maemo.org - Talk

maemo.org - Talk (https://talk.maemo.org/index.php)
-   Applications (https://talk.maemo.org/forumdisplay.php?f=41)
-   -   Lack of pirated software - dealbreaker? (https://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=35435)

clonmult 2009-12-01 11:28

Re: Lack of pirated software - dealbreaker?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by andybehr (Post 400940)
I think the time of expensive apps is pretty much over.

GPS Navigation being the last stronghold (70-90 Euros). But even here we see changes. Google Navigation is already free and caused a drop in the GPS makes stock prices. It would be easy for Nokia to provide free turn-by-turn navigation since they own Navteq!

One thing the Apple app store showed, cheap software can still make you rich. Yes I know, it does not really work for the Android market right now, but I believe that to be a technical and an marketing issue with the marketplace app.

One last thought: Why do you think there won't be pirated software for the N900? Look at the N810 and the navigation add-on for Maps.

+1

The GPS stronghold is slowly disappearing. Google Maps on Android does what most people would want now, and don't forget open streetmap :

http://www.openstreetmap.org/

Which is totally free, and has the community updating the maps. I've checked a few local places, and its considerably more up to date than google maps.

jaark 2009-12-01 11:40

Re: Lack of pirated software - dealbreaker?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by agogo (Post 401303)
this means commercial applications will need to be extremely good to stand out.

That is exactly the way it should be - pay for quality, not cheap tat fart apps.

chemist 2009-12-01 12:05

Re: Lack of pirated software - dealbreaker?
 
Would you mind to change the thread's name, please?

I'm some kind of offended reading it.

All this deal-breaker stuff keeps me laughing as this system and the new device with it are a deal-breaker, they break the piracy deal. Where no lock there no picker! If something is good I want to pay for it even if its 'only' a donation.

There is no lack of pirated software as there is no need for it. Emulators are not a pirated good, the ROMs are and those you wont find in any OSS repository.

If you are still concerned, ask nokia for a software lock down to get a jailed device again. But believe me, you will have assassins after you and they dont even want to get paid for it.

solpete 2009-12-01 12:19

Re: Lack of pirated software - dealbreaker?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by chemist (Post 402576)
Would you mind to change the thread's name, please?

I'm some kind of offended reading it.

Ive tried to change it, lets see if moderators allow it.

Rushmore 2009-12-01 12:26

Re: Lack of pirated software - dealbreaker?
 
I would be happy to pay for apps, but they have to be there to buy. I knew there would be limited selection, but I did not anticipate it being as limited as it is. I did not realized the dev community was as small as it is. Great people, but still kind of small, if we extrapolate based on what is currently available.

As far as games, Android would suck after one year, but has arcade and console emulators that are the best I have seen. Still, that is only three people doing them. If the emulators were not there, Android would really suck- if you like games.

Then again, the problem with Android is the lack of app space. Maemo 5 is due to lack of time and apps & games will come. I hope.

dantonic 2009-12-01 12:31

Re: Lack of pirated software - dealbreaker?
 
I'm reading all these comments implying that "poor" people from other countries should have the ability to pirate because they cannot afford to purchase the software...

Putting aside the argument about how affordable apps would be... Who says you should be able to afford it? There are poor people and rich people in the world. If you cannot afford something then you DON'T BUY IT!

Why the heck should a developer waste his time=money to create an application that you are basically going to steal with the excuse of "I'm poor so I deserve to have it." An application is NOT a necessity, you are NOT entitled to it. Live without it!

I'm glad I don't live in a communist nation...

jaark 2009-12-01 13:11

Re: Lack of pirated software - dealbreaker?
 
I also find the thought "I hate company X, so I'll pirate all their software and use it without paying" is disingenuous. If you don't like the company, don't use their software. For everything outside of highly specialised niches, there are other options available.
Use other software, get your friends and family to use other software .. that will start too hurt the company you 'hate'.

Many people are surprised to find that there's not much sympathy for pirates in the FLOSS crowd - it's copyright law that keeps our software open :)

Rushmore 2009-12-01 13:21

Re: Lack of pirated software - dealbreaker?
 
If someone releases the following: I will buy them- even though they were "free" on Android.

1. Shazaam
2. Shopsavvy
3. An app that will allow voice integration with Google search and Ovi maps.
4. Better photo app
5. VLC optimized for N900- or Coreplayer
6. Hardware based audio EQ
7. Image app that allows edits and special effects

Not even touched games yet, since I want these "basics" first.

mannakiosk 2009-12-01 13:49

Re: Lack of pirated software - dealbreaker?
 
It's true that the GPL, for example, rests on copyright law. But it is also true that the GPL is about sharing, so someone in the FOSS crowd may well be of the seemingly contradictionary opinion that its the right thing to do to violate copyright when it comes to sharing culture to enrich the lives of people who can not afford everything, but that it is the wrong thing to do to use GPL:ed code without sharing the modifications source.

Edit: I don't pirate software. Software piracy hurts FOSS. If it weren't for SW piracy, more people would use FOSS. Regarding music and such, on the other hand, I might be persuaded to believe that legal and moral aren't necessarily always the same thing...

solpete 2009-12-01 13:58

Re: Lack of pirated software - dealbreaker?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dantonic (Post 402620)
I'm reading all these comments implying that "poor" people from other countries should have the ability to pirate because they cannot afford to purchase the software...

Putting aside the argument about how affordable apps would be... Who says you should be able to afford it? There are poor people and rich people in the world. If you cannot afford something then you DON'T BUY IT!

Why the heck should a developer waste his time=money to create an application that you are basically going to steal with the excuse of "I'm poor so I deserve to have it." An application is NOT a necessity, you are NOT entitled to it. Live without it!

I'm glad I don't live in a communist nation...

You don't understand the thread at all. Read again.

jaark 2009-12-01 13:59

Re: Lack of pirated software - dealbreaker?
 
The GPL is about sharing what the authors want to be shared. It does not in any way encourage or legitimise the use of pirated code. As the SCO case showed, GPL people take copyright and attribution more seriously than most closed software manufacturers.

ewan 2009-12-01 14:17

Re: Lack of pirated software - dealbreaker?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jaark (Post 402736)
The GPL is about sharing what the authors want to be shared.

It's not quite that straightforward. The free software movement is founded on a belief that software should be free, not that it should be free if authors want it to be. The GPL is a clever legal hack to encourage this to be increasingly the case whilst working within the law as it exists. The author(s) of the GPL would be quite happy if software freedom was mandated by law for all software and the GPL became redundant.

mannakiosk 2009-12-02 13:33

Re: Lack of pirated software - dealbreaker?
 
Here's something about the Free Software Foundations stand on sharing:

Quote:

The Free Software Foundation is concerned with the freedom to copy and change software; music is outside our scope. But there is a partial similarity in the ethical issues of copying software and copying recordings of music. [...]

No matter what sort of published information is being shared, we urge people to reject the assumption that some person or company has a natural right to prohibit sharing and dictate exactly how the public can use it.
On the other hand, here's an explanation of how the abolishment of copyright would hurt Free software.

attila77 2009-12-02 14:14

Re: Lack of pirated software - dealbreaker?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jaark (Post 402519)
That is exactly the way it should be - pay for quality, not cheap tat fart apps.

The idea is sound, but on the ecosystem level, it can be dangerous. With an all-proprietary/commercial solution, this is not a problem - a helathy profit margin is everybody's interest. Here, however, the table turns. Free software doesn't care about other people's profit margin. Make higher quality apps, you say ? It's not that easy - resources (time and money) are limited and there is no inherent guarantee that a classic-model oriented developer will be able to keep up with a successful large OSS projects that has hundreds of contributors. In those terms, the higher pressure on commercial developers is a double edged sword with regard to the end users - you might get higher quality apps, but at the same time that might be the cause why a commercial project folds.

Texrat 2009-12-02 14:26

Re: Lack of pirated software - dealbreaker?
 
Man, that slippery slope just shows up everywhere... :D


All times are GMT. The time now is 17:04.

vBulletin® Version 3.8.8