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-   -   Im tired of people claiming other people got faulty phones. (https://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=36254)

radiowc 2009-12-09 16:33
Re: Im tired of people claiming other people got faulty phones.
 
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Originally Posted by Laughingstok (Post 419128)
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In the end, the actual percentage to reality is probably right around 4 - 6% which is a pretty common "lemon" percentage in any manufacturing.
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Just keep in mind, the minority speaks the loudest, and when the "minority" on this forum is only 20% thereabouts, then I just laugh because that doesnt take into account all the people walking around talking on their Nokias and doing day-to-day activities with them with zero problems.
Well, always that case,... just because a few of them reports or have bad experience, it always make it like the entire N900 have problem compare to thousands or even millions are now enjoying their new toy ;)

Megacrazy 2009-12-09 16:34
Re: Im tired of people claiming other people got faulty phones.
 
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Originally Posted by Laughingstok (Post 419128)
No, the polls state what people on this board are experiencing. A large majority of them are not having trouble.

Then you tack on the fact that people who ARE having trouble WILL seek out a solution forum, this being the primary one, you WILL have a higher percentage of troubled folks on this forum.

In the end, the actual percentage to reality is probably right around 4 - 6% which is a pretty common "lemon" percentage in any manufacturing.

Not worth arguing reality with you folks. You guys have a bead on negativity and will do whatever you can to try and make a point. My logic is not flawed and you will just twist whatever I throw out there to try and make it fit your flawed views.

Just keep in mind, the minority speaks the loudest, and when the "minority" on this forum is only 20% thereabouts, then I just laugh because that doesnt take into account all the people walking around talking on their Nokias and doing day-to-day activities with them with zero problems.

I know all this because I also frequent a Jeep forum. People only visit "tech" forums when they have a problem or they're guru's.

That means almost everyone here either A) Is a guru, or B) has a problem.
You're right but your logic is far from sound.

What if somebody here is a guru AND has a problem...I guess your whole argument goes out the window :)

Either way, I think the original point of this thread was that people on this forum have a binary thinking process: If the N900 is not perfect, it must be the user doing something wrong. That is simply not the case. You have to get used to the idea that something you enjoy using doesn't have to be perfect. This phone isn't....In fact it's far from it. No point in arguing any further.

That One Guy 2009-12-09 16:36
Re: Im tired of people claiming other people got faulty phones.
 
I too got a faulty phone!

It keeps hanging when I tell it to do my laundry! :D

Laughingstok 2009-12-09 16:41
Re: Im tired of people claiming other people got faulty phones.
 
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Originally Posted by Megacrazy (Post 419145)
You're right but your logic is far from sound.

What if somebody here is a guru AND has a problem...I guess your whole argument goes out the window :)

Either way, I think the original point of this thread was that people on this forum have a binary thinking process: If the N900 is not perfect, it must be the user doing something wrong. That is simply not the case. You have to get used to the idea that something you enjoy using doesn't have to be perfect. This phone isn't....In fact it's far from it. No point in arguing any further.
Negative ghost rider. I do not have that thinking progress. I actually have a "balanced" view.

For example, do I find it annoying that I can't set a particular ring tone to a particular individual?

Yes.

Did I think it was weird when my Nokia didn't charge one time until I pulled the keyboard out to activate the screen?

Yes.

Do those issues PALE in comparison to the fact that I can VPN into my workplace, ssh to my servers and control over 800+ stores point-of-sale systems?

ABSOLUTELY.

So in the end the minor annoyances of the Nokia that others may consider life-shattering are, to me, not utilizing the Nokia to to the fullest, OR (which is most likely the case) do NOT really NEED it. They just WANTED it because it was pretty and yet have no clue about its true powers.

So in the end, I can't say I feel too sorry for them. A Lincoln town car is comfortable, smooth and will get you around town. This is what most people need.

I need a formula-1 race car without all the comforts, but the performance.

Megacrazy 2009-12-09 16:49
Re: Im tired of people claiming other people got faulty phones.
 
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Originally Posted by Laughingstok (Post 419154)
Negative ghost rider. I do not have that thinking progress. I actually have a "balanced" view.

For example, do I find it annoying that I can't set a particular ring tone to a particular individual?

Yes.

Did I think it was weird when my Nokia didn't charge one time until I pulled the keyboard out to activate the screen?

Yes.

Do those issues PALE in comparison to the fact that I can VPN into my workplace, ssh to my servers and control over 800+ stores point-of-sale systems?

ABSOLUTELY.

So in the end the minor annoyances of the Nokia that others may consider life-shattering are, to me, not utilizing the Nokia to to the fullest, OR (which is most likely the case) do NOT really NEED it. They just WANTED it because it was pretty and yet have no clue about its true powers.

So in the end, I can't say I feel too sorry for them. A Lincoln town car is comfortable, smooth and will get you around town. This is what most people need.

I need a formula-1 race car without all the comforts, but the performance.
Which is why I continue using the phone as well.

BUT, you have to realize that if we all here want Maemo to succeed, we have to know what there is to improve. Success of a device is not based on a few power users being happy with it. You need a polished device that is able to compete with every phone out there in every department.

The second a user complains about the email being too slow, that becomes a problem that needs to be addressed. There is little point in dismissing it as user error, saying how it does so many other things better. If you ignore the problem another device will come along that will fix the problem and you can say bye bye to your market share...which is exactly what's happening to Nokia right now.

Also, having a balanced view means you can praise and criticize the device at the same time. The only view you have is how it does so many things well in comparison to the things that are broken. That's called bias. You chose to ignore the negative points because of the positive points.

That One Guy 2009-12-09 16:52
Re: Im tired of people claiming other people got faulty phones.
 
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Originally Posted by Laughingstok (Post 419154)
I need a formula-1 race car without all the comforts, but the performance.

CL65 AMG. Not quite an F1, but damned close. :D

Laughingstok 2009-12-09 16:53
Re: Im tired of people claiming other people got faulty phones.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Megacrazy (Post 419171)
Success of a device is not based on a few power users being happy with it.
I stopped reading there. You can't seem to get through your head that the actual reality of people with problems is even LOWER than the polls on this forum show. The MINORITY are the ones with the problems.

"a few power users" is where you keep going back to, so I won't even bother reading until you can admit that the actual number of people with real problems is much lower.

That One Guy 2009-12-09 16:58
Re: Im tired of people claiming other people got faulty phones.
 
Agreed. The internet has given a lot of products a bad name. Why? Simple. People whose products work as advertised (or close to it), don't go online and tell the world "Hey, my product works well!"... in most cases.

However, people with problems (or dare I say, even some with few problems, but whiny), will plaster their negative experience with a product everywhere.

It's a man made product. Man (as much as he would like to think otherwise), it not perfect. Therefore, nothing man makes will ever be perfect. You're bound to have some imperfections in the product(s) he makes.

Rushmore 2009-12-09 17:10
Re: Im tired of people claiming other people got faulty phones.
 
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Originally Posted by theflew (Post 419033)
The N900 has more features than the iPhone and Android did when they first came out and more applications. So, that means Apple and the Android manufactures were worse than Nokia by your logic.
That is true if we count the ones that the average user should not use on the non default repositories. Apps from the default perspective are less and lower rate of release than Android. No comparison really and never will be. A lot more devs and a market being pushed by Google helped accelerate the Android market. Sure, less than 5% are worth having, but that is still hundreds of worthy apps.

Maemo will probably never be an app haven at that level, but my guess is the quality ratio will be better with Maemo.

Brunorange 2009-12-09 17:27
Re: Im tired of people claiming other people got faulty phones.
 
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Hahah sure thing:

1. 36 people are thrilled with the phone. Completely blows my mind

2. 13% of the units are bricked...which has nothing to do with anything.

3. 30% of people are having some sort of issues with the N900, which is HUGE.

4. 20% have microphone hardware issues, again which is a huge failure rate.

Now, you argue with this: "554 bugs found". Go to bugs.maemo.org and do a search for the N900.

Let me guess, they'll all be fixed in the next update, along with portrait mode, graphics acceleration for the browser etc etc....
You are wrong and Megacrazy! (but I guess its in the eyes of the beholder...) :-P

1. 36 people answered the poll with Im thrilled. now 39... over 81% is thrilled or think its very good... (Only 80-ish people answered) and only 6 people or under 10% dislike or hate it...

2. and you say 13% are bricked... That is wrong... the poll stated that under 13% were FAULTY/bricked (bad poll to only give 1 option for faulty or bricked... but still)

3. "30% of people are having some sort of issues" ah its under 25% (rest are high expectations...) and again fewer people answered this poll than the one with under 13% have faulty/bricked... so...

4. Only 42 answered this one and if you just look at the numbers it would actually seem that more are having issues with mic than not so I dont know how accurate this poll is...

@the bugs report... I think that if you were able to see all the iPhone, winmo or android phone bugs you would find just as many... But just to have a bug report system is a great thing I think... :)


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