

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Quote:

Originally Posted by sjgadsby (Post 397003)
As was the 770, the N800, the N810, and the N810 WiMAX Edition. Therefore, it's hard to prove anything either way by positioning on the Nokia website. (Except, perhaps, that Nokia's web group isn't keen on changing their lovely design.)

Arg, you have no idea how many times and ways I tried to get those responsible to correct that.

And if only you guys could see what this looks like from the INSIDE. I'll just say "ouch".

DaveP1 2009-11-28 04:25

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Texrat (Post 397122)
I disagree. I see no reason why Maemo devices can't straddle both. The issues you cited are not insurmountable. They're software/firmware shortcomings, not hardware.

I absolutely agree (and hold out hope) that a future N9xx model will successfully straddle both. Right now, though, it's as if the picket fence between the two markets is a bit higher than the N900's legs and that can be problematic in an area where I try to avoid problems.

Enyibinakata 2009-11-28 13:20

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of course maemo5 is rough around the edges but its potential can only be ignored by the blind trolls.

Whatever its faults, kudos to Nokia for going anti corporate with the n900. I hope they dont go too iphoney in Maemo6 but strike a balance.

Fargus 2009-11-28 13:24

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Moley (Post 396733)
Better ring up Nokia then and tell them that the N900 is on their website listed under phones... sounds like marketing it as a phone to me.

Also rememebr that the N95 was marketed as a "mobile computer" like the N900 is... or maybe you're saying that's not a mobile phone either?

You'll also find the N770/N800 and N810 there but I think you'd be hard pushed to call them phones.

Fargus 2009-11-28 13:27

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Quote:

Originally Posted by aironeous (Post 397057)
Everyone is reachable through skype check their really low rates unlimited by country.

Maybe in the USA everyone loves Skype but a lot of people here in the rest of the world use telephones to talk to one another.


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