Re: Is Maemo.org The N900's Real Competition?
 

Honestly, only Nokia has to care about noobs that don't bother or know how to help themselves. If community members, and there are plenty of us, decide to help the lazy and/or rude, good for both parties. But generally, tech communities aren't looking to foster the lazy, the rude and the stupid. And none of us here are delusional enough to think the success or failure of these devices depends on how we respond to transients. Either the hardware and software are good enough or they're not. If not, we b*tch about the hardware, and we try to fix the software. That's it! The rest should just be good, clean, noisey fun. Well... Okay... Sometimes it can be bad and dirty. But I'm not budging on the fun part.

Re: Is Maemo.org The N900's Real Competition?
 

I suggest that all new users attempt this before installing anything from extras-devel:

Go to your local McDonalds and order a burger. When it has just been placed on the grill and is still raw, demand that you be served it at once. You will be refused. Try your rant about the customer being right (in this case a paying customer) and it will get you nowhere. This is not because the spotty kid flipping burgers is elitist or superior (though he probably has a basic certificate in food hygiene). It's because there's a fairly high risk of food poisoning from eating raw burgers, and he doesn't want to lose his job when McDonalds are closed by the environmental health department. Your burger isn't ready yet.

There are rules and restrictions placed on us all the time which vary according to our capacity and qualifications. In one of the buildings I work in I hold a key to every room in the building except one. Not because the keyholders are superior or elitist, but because I lack the necessary skills to use what's in there safely. I can't buy arsenic, cyanide or more than a handful of paracetemol - is my pharmacist being elitist?

The developers here are, to put it mildly, extremely busy. This is a new device, and while some of them got a few weeks' march on it, they have spent that time bringing somewhere in the reason of 70 apps to a point where they are deemed entirely safe for everyone. That has been their focus, not writing FAQs, wikis, or holding the hand of people who have bricked their device foolishly. For those who've had problems through no fault of their own, the community have been here.

I hear so much impatience in the posts here. How long have you had the device? Less than a week? But the app you want must be available now, the wiki must be already written (by whom?) the FAQ must be full of pretty screen shots... most of the people who will do those things haven't even got their devices yet.

To the suggestion that the community must either provide End User Support or point people to somewhere that does - no the community is under no obligation to do either. It does what it does entirely from goodwill. You have a user manual from Nokia - the manuacturers consider that to be all the information you should ever need.

Rather than ranting that the app you want is still cooking, how about thanking the person who voluntarily in his/her own free time has started created it, and hopefully intends finishing it? How about volunteering, if you feel able, to be involved in the process - offer to test it! The developers are delighted to have good testers who can provide high quality feedback on the bugs in apps still in testing. Though be aware that the feedback process is highly technical.

Under all this I hear a profound sense of Entitlement. You have paid for the device, for a guarantee from Nokia, and a user manual. And that is what you have received. You have paid nothing to the community, and they owe you exactly nothing. You have no 'entitlement' to free apps before they are ready for publication: what if the dev intends to sell this when it's finished? Are you willing to pay for having it early?

Is it good to see people with technical knowlegde help out new End Users? Yes, of course it is. It is also good to see new End Users treat people who have technical knowledge with the respect due to that knowledge, especially when they're willing to follow the advice they're given even if it's not what they want to hear.

Re: Is Maemo.org The N900's Real Competition?
 

Let's re-read your original post that I have quoted in it's entirety shall we?

In it you say:

You did not post any links to help understand this. :confused:

You go on to say your were contacted by a "mystery" member of maemo.org in another fora...

This "mystery member" posting outside this forum, apparently told you the reason and the purpose of maemo.org.

You then go on to post an unquoted bit about "the revenge of the nerds" that is apparently conjecture.

You go on further and use the example of "how to get a maemo/unique animation for the boot screen" and because no one has written a WiKi or has given you a step by step instruction on how to do this you wonder:

... and then go on to post (without supporting links I might add):

You finally come to the conclusion that:

If I left out any relevant information please refer to the complete text that I quoted in its entirety at the beginning of this post. :)

Others have come to your defense which I think is admirable and has more to do with the "future" of maemo.org.

Others have not agreed with you and I think that has nothing to do with the "future" of maemo.org but more to do with the logic you used to support your conclusion. :)

In my posts I have tried to show that I think your logic is faulty. I think your conclusion is wrong because of that. I admit I am guilty of not providing supporting links as well.

To that all I have is this:

>> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=4527

and then this:

>> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=14059

To show how veteran members treated at least one "newbie" with a unique problem. :)

Re: Is Maemo.org The N900's Real Competition?
 

That's hilarious on so many levels when you were straight up making stuff up earlier in the thread, but whatever.

Re: Is Maemo.org The N900's Real Competition?
 

This thread has reduced to a pissing contest. Please refactor.

Re: Is Maemo.org The N900's Real Competition?
 

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I've pissed the furthest so far!

Re: Is Maemo.org The N900's Real Competition?
 

Yeah thanks for your input :rolleyes:... I just posted what I believe was a long thought out reply and you responded with a one line general statement about the quality of the thread.

If you did not mean my recent post then... Why do you do this with out linking or quoting the posts you mean?

Just wondering out loud. No need to respond. :)

Re: Is Maemo.org The N900's Real Competition?
 

Relax YoDude. I wasn't referring to any of the welcome wisdom that you or anyone else has posted here-- but rather the pissing contests that persist despite it. It was a general assessment and I didn't think there would be a need to point to exceptions. They're self-obvious.

You can easily see I've Thanked your contributions.

It isn't all about You, Dude.

Re: Is Maemo.org The N900's Real Competition?
 

If I'm pissing in the wrong place, please can I blame it on my age and hormones?

Re: Is Maemo.org The N900's Real Competition?
 

Yup, I was just wondering why not ^that explanation in the first place... that's all.

I was trying to understand how to "refactor" :confused:

BTW, when following my links you will see that they are all about me and my experience with this forum. :p

I didn't know if this is what needed refactoring.

Your follow up explanation was much clearer, Thank you. :)

Added:

It was your insightful post right before mine that sparked me to reflect on my own experiences. :)

BTW, I can no longer piss the longest. I'm more of a sprinter now. :D