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iJanne 2009-12-03 22:30
Re: Nokia n900 horrible!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by sevla (Post 408538)
I wish people would stop repeating this marketing ********. It's a damn phone, end of story. All this "mobile computer" crap is non-sense and a poor attempt at creating a new marketing gimmick.

It's shaped like mobile phone it looks like a mobile phone it rings when people cAll me and I can call people on it. Stop using this " it's not a phone it's a mobile computer" as an excuse to have BASIC PHONE features not work properly or non existent all together.

Nokia really has some of you brainwashed and it's scary.
Look, I'm an Apple fan, first and foremost.

Yet even I knew what the N900 was and was not, with a few minutes of research beforehand.

It bugs me people do absolute no research and then are annoyed when the thing isn't what they expected.

It is perfectly clear what the N900 is and is not when one understands the Nokia Internet Tablet/mobile computer line of products and the Maemo 4 of 5 step.

I do agree some of the PR stuff Nokia has done is confusing, but that doesn't change the N900s design goals which clearly did not define a consumer-grade smartphone, but instead a mobile computer with phone functionality.

That is why it is step 4 of 5. Next step is the consumer smartphone. Nokia told us all this, months beforehand.

Deny this all you want, won't make it untrue, though.

If anything, this is definitely NOT marketing ********. If anything, it is the marketing ******** and media attention that has muddied this issue. The roadmap and device specs announced and communicated outside of marketing ******** clearly support my position.

volt 2009-12-03 22:30
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Originally Posted by iJanne (Post 408506)
It was not designed to be one and this was announced beforehand.
Most people here agree, however, most people elsewhere weren't listening to that particular Nokia announcement with eager impatience. It's hard to notice that it only has a section of the phone features when it's being marketed as being more than a phone.

For Nxxx owners, maemo.org really is the center of the world. But for future owners, it's really not.

When I buy a new motherboard I usually read the comments at newegg, and a handful of reviews. Not an asus owner forum.

squirreluk 2009-12-03 22:32
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To be fair this phone is not even availabile from mobile networks yet, I was looking for a phone for some time before i came across this last week. If the phone is fit for purpose and going to do well its the like of vodafone direct and o2 that will decide this. Most basic phone users would never buy a phone straight from nokia or mobile phones direct. So my point really is its up to the mobile providers when they stock it to explain to customers what it is or is not.

God 2009-12-03 22:35
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Quote:
Originally Posted by iJanne (Post 408550)
Look, I'm an Apple fan, first and foremost.

Yet even I knew what the N900 was and was not, with a few minutes of research beforehand.

It bugs me people do absolute no research and then are annoyed when the thing isn't what they expected.

It is perfectly clear what the N900 is and is not when one understands the Nokia Internet Tablet/mobile computer line of products and the Maemo 4 of 5 step.

I do agree some of the PR stuff Nokia has done is confusing, but that doesn't change the N900s design goals which clearly did not define a consumer-grade smartphone, but instead a mobile computer with phone functionality.

That is why it is step 4 of 5. Next step is the consumer smartphone. Nokia told us all this, months beforehand.

Deny this all you want, won't make it untrue, though.

If anything, this is definitely NOT marketing ********. If anything, it is the marketing ******** and media attention that has muddied this issue. The roadmap and device specs announced and communicated outside of marketing ******** clearly support my position.

So they're too dumb to bring a decent gadget out?

Oh I get it, it's to get them financially stable, so they can proceed to step 5? They sell a crappy half/half device that doesn't offer pure experience on either side, so that they can then release a complete one? Wow...they're such genius, they tricked people into buying a phone for 500+ haha! Owned by Nokia again ;)

God 2009-12-03 22:36
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Originally Posted by nuknuk (Post 408560)
Look two idiots together.:D
Is your mic working yet?! PMSFL!!!!

squirreluk 2009-12-03 22:38
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Quote:
Originally Posted by God (Post 408562)
So they're too dumb to bring a decent gadget out?

Oh I get it, it's to get them financially stable, so they can proceed to step 5? They sell a crappy half/half device that doesn't offer pure experience on either side, so that they can then release a complete one? Wow...they're such genius, they tricked people into buying a phone for 500+ haha! Owned by Nokia again ;)
All the reviews i have seen say this phone is great,so are you saying these have all been written by nokia to trick us into buying the phone? I only bought the thing because of the good reviews.

jaysire 2009-12-03 22:38
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sevla (Post 408538)
I wish people would stop repeating this marketing ********. It's a damn phone, end of story. All this "mobile computer" crap is non-sense and a poor attempt at creating a new marketing gimmick.
Yeah. We've seen previously unheard of stampedes to be among the first to receive the N900. Yet, the N810 does everything much better than the N900 right now: XMMS, Canola, Maemo Maps etc etc etc. Except for maybe one thing...

So what makes people willing to trample each other to death in the fight to get their greasy nerd paws on an N900? Why hasn't there been a similar stampede to get the N810? What does the N900 do, that the N810 doesn't? GPS? Physical keyboard? Large screen? Large resolution? Unparalleled performance? Or maybe the phone?

I don't think there's any sense denying that the PHONE-feature is the main reason so many have taken the step and are willing to jump on the Nokia tablet bandwagon. The promise of having only ONE device with you everywhere you go.

osfight.de 2009-12-03 22:39
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@knishou and iJanne

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Originally Posted by kanishou (Post 407143)
That's just plain rude. Try to write a desktop environment from scratch and don't overlook any software issues, then we can talk again about "laziness". No amount of testing can protect you from that, that is also why major iterations of other operating systems (like Vista, OS X, or the iPhone OS) were anything but flawless.

As a consumer you always have the choice whether you jump right in and be one of the first to use something entirely new, or wait a while until most of the kinks have been ironed out.
You guys have just no clue what u talking about. First of all, I just bought two units of the N900, one for me, one for my friend. Second of all, I support cutting edge technology and also tolerate somewhat bugs and flaws in new approaches, especially on Linux. However, that does not mean, I am not a fan of working software and a phone which tries to be a computer (and not uses this as an excuse). You have to admit, that things like missing MMS and Portrait modus are definitely due to a lack of man power, which does not mean that any of the Maemo guys have been lazy, that is why I said it "SOMEWHAT implies". I am on your site when it comes to tolerance towards teething problems with such a hot new product and so on, but whatsoever, thinking for Nokia, it is more than in their sense to sell a consumer-friendly product, for the majority of consumers.

volt 2009-12-03 22:39
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Very few of my family members would google something before they bought it. They would go into a store, look at the phones on the wall, and the prices, and buy the one that looks neatest at the right price point. They would look insecure, and a sales person would come over and talk them into buying the one they look at.

I believe that is much more representative for Nokias customers than this site is.

People are not going to know what they are getting themselves into.

iJanne 2009-12-03 22:40
Re: Nokia n900 horrible!
 
Look, clearly there are two separate issues here.

One is what the N900 was supposed to be and what it is. Sure, it has some bugs that still need ironing out, but feature-wise it is what was announced and communicated to us. Many people seem to be disputing this or ignoring this, but I consider it indisputable fact.

Second, obviously, is how the N900 is perceived to be - and how any marketing from Nokia, media attention or public's expectations play towards forming this perception. I agree Nokia should communicate this better. And I do think a lot people buying or considering one have done lowsy research into their product choice and are *****ing partly in result of their own laziness.

I don't agree N900 is missing something it was announced to have. N900 is pretty much how it was announced and doing what it is supposed to do. But if someone is ignorant of the press releases and announcements, and just reads Nokia.com shop listings their expectations might lead them to believe the N900 to be more than it is. Not that the Nokia.com is untrue (when I read it with my expectations it doesn't seem to claim anything untowardly), it is just people expect the N900 to have things nobody is actually claiming it to have.

nuknuk 2009-12-03 22:42
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If you dont get the N900 then DONT get it SIMPLEZ

volt 2009-12-03 22:44
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I also do not think it is missing something it is announced to have. Only what it is expected to have. We're in perfect agreement.

houz 2009-12-03 22:44
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Mine works perfectly! Uptime of 4 days now ;) I *&%^ing love this thing!!!!!!!

I only had the device go non responsive once (screen wouldn't unlock or light up) luckily i was reversed ssh'd to my 900 and it was still responding! Just told it to "reboot".


Did I mention!!?!?!? I LOVE THIS DEVICE!!! TY Maemo community and Nokia!

God 2009-12-03 22:48
Re: Nokia n900 horrible!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by squirreluk (Post 408572)
All the reviews i have seen say this phone is great,so are you saying these have all been written by nokia to trick us into buying the phone? I only bought the thing because of the good reviews.
You're just naive.

1: You can't rely 100% on a personal belief

2: Don't get sucked into the media & technology now a days, they take your money like hot pancakes

3: I never said it wasn't a good phone, I said it's not offering enough experience on either side, mobile/computer. It should have came out later, with better features & childhood syndromes being fixed.

squirreluk 2009-12-03 22:49
Re: Nokia n900 horrible!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by iJanne (Post 408580)
Look, clearly there are two separate issues here.

One is what the N900 was supposed to be and what it is. Sure, it has some bugs that still need ironing out, but feature-wise it is what was announced and communicated to us. Many people seem to be disputing this or ignoring this, but I consider it indisputable fact.

Second, obviously, is how the N900 is perceived to be - and how any marketing from Nokia, media attention or public's expectations play towards forming this perception. I agree Nokia should communicate this better. And I do think a lot people buying or considering one have done lowsy research into their product choice and are *****ing partly in result of their own laziness.

I don't agree N900 is missing something it was announced to have. N900 is pretty much how it was announced and doing what it is supposed to do. But if someone is ignorant of the press releases and announcements, and just reads Nokia.com shop listings their expectations might lead them to believe the N900 to be more than it is. Not that the Nokia.com is untrue (when I read it with my expectations it doesn't seem to claim anything untowardly), it is just people expect the N900 to have things nobody is actually claiming it to have.
I always believe that part of the fun of buying a phone like this is the fact that new items, features, apps, etc are going to be added all the time. The phone will constantly be improving and most high end phones are like this now, even the iphone when first out was like this.

nuknuk 2009-12-03 22:51
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Quote:
Originally Posted by God (Post 408597)
You're just naive.

1: You can't rely 100% on a personal belief

2: Don't get sucked into the media & technology now a days, they take your money like hot pancakes

3: I never said it wasn't a good phone, I said it's not offering enough experience on either side mobile/computer. It should have came out later, with better features & childhood syndromes being fixed.
Or maybe its to complicated for you to work out :eek:




















Think about it............:D



;)

squirreluk 2009-12-03 22:54
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Why worry about cost 12 months down the line some muppet will still buy it off ya for £350.

sevla 2009-12-03 22:55
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Quote:
Originally Posted by iJanne (Post 408550)
Look, I'm an Apple fan, first and foremost.

Yet even I knew what the N900 was and was not, with a few minutes of research beforehand.

It bugs me people do absolute no research and then are annoyed when the thing isn't what they expected.

It is perfectly clear what the N900 is and is not when one understands the Nokia Internet Tablet/mobile computer line of products and the Maemo 4 of 5 step.

I do agree some of the PR stuff Nokia has done is confusing, but that doesn't change the N900s design goals which clearly did not define a consumer-grade smartphone, but instead a mobile computer with phone functionality.

That is why it is step 4 of 5. Next step is the consumer smartphone. Nokia told us all this, months beforehand.

Deny this all you want, won't make it untrue, though.

If anything, this is definitely NOT marketing ********. If anything, it is the marketing ******** and media attention that has muddied this issue. The roadmap and device specs announced and communicated outside of marketing ******** clearly support my position.
Do you really think anyone outside outside of this forum knows or even cares that this is "step 4 of 5"? When you go to Nokia's website, do they have a section for mobile computers? Is the n900 under that section.. No... It's found with the other PHONES.

Regardless of all of that the n900 should NOT be getting a pass on legitimate bugs because you and whoever else thinks it's a "mobile computer". That is the point I'm trying to get you to understand. What does the op's problems and concerns with the phone have to do with this device being a "mobile computer"? Should he expect and accept that the blue functionality is not going to act the same as others devices with cellular capabilities?

The gripe I have with this forum is that EVERY single time someone makes a post with legitimate issues someone either says "it's a mobile computer so why would you expect that smart phone feature to work like other smart phones" or "go buy an iphone". It's disgusting.

This forum really should only be for developers and hardcore enthusiasts because anyone outside that category is treated like garbage..

nuknuk 2009-12-03 22:56
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Quote:
Originally Posted by squirreluk (Post 408614)
Why worry about cost 12 months down the line some muppet will still buy it off ya for £350.
On the ball m8ty there is enough of them out there and on here.:D

sljonson 2009-12-03 23:04
Re: Nokia n900 horrible!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by sevla (Post 408538)
I wish people would stop repeating this marketing ********. It's a damn phone, end of story. All this "mobile computer" crap is non-sense and a poor attempt at creating a new marketing gimmick.

It's shaped like mobile phone it looks like a mobile phone it rings when people cAll me and I can call people on it. Stop using this " it's not a phone it's a mobile computer" as an excuse to have BASIC PHONE features not work properly or non existent all together.

Nokia really has some of you brainwashed and it's scary.
No, veterans of Maemo.org see that N900 for what it is. They have been involved with the softare and hardware they even stop of it's evolution from N770 to present day. Others' like myself have been involved even long . I've helped (mostly as a guinea pig) with the development of the a lot of the technology as it was development.

The N900 is the next milestone in the development of the Maemo OS and Internet Tablet hardware. Yes they added basic phone functionality and began it's integration into the Maemo eco-system. Yes as a smart-phone is an immature platform. But Maemo doesn't have years of Symbian code and expertise to draw upon. As such, much of the Phone and other support system have to written from scatch or non-phone software roots. Nokia could not add everything in terms of smartphone feature and get the N900 out the door in reasonable timeframe. Compromises had to be made, and feature dropped for the initial deployment. But all of the stuff that is mission is merely software. Given enough time it will be developed and deployed.

I know what the N900 is. For me it's the converged device that I've been wanting for the over 2 years. I've begun leaving my N810 and old 3G phone at home both turned off. I don't have 3G service in my area for the N900, but I don't care. The N900 is just that good to me. The N900 is not perfect. There are a lot of annoying behaviours I don't like, but they aren't enough to make me want to return the N900.

People are being honest of what the N900 is. It's foremostly the latest version of the Nokia Internet Tablet and secondly it's a mobile communications device of which voice is just one protocol among many.

sevla 2009-12-03 23:06
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sljonson (Post 408636)
No, veterans of Maemo.org see that N900 for what it is. They have been involved with the softare and hardware they even stop of it's evolution from N770 to present day. Others' like myself have been involved even long . I've helped (mostly as a guinea pig) with the development of the a lot of the technology as it was development.

The N900 is the next milestone in the development of the Maemo OS and Internet Tablet hardware. Yes they added basic phone functionality and began it's integration into the Maemo eco-system. Yes as a smart-phone is an immature platform. But Maemo doesn't have years of Symbian code and expertise to draw upon. As such, much of the Phone and other support system have to written from scatch or non-phone software roots. Nokia could not add everything in terms of smartphone feature and get the N900 out the door in reasonable timeframe. Compromises had to be made, and feature dropped for the initial deployment. But all of the stuff that is mission is merely software. Given enough time it will be developed and deployed.

I know what the N900 is. For me it's the converged device that I've been wanting for the over 2 years. I've begun leaving my N810 and old 3G phone at home both turned off. I don't have 3G service in my area for the N900, but I don't care. The N900 is just that good to me. The N900 is not perfect. There are a lot of annoying behaviours I don't like, but they aren't enough to make me want to return the N900.

People are being honest of what the N900 is. It's foremostly the latest version of the Nokia Internet Tablet and secondly it's a mobile communications device of which voice is just one protocol among many.
Ok so with that being said, is it your opinion that blue tooth or other phone functionality found in the device should not be working or basic phone features flat out missing?

osfight.de 2009-12-03 23:09
Re: Nokia n900 horrible!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by iJanne (Post 408580)
Look, clearly there are two separate issues here.

One is what the N900 was supposed to be and what it is. Sure, it has some bugs that still need ironing out, but feature-wise it is what was announced and communicated to us. Many people seem to be disputing this or ignoring this, but I consider it indisputable fact.

Second, obviously, is how the N900 is perceived to be - and how any marketing from Nokia, media attention or public's expectations play towards forming this perception. I agree Nokia should communicate this better. And I do think a lot people buying or considering one have done lowsy research into their product choice and are *****ing partly in result of their own laziness.

I don't agree N900 is missing something it was announced to have. N900 is pretty much how it was announced and doing what it is supposed to do. But if someone is ignorant of the press releases and announcements, and just reads Nokia.com shop listings their expectations might lead them to believe the N900 to be more than it is. Not that the Nokia.com is untrue (when I read it with my expectations it doesn't seem to claim anything untowardly), it is just people expect the N900 to have things nobody is actually claiming it to have.
I am not quite sure where you get your opinion form. If somebody asks you if you wanna have all the features you can hardly deny and say no. Nokia does not seem to know where to place this phone, as it is the most advanced approach of a phone to be a pc - or MAC? -, but people won't only buy it because of being a computer. They could just simply go for a netbook with more power and bigger screen, even Nokia offers these. The attractive thing is clearly its hybrid status, of being both, making things easier. So it is clearly a mobile computer, but if it also wants to be accepted as a phone too, it has to improve. That is all what people are claiming and demanding. And you gonna see, that is also what Nokia wants.

Untouchab1e 2009-12-03 23:09
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Honestly, I see no "basic phone features" missing.. Unless you consider unique ringtones for each contact a basic phone feature.... (Something that I have never used >.<)

mikec 2009-12-03 23:10
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I love this debate on Smart Phone features.

It appears to me that the arguments For features is because the average consumer expects them and therefore the N900 is not for the average consumer.

Where as the power users of the N900 don't care a stuff FOR these phone features and are happy with the limited phone features.

So are "Smart Phones" for non sophisticated users, and "Dumb-phones" for sophisticated users?

Maybe it reflects the change from Voice/Voice mail based world to an Online , instant gratification one. Maybe Nokia are smarter than we all think.

God 2009-12-03 23:11
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Originally Posted by nuknuk (Post 408585)
If you dont get the N900 then DONT get it SIMPLEZ
nuknuk :|! Don't over do it...

sevla 2009-12-03 23:13
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Originally Posted by Untouchab1e (Post 408647)
Honestly, I see no "basic phone features" missing.. Unless you consider unique ringtones for each contact a basic phone feature.... (Something that I have never used >.<)
I don't have the phone yet so forgive me if i'm wrong.. I've only been messing with the sdk.

But can I filter call logs yet? Ca ni see ONLY missed or received calls...

That is a basic phone feature....


Is it there?

Untouchab1e 2009-12-03 23:14
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mikec (Post 408648)
I love this debate on Smart Phone features.

It appears to me that the arguments For features is because the average consumer expects them and therefore the N900 is not for the average consumer.

Where as the power users of the N900 don't care a stuff FOR these phone features and are happy with the limited phone features.

So are "Smart Phones" for non sophisticated users, and "Dumb-phones" for sophisticated users?

Maybe it reflects the change from Voice/Voice mail based world to an Online , instant gratification one. Maybe Nokia are smarter than we all think.
The average consumer expect certain features, some of which they dont find in the N900, while the power users of the N900 expect certain features which the N900 has that no other phone has. So, its really just a balance between two worlds. If you want what the N900 has to offer, go for the N900. If not, then I would suggest staying away for now.. No one is forcing you to buy it and the missing features are no secret!

iJanne 2009-12-03 23:15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sevla (Post 408616)
Do you really think anyone outside outside of this forum knows or even cares that this is "step 4 of 5"? When you go to Nokia's website, do they have a section for mobile computers? Is the n900 under that section.. No... It's found with the other PHONES.
Yeah, just like the great phone N800, that is also listed there. The N900 is a phone, though. But that is not its full description or product goal - and it definitely is not a consumer-level smartphone. This is obvious looking at its predecessors and the five step roadmap Nokia announced, back in, what was it - 2004?

I agree Nokia PR is confusing, but anyone doing half a bit of research can see what this product is and is not. Nokia was open and honest about it, we've known the steps for years and the announcements and interviews from earlier this year were clear. This is not a consumer smartphone release.

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Regardless of all of that the n900 should NOT be getting a pass on legitimate bugs because you and whoever else thinks it's a "mobile computer". That is the point I'm trying to get you to understand. What does the op's problems and concerns with the phone have to do with this device being a "mobile computer"? Should he expect and accept that the blue functionality is not going to act the same as others devices with cellular capabilities?
N900 should not be getting a pass on legitimate bugs, agreed.

Besides, I am responding to responses, not the original poster I believe.

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The gripe I have with this forum is that EVERY single time someone makes a post with legitimate issues someone either says "it's a mobile computer so why would you expect that smart phone feature to work like other smart phones" or "go buy an iphone". It's disgusting.
Now, let's define legitimate issues. If you say legitimate issues like someone's phone rebooting, then definitely that deserves some good responses. If someone posts here how come the phone doesn't do portrait for other than phone and how it doesn't have all the stuff N97 does, then I don't think they "got" the product.

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This forum really should only be for developers and hardcore enthusiasts because anyone outside that category is treated like garbage..
Actually some see it reverse. This place is being treated like the dumpster by a lot of people who don't seem to understand what the N900 is supposed to be. They want it to be something it wasn't designed or announced to be, and personally I think it merits a response.

Untouchab1e 2009-12-03 23:18
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Originally Posted by iJanne (Post 408660)
If someone posts here how come the phone doesn't do portrait for other than phone and how it doesn't have all the stuff N97 does, then I don't think they "got" the product.
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Exactly! And this happens like, how many times a day? People go out and buy devices they dont really know what are and then come here and complain about it. They have probably just seen the Nokia branding on it and considered it the new N97...

Sorry, but such topics are getting old.. really old!

iJanne 2009-12-03 23:18
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Originally Posted by Untouchab1e (Post 408657)
The average consumer expect certain features, some of which they dont find in the N900, while the power users of the N900 expect certain features which the N900 has that no other phone has. So, its really just a balance between two worlds. If you want what the N900 has to offer, go for the N900. If not, then I would suggest staying away for now.. No one is forcing you to buy it and the missing features are no secret!
Would people settle for a compromise:

The N900 is not a consumer-level smartphone, and Nokia did announce it truthfully. But late PR and salespeople pitches have muddied the issue and Nokia needs to be more clear about it. Also, the N900 has some bugs to be ironed out. And Nokia needs to come out with that consumer-level smartphone, step 5 of 5, pronto.

How about that?

Neegs 2009-12-03 23:20
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Originally Posted by sardaukar (Post 408418)
What edge don't you tolerate? (honest question)
To be honest i didnt expect there to be as many bugs coming out. the phone itself i still cant wait to get but i figure i will wait for the firmware update. there is nothing in particular that worries me just the number

my flat mate has the n97 and that was just terrible. it has made me question the n900. although its a different OS and it has lots of community support its is still a Nokia which means it is going to follow a similar test cycle and processes etc etc etc i was am hoping the same mistakes will not be made so i will wait and find out.

also i do like lots of phone functionality and was willing to give this up for a mini computer. im not willing to give it up for a buggy mini computer. i know its a new OS so there will be bugs, i guess its my fault in having got worked up about the phone and my expectations may have been too high :rolleyes: but i havent given up :D

Untouchab1e 2009-12-03 23:20
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If Nokia can iron out the bugs ASAP and maybe bring a few wanted features to the table, then I think we should all be satisfied.. honestly!

HangLoose 2009-12-03 23:21
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Quote:
Originally Posted by iJanne (Post 408667)
Would people settle for a compromise:

The N900 is not a consumer-level smartphone, and Nokia did announce it truthfully. But late PR and salespeople pitches have muddied the issue and Nokia needs to be more clear about it. Also, the N900 has some bugs to be ironed out. And Nokia needs to come out with that consumer-level smartphone, step 5 of 5, pronto.

How about that?
People have been trying to say this for a long time... I dont think you will convince the haters/fanboys otherwise :)

But nice try dude...

iJanne 2009-12-03 23:22
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Ironically, even though I can agree based on posts here that the N900 has bugs, none have crossed me yet.

It actually has worked pretty much perfect for the whole, what, two weeks I've had it now.

Knock on wood definitely.

sljonson 2009-12-03 23:23
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sevla (Post 408641)
Ok so with that being said, is it your opinion that blue tooth or other phone functionality found in the device should not be working or basic phone features flat out missing?
If basic phone functionality was not working, I would have returned the device last Friday. My N900 is in part replacing my work phone, it [b]HAS[b] to work because at time I go oncall. Bluetooth headsets, AD2P streaming, SMS and voice calls work well enough for me.

And since you asked indirectly I'll mention those annoying behavious I mentioned. First is the FM transmitter being kicked off when a bluetooth headset connects to the N900. (specifically it's the hands free feature of my car's stero system). Knowing how the sound subsyste works in Maemo, I understand why but I'm not happy with it. I think it should only diable the FM xmitter is a headphone bluetooth device connects. We really need a sound mixer so an advanced user has control over how sound is mixed on the N900 (and other Maemo hardware).

A missing phone feature, the big one for me is voice dialing. That's the one I really miss. I had vowed my next phone would have it since Palm decided not to add it into their Treos. But I went and bought the N900 anyway.

Other missing features I'd like to see user definable profiles that extend well into the other apps. (For instance disable Email app's auto updating at night. And enable it during the day. An other example is disable/enable each account individually for each profile.) That's all I got off the top of my head.

bAxon 2009-12-03 23:25
Re: Nokia n900 horrible!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by sevla (Post 408654)
I don't have the phone yet so forgive me if i'm wrong.. I've only been messing with the sdk.

But can I filter call logs yet? Ca ni see ONLY missed or received calls...

That is a basic phone feature....


Is it there?
the N900 is too sophisticated for that type of functionality :eek:

HangLoose 2009-12-03 23:26
Re: Nokia n900 horrible!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Untouchab1e (Post 408671)
If Nokia can iron out the bugs ASAP and maybe bring a few wanted features to the table, then I think we should all be satisfied.. honestly!
Btw, any idea/rumor which features/squashed bugs will be in the 1.1?

iJanne 2009-12-03 23:29
Re: Nokia n900 horrible!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by HangLoose (Post 408672)
People have been trying to say this for a long time... I dont think you will convince the haters/fanboys otherwise :)

But nice try dude...
I think part of the problem is that because of the confusion, not created just by Nokia but media and market too, it is not the same people making the flammatory statements. So even if a few "get" it, more will pour in not getting it.

Clearly a risky move, the 4 out of 5. I agree that some damage probably is being done to Nokia, not only to maemo.org slash N900.

iJanne 2009-12-03 23:33
Re: Nokia n900 horrible!
 
This was written by a blog earlier this year:

Quote:
This reception of Nokia N900, contrasts very sharply with the attitude displayed toward the device by every Nokia exec who was talking about it.

You would think that, having made such a superb device, they would be preaching from every corner and pulpit to make sure we notice.

Instead, Anssi Vanjoki has spent a whopping 3 minutes at the end of 62 minute opening keynote (including OPK presentation), talking about N900. Half of that time was spent talking about the beginnings of Maemo platform, Nokia 770 internet tablet, and how this is just step 4 in five step program (read: somewhat unfinished product)!

And it went downhill from there.

In the follow up interviews we heard how this is just a niche product, how they see an open channel (non-subsidized, non-operator) as the main for N900 sales, that Nokia won’t really push N900 to operators, how it is important to sell N900 to the right people (read: limited sales and promotion), etc; etc;

The impression I get from all of this is of, if not an outright dismissal of N900 as a flagship for Nokia, then extreme cautiousness, expectations management and downplaying the potential attractiveness of the device.

And I wonder why that is.
Read the rest here:

http://www.unwiredview.com/2009/09/0...900-really-is/

Yeah, I don't wonder why that is.

Venomrush 2009-12-03 23:35
Re: Nokia n900 horrible!
 
I don't have any of the problems you mentioned. Beside portrait mode only available in Phone? Well we already know that and portrait will be available system wide through firmware updates.

If you blame the software and device, then we're all on the same boat.

Therefore it's user's fault, not knowing how to use the device properly.


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