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Personally, I think the thread ended with Kathy's post. I see lot of asking, but zero offers to give a hand on improving things.

People are right when they say that the community should do this or that. What they fail to realize is that they are also part of the community, and hence, they could do it themselves.

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I also agree that this ended with Kathy's post. But I don't agree with your comments, I offered to help, tried to make a suggestion and got shot down by a senior member on a power trip??

Explain that one???? This place will die a death if people act like that towards new user that are trying to get involved and contribute. I am a new user (to linux) and I don't want to be spoon-feed, but I don't want to get shot down for making a reasonable suggestion either!!!!

(BTW: the software we test in the field comes with release notes: why is something similar here such a stupid idea? As I understand it the packages don't at the moment, if they do please forgive me and point me in the right direction...thanks :)

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I'm not a senior member. Look at my join date.

(I'm not a playa, I just post a lot)

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Credibility is inversely correlated with font size.

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Depends how you define "senior". Anyway, no-one's comments should be answered like that on here regardless of their seniority.

Help new people to get involved = more testers = more feedback = better apps = happier users = more people getting involved ;)

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Dave, all you need to contribute to the wiki is to create a log-in. If you have useful information for that or the FAQ, please go right ahead and add it. The more the better.

Help files/release notes are far from a bad idea. You might like to join the discussion here.

If you have ideas and want some screen shots, PM me with exact details and if I can, I'll supply. I do have an n900, who is quite willing to post his pics (unlike me). I'd rather not install too much more than I have already, though.

The other thing to say is that if people are downloading apps from testing or devel, please please make sure you are providing feedback. The more good feedback we get, the sooner these apps will be ready for everyone.

What isn't helpful is demands and cristicism loaded with impatience and demand aimed at people who do this in their free time for fun.

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Everyone is doing lots of gum bumping. Evidently we have issues here. I'm ready to solve them if we're ready to do that as a community. I and a couple others seem to have some good ideas to make things better.

I know a few tricks on building loyalty and community. First, share information. If something requires an advanced skill set, give resources to attain those skills. If something can brick your device, let them know, and require they show the ability to backup and recover that device or they acknowledge they're taking an expensive risk. EVERY app should have a thread, and the opening post should be updated to include the latest version's installation, recommemded skill level, and warnings and disclaimers on its use. There should be illustrated guides on setup and usage, and links to post bugs. This could actually be embedded into the app as well, so when help is needed, it takes you there.

These are things we take for granted in other forums, and we need to step our game up. And we really need a code of conduct or a post voting mechanism to "dim" rude, useless, disruptive, disrespecful, and abrasive commenters like on Engadget. Maybe have a goodwill button, and jerks lose karma or something for rudeness. Its getting old.

I've made efforts to be nicer, but quite a few here are always jerks, and its tolerated. Why not more heavily moderate things and outlaw this useless rude behavior and move forward? Must we beef daily?

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Thanks, I am happy to wait to get the device before starting to make some notes/guides/screenshots, shouldn't be too long now.....but I ordered from MPD.....so you never know :D

I am more than happy to test and give feedback, the thread you added looks like exactly the idea I am trying to get across.

I actually agreed that demands/cristicism/impatience were not good for anyone, and never tried to demand things from people, my actual point was to try and take some of the focus off the developers by creating a central documentation centre so people could go there first rather than hassle them (#111)

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What is your problem? If you have got nothing useful to post THEN DON'T!

There are some good ideas on here getting ruined by your useless self gratification.

Of course people use the posts and thanks system to judge seniority/experience! Thats what its for. I judge all the seniority (experience) of members on here by that system as join date doesn't mean anything.

I could be a 30 year veteran developer and have joined yesterday (with a million posts and 10 million thanks, or a bin man who joined 5 years ago (with one post named "what am I doing on here, im a bin man, I don't even know what a Maemo is" and no thanks, who are you going to listen to when it comes to software/issues???? ummmmmm :eek:

Disclaimer: No disrespect to bin men, mearly trying to illistrate a point (only non-geek job I could think of! :D) that the join date system doesn't always work.

Christexaport, thanks for that post I think you have some good ideas there, maybe take a look at the thread Kathy left for me, make for interesting reading....

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I tried to turn it into a useful thread by suggesting solution to someone's gripe but you are the one that continued.

There were useful points born out of a useless thread, but they were swamped by:

I am not a role-model

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as far as I'm concerned, I am a senior member. Been giving advanced support for smartphones online for 4 years. I'm new to you guys, but not the mobiles community. But few people here venture far from Maemo.

I'm a G. Jay you ain't know about me? ;P

I always try to carry myself as a senior member, and remember my actions reflect upon Maemo and Nokia. I want Maemo to succeed. With cooperation it can.

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Yeah well you didn't do much to try and get it back on topic either, did you, even though you could see people were trying.

Well one good point, found a thread (thanks Kathy) where the good ideas from this are being discussed by people that actually want to contribute, not just vent a bit of "small guy, big pond" attitude at other completely uninterested people.

Oh sorry please don't miscontrued that as being rude ;)

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Dave Dickson is also a name well known in the mobile space. I wish everyone knew the major players in the game and treated them as such. We shouldn't have to earn respect. It should be given and received by default, regardless who we are.

I back everything you've said 100%, Dave. I'm ready to abandon ship if things don't improve with everyone's attitude. Even Ray Charles can see there's a problem. How long will w be in denial?

I have done download pages and guides before, and can do them on MF. But why do double work? We don't need a comittee to do it, just effort from anyone asked. It would cut down on all the time wasted answering the same question over and over.

BTW, how do you make screenshot without the yellow bar? I'm using Load Applet. Is there another tool?

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If this thread keeps going on as it has, I'm gonna lose my senior member cool.

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As u all know i recieved my N900 too few days ago too.
Well my phone is all fine, congrats to nokia thay did a great job but i have a biger problems ish:

-PC suite my phone is not yet supported
-Ovi suite my phone is not yet suported
-And my software updater is saying that my win 7 is not yet supported so cant innstal it....
-Maps loader my phone not yet supported

What im supose to do now or till they make it work all????

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Jay, I usually get a kick out of you, but enough is enough.

And don't twist one of my catch phrases like I'm in violation of one. I know very well you get the original meaning and how it doesn't apply to a post war.

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Contol-shift-p and lookee in your pics folder for a prize.

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???

I have been using PC Suite since I got my N900 to sync contacts and calendar items...

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Check you have the most up to date version of pc suite. The week before last's is too old.

It can be a bit clunky at first, but it does work.

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So? Who gives a toss who started it - what are you, three?

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Right click on the installer and look for a tab with Compatibility. Go safe and check it to be compatible with WinXP SP3 and click Run as Administrator.

That should do.

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Exactly right about the respect, everyone should have it automatically.

Thanks for your support, I was just trying to help.

Jay, I do apologise if you thought I was being rude asking you to re-read, but come on "This, maybe?" I'm sorry thats sounds sarcastic to me, plus not what I was asking for either. Friendly nudge -> two word posts are GOING to get misunderstood. It takes literally two second to add "Maybe this will help?" and then there is no confusion. There are so many posts of sarcastic people ripping into newbies are you suprised my back was up from the get go??

Christexaport --> I totally agree we can just do it and upload it, the only reason I wanted it to be public and by comittee was some order to who is doing what, saves us both doing the same one ;)

The thread below is probably the best place for this discussion --> I have what I want from this one so I am out of here. Look forward to talking more on here:

http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...411#post399411

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If only you knew...

I have to say, Nokia has been good to me. Using a loaner N900 right now until mine is delivered. Gotten more free devices than I've bought. In fact, I've owned every Symbian N and Eseries device save the N91, N92, N85 and N86, as well as some lessor models, but have only bought 7 out of pocket. I speak weekly to various Nokia spokespeople and managers, and really feel valued by them. Big reason I'm quick to pick up the pom poms. LOL.

Nokia keeps me off the streets, real talk. I used to be a baller out here in these streets. Guitar Center was like my 7-Eleven. Spent more on mics than a year's rent in a day multiple times. Now I'm a blogger/promoter. All with Nokia's support. And evidently they're as proud as I. It keeps me going. So don't buy it now, but its the real and I'm what that is. :)

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The developer is more concerned with making it work rather than posting a walkthrough for how to install it. The people who are likely testing it are more concerned with reporting bugs, issues then writing a walkthrough for it. Which takes time (and people aren't being paid to be here).

So for anyone else who wants to learn how to use it their options are to read up on the posts, or to wait till someone has time to post a guide. But given how small the community was, most people have been in the developer, or testing role.

Given all the new people here that want to see things change I see it as a perfect opportunity for them to read through the posts and learn and then create a walkthrough for everyone else. It's a perfect opportunity since Maemo 5 and the n900 is relatively fresh (less to read right now). Especially those who actually have the device.

And like I pointed out before, there is a wiki so there has been attempts made to centralize the information. It's more an issue of time.

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Thanks, stupid me i shuld figure that out my self. Just realy frustrated been too much beind this pc with my n900 in my hands trying for it to work as i want it tooo

Have to take break....:D

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Don't feed the trolls ladies.

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I think I'm going to be sick :(

I'm out. But thanks for explaining your interest in Maemo...

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I didn't necessarily mean the developer to write it, just someone, anyone, myself included.

My point was there was not all the information that I needed on the thread (the easy debian one is very good, but doesn't cover everything).

So central document, which can be edited by anyone would be the way forward. Plus points = central document for update editing, exact location on the wiki with "How to" at the start (everyone knows where and what they are).

I tried to search when I first came on here to find out myself how to get open office on the N900 and when I typed into search this was like 20 down on the list: [Debian] ANNOUNCE: Easy Debian Turbo-Charged Edition! Plus the fact that I had no clue what "easy debian" was, so why would I have gone on it to read it?

Only after I posted did someone tell me that I was looking for that, so central document with easy naming convention would be big plus to newbies.

I think what people missed was the fact that I would be happy to write ALL of them (lots of free time - I work offshore :D ) but I just wanted somewhere to put them! LOL I wanted a bit of a tech guide from the dev then expand that and make it easy for the general user. I know its a bit more work for them, but they can do a really bare bones doc which gives the rest of us mid-level users enough to go on to expand. And then everyone can point questions at us or search the expanded doc, taking the load actual away from the dev. Btw it wasn't just a walkthrough I wanted it was a knowledge page for all user levels.

Hope that makes sense.... :)

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I'm sick of being a self employed freelancer, so no green for me at the moment. Hardest thing about working for someone else. And of course I love reading my own words. ;P

I wasn't personalizing that, and it doesn't just apply to you, but me and everyone else here. "He started it" is so unbecoming of adults, and just fuels the fire. Who'll end it?

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No. Good common sense did that. Maemo/Nokia/Symbian keep me from robbing, killing, stealing, pimping, and SELLING crack and various other illegal libations. I'm pro NORML, but very anti drug.

Mobiles has replaced music lately. Just not enough money flowing around right now. It'll comeback, though.

Re: Is Maemo.org The N900's Real Competition?
 

The N900's real competitor are all the people out there looking for the next iPhone who get the N900, then go ranting off about how its not an iPhone which then leads to alot of negative reviews, scaring people off.. :/

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i didnt want iphone. i wanted open.

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I'm glad to see this thread has gotten somewhat back on track.
Maybe we can each learn a lesson and just close it now? :)

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OT. Sorry. I created a folder called "Screenshots" under .images and now, for some reason, all my screenshots automatically go in there. I don't know how it decided to start using that, but I like it!

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Good post, good analogy :)

-J

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Needs more cowbell.

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Maybe file manager defaults to last folder created?

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Why does this thread read like a surrealist nightmare? how much of it was deleted?

tia

Re: Is Maemo.org The N900's Real Competition?
 

You probably missed the part where David Lynch rearranged the messages.