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77h 2010-02-05 12:55

Re: What would you realistically like to see in the N920?
 
base model with great price and optional add ons (like in the car industry but with good pricing)

want a better camera.. -> you can have a 8mp with amazing hd vid functionality

optional with and without keyboard


want a compass -> you can have it for USD 14

etc pp...

NokiaRocks 2010-02-05 12:56

Re: What would you realistically like to see in the N920?
 
SD instead of micro SD ? Why ? Want an even bigger device ?

soeiro 2010-02-05 13:03

Re: What would you realistically like to see in the N920?
 
- Higher capacity battery
- Stretch the real screen to cover all face of the phone (larger screen keeping the same size of the phone)
- Magnetometer (digital compass)
- Thermometer (temperature)
- Altimeter (hight)
- Use the OneNAND only for booting and recovery, give us a a full 32GB rootfs
- 1GB RAM + more NAND
- Wifi N
- Make the microUSB port more robust (so that it is firmly fixed)
- Place another USB controller, this one not chargeable, but supporting host mode
- Better front face camera: with a clear image, at least
- SDXC card (instead of the micro SD), on the outside
- Don't place the sim card below the battery
- Better GPS (or at least, better GPS software)
- A thinner version, re-engineering the components layout
- A real camera flash, besides the led flash

TA-t3 2010-02-05 13:26

Re: What would you realistically like to see in the N920?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by NokiaRocks (Post 511787)
SD instead of micro SD ? Why ? Want an even bigger device ?

There are cameras out there so small they're nearly credit-card sized, and they _still_ manage to use a full-size, proper, external SD slot. So I don't buy into that.
The real point is that an internal micro-SD is useless for easy access to cards from other devices, even if you went ahead and replaced every card of those devices with micro-cards in adapters. An internal microSD card is what's used for a traditional phone with little or no internal storage ("memory" to some), as a permant, never-removed storage extension. The N900, with its 32GB built-in storage, hardly needs that.

The N900 is a computer, a media central, a lot of things. An external SD slot makes it possible to easily insert cards from my other devices: Cameras, Zoom H4 4-track recorder, PDAs, Video, soon an R16 recorder, and more.

Get rid of that internal microSD, it's not very useful. Install something useful instead: full-size, external SD slot (and make it SDXC compatible when you're at it, as suggested by soeiro).

77h 2010-02-05 13:49

Re: What would you realistically like to see in the N920?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TA-t3 (Post 511828)
There are cameras out there so smal they're nearly credit-card sized, and they _still_ manage to use a full-size, proper, external SD slot. So I don't buy into that.
The real point is that an internal micro-SD is useless for easy access to cards from other devices, even if you went ahead and replaced every card of those devices with micro-cards in adapters. An internal microSD card is what's used for a traditional phone with little or no internal storage ("memory" to some), as a permant, never-removed storage extension. The N900, with its 32GB built-in storage, hardly needs that.

The N900 is a computer, a media central, a lot of things. An external SD slot makes it possible to easily insert cards from my other devices: Cameras, Zoom H4 4-track recorder, PDAs, Video, soon an R16 recorder, and more.

Get rid of that internal microSD, it's not very useful. Install something useful instead: full-size, external SD slot (and make it SDXC compatible when you're at it, as suggested by soeiro).

That might help. I once received one as a advertising gift from intel and I have it on my key ring. since micro sd's now can store up to 32 gig it is an amzing litte thing :)

77h 2010-02-05 13:53

Re: What would you realistically like to see in the N920?
 
sorry did not read your post properly.. my proposed solution only helps re pc but not with the other devices:

Cameras, Zoom H4 4-track recorder, PDAs, Video, soon an R16 recorder, and more.

TA-t3 2010-02-05 13:55

Re: What would you realistically like to see in the N920?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by soeiro (Post 511799)
- Place another USB controller, this one not chargeable, but supporting host mode

Part cause of the micro-USB fiasco is that, funnily enough, you can't do that. Or at least not if you want OTG mode too.

It's all laid out in this PDF from the USB consortium.

Quote:
3.1.1 OTG devices
An OTG device is required to have one, and only one USB connector[...]
/Quote

So, if you have a functioning OTG-capable USB port you're not allowed to add a second one (for e.g. charging).

It's better to just get rid of the micro-USB charging mode altogether, it was a stupid idea to start with. Particularly as Nokia was one of the few vendors that used to have a functioning charging plug (unlike S-E and most other phone / PDA vendors out there).

Flandry 2010-02-05 14:01

Re: What would you realistically like to see in the N920?
 
Why stop at SD? My Zaurus has both an SD and a CF slot. Let's do that!

I'm being silly. I hope it's clear the line between reality and fantasy was somewhere over there. ;)

It would be nice to have some form of removable storage (and by removable i mean without opening up the phone). I'm not sure i'd want to go back to SD now that i have microSD, but i guess there are always adapters. I'd rather have USB host with the socket well-placed to not be in the way while using the device; i could just get an adapter and use USB keys for removable storage like i do for other computers.

penguinbait 2010-02-05 14:05

Re: What would you realistically like to see in the N920?
 
here we go again.

1024x600
bigger screen
512mb ram

carrier discounts in USA / Canada

TA-t3 2010-02-05 14:11

Re: What would you realistically like to see in the N920?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by zwer (Post 511774)
That ain't gonna happen if they want to sell their devices in Europe.

The micro-USB 'common charger' solution isn't mandatory, only advisable. Not that I care that much, if Nokia could a) make it more robust, b) make it charge with the 1.2A the charger can do (which it definitely doesn't, it takes much longer to charge than my N800 ever did), and c) completely ignore the USB consortium document I quoted, and just install a normal, additional USB port. (more about that later)

Quote:

External, yes. But I see no reason not to keep the micro SDHC slot - it saves a huge amount space and works just like its big-format brother. Granted, you can cram more things on a full-sized SD, but since N900 does not support SDIO (or at least it seems that way), there is really no advantage.
I don't really see what SDIO has got to do with it, I don't use SDIO on anything anymore (I used to, with a wi-fi card on my PDA - but there are hardly any real SDIO devices out there.) The point for me is that my _other_ devices use large-capacity, full-size SD cards.

However, the realistic solution will probably have to be the second USB port, as mentioned above. Because, as Flandry says:
Quote:

Originally Posted by Flandry
It would be nice to have some form of removable storage (and by removable i mean without opening up the phone). I'm not sure i'd want to go back to SD now that i have microSD, but i guess there are always adapters. I'd rather have USB host with the socket well-placed to not be in the way while using the device; i could just get an adapter and use USB keys for removable storage like i do for other computers.

(I added the bold)
Yes, I could definitely live with that, as I got a nice, very small adapter with a Lexar card I bought. It transforms any full-size SDHC card to a little USB key. I could grab a card from my 4-track recorder, or from a camera, and then just plug it into the USB connector on the 920, if it had one.

attila77 2010-02-05 14:12

Re: What would you realistically like to see in the N920?
 
So, what happened to the REALISTICALLY part of the title thread ? People seem to have switched to pure wishlist mode... Now, to set a few things straight:
  • It's OMAP3, so not A9, multicore
  • It's OMAP3, so speeds above 600 to choose from are 720MHz, 800MHz and 1GHz
  • HD output will be tricky business as there is just one high res output and that's tied to the LCD - so it will be a switch/choose mode, you can't have simultaneous LCD and HDMI/whatever output
  • Multitouch - it has been mentioned just far too often in connection to Maemo 6 to expect anything else. Resistive would be a surprise as I don't think Nokia will experiment in unproven (regardless of how promising) tech for it's first mainstream maemo device.
  • microusb OTG - deal with it. They might leave a backdoor for hackers, but considering regulations and standards, it won't come with host mode 'out of the box'

zwer 2010-02-05 14:52

Re: What would you realistically like to see in the N920?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TA-t3 (Post 511887)
The micro-USB 'common charger' solution isn't mandatory, only advisable. Not that I care that much, if Nokia could a) make it more robust, b) make it charge with the 1.2A the charger can do (which it definitely doesn't, it takes much longer to charge than my N800 ever did), and c) completely ignore the USB consortium document I quoted, and just install a normal, additional USB port. (more about that later)

I remember I saw somewhere that EU officials are pushing it to be mandatory by 2012 now when all the major players agreed. Tho that would be giving an unfair advantage to some technology so it might fail if taken to a court.

I'm more inclined to adding an additional USB OTG-enabled port for those purposes. To hell with the USB consortium document.

Quote:

Originally Posted by TA-t3 (Post 511887)
I don't really see what SDIO has got to do with it, I don't use SDIO on anything anymore (I used to, with a wi-fi card on my PDA - but there are hardly any real SDIO devices out there.) The point for me is that my _other_ devices use large-capacity, full-size SD cards.

You can cram, for example, a digital compass into a SD card and have your device use it through SDIO - it would be harder to cram it into a micro SD. Consider it a poor-man's extension card :D

As for the size, almost all micro SD cards come with an adapter so they could fit into a full SD readers, so it's not an issue - well, at least not when you buy new cards be it for your other devices or for 'N920' itself.

geneven 2010-02-05 15:04

Re: What would you realistically like to see in the N920?
 
I would like to see the limitation causing the need to optify done away with.

I think the N900 is pretty darned good and I don't expect that much from the N920.

Multitouch, capacitive don't seem that appealing to me. Decent text to speech and Audible compatibility would be nice. (Hey, the Kindle has Audible compatibility and it's Linux.)

deadmalc 2010-02-05 15:11

Re: What would you realistically like to see in the N920?
 
The only thing I'm missing is maemo6 and a faster cpu.
I can't see any use for multi touch (for me).

Guess I'm going to be well happy :-D

jsa 2010-02-05 15:12

Re: What would you realistically like to see in the N920?
 
One thing no-one mentioned yet would be NFC. Symbian roadmaps are full of it and Nokia has been trumpeting it for a long time now so that's not even completely unrealistic.

osomanos 2010-02-05 15:12

Re: What would you realistically like to see in the N920?
 
What? It's the N910 already out?
Darn, how could I have missed it???

geneven 2010-02-05 17:40

Re: What would you realistically like to see in the N920?
 
There won't be an N910 and probably won't be a N940 or beyond. It has to do with superstition, in a way. People won't go for an N950 because it basically says "hey, we're almost to the next version, if you buy this you will regret it". The N920 says "this is a small improvement on the N900". The N910 would basically be announcing itself as the bug-fix version.

gerbick 2010-02-05 17:43

Re: What would you realistically like to see in the N920?
 
Most realistic thing I want from the N920? For it to come out as a tablet.

attila77 2010-02-05 21:26

Re: What would you realistically like to see in the N920?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by geneven (Post 511967)
I would like to see the limitation causing the need to optify done away with.

It has been strongly suggested by Nokians on the dev lists /opt is considered a temporary solution. It's unclear as to whether the NAND will be used through some middleware layer to merge partitions, or if it will be used for swap as it's supposedly faster than the eMMC. Coincidentally, this might be one of the stumbling blocks of why it's not trivial to put Maemo6 on a N900.

speculatrix 2010-02-06 23:25

Re: What would you realistically like to see in the N920?
 
I'd want the n920 to be waterproof with a powerful laser, so that I could strap it to a shark :-)

TooMuchMoney 2010-02-06 23:42

Re: What would you realistically like to see in the N920?
 
* A keyboard to rival the five row HTC Touch Pro 2 - better still just copy it.

* 3.7" - 4" screen without making the footprint too much bigger i.e. don't waste too much space with the bezel...

" Faster CPU

* Maemo 6

* Make UI components slightly larger. I find text and everything in general a tad small compared to other smartphones/devices. We shouldn't have to squint... Or have a way to alter global font size.

* Multi-touch

* Real SAT NAV pls!

All I want for now. lol

Gadgety 2010-02-06 23:44

Re: What would you realistically like to see in the N920?
 
I'm easy. Just give me:

1. voice dialing through bluetooth headset (no need to touch the phone)

2. a really great PIM with tasks/to do that enables multiple contexts for each task, sorting by date of entry/deadline, search function + has an app for both the phone and the pc or even in the cloud so that all data backed up.

3. Real sat nav.

4. I forgot - paint that chrome bezel around the camera.

All other upgrades are nice to have, but not essential to me.

hihai411 2010-02-06 23:46

Re: What would you realistically like to see in the N920?
 
stronger hardware in all the basics like ram, proc etc..

4.0 inch oled multi touch cap screen with qwerty keyboard
more front screen hardware buttons
fm transmitter, fm radio
8.0 megapix cam, HDMI out, 720p vid recording.
GPS with free ovi maps turn by turn voice nav

zwer 2010-02-06 23:59

Re: What would you realistically like to see in the N920?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Gadgety (Post 513770)
3. Real sat nav.

And what would a `real sat nav` be? N900 has quite a real GPS receiver in it (and with good enough resolution considering the power consumption and size that is needed for mobile devices), augmented with cell towers (or as they call it assisted) for a quicker lock-on (without waiting for it to grab 4 stable signals + one backup which takes time and wastes the battery).

Quote:

Originally Posted by hihai411 (Post 513774)
4.0 inch oled multi touch cap screen with qwerty keyboard

Let me get this straight. You want a screen that is virtually unreadable in sunlight, its power consumption varies in dependence of how vivid the picture is it has to show (it beats LCD in power consumption only with darker themes) and has a lower lifetime, while its touchscreen has a horrible precision (specially when used with high-resolution display), consumes 10 times more power to register touch, and can be used only by your bare, fat fingers (or nose)? Talk about devolution...

Gadgety 2010-02-07 00:09

Re: What would you realistically like to see in the N920?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by zwer (Post 513785)
And what would a `real sat nav` be? N900 has quite a real GPS receiver in it (and with good enough resolution considering the power consumption and size that is needed for mobile devices), augmented with cell towers (or as they call it assisted) for a quicker lock-on (without waiting for it to grab 4 stable signals + one backup which takes time and wastes the battery).

I was imprecise in my statement. Unreal sat nav:
free Ovi Maps 3.03.

ed00 2010-02-07 01:09

Re: What would you realistically like to see in the N920?
 
i want N920 to be N900 with battery that run 20+ hours ))

UNderworld 2010-02-07 03:09

Re: What would you realistically like to see in the N920?
 
I just want it to have the best specs of all the phones...
Capacitive screen with multi touch
1ghz processor with separate graphics processor
make use of the unused space behind the screen of the n900 and add another row of keys.. or maybe 2.... and spacebar in the middle
at least 4 soft keys / hard keys to fill up the space on the right or fill it up with a bigger screen
noise deadening mike - like on the nexus
Nokia Nseries engraved at the back in BIG
the screen could tilt instead of having that support near the camera
better charging port...better speakers...better back cover... better battery life (not that important if the back cover is smooth to take off.. We can always carry a spare one)
slimmer, magnetic stylus ...
and also the back of the screen (when opened) should be smooth and tidy...
I know, im asking for too much... i should take it easy...:D

bxbomber 2010-02-07 17:46

Re: What would you realistically like to see in the N920?
 
My wish list,
maemo 6 :)
Full ovimaps with turn by turn directions.
4.3inch screen like the htc hd2 amoled screen
Multitouch capacitive with optional capacitive stylus (kinda like the htd hd2)
4 row keyboard like the touchpro2 or n810.

NokiaRocks 2010-02-07 18:06

Re: What would you realistically like to see in the N920?
 
Turn by Turn Navigation.


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